Spoiler Alert
We all know Jorge sacrificed himself to destroy a Covenant Corvette and Supercarrier above Reach. After playing the campaign a 3rd time for a throwback, I noticed he didn’t have to die. Unless there was another way to arm the nuke, there was an alternative.
After driving a Hornet into a shield (stupid move) and waiting 48 hours for reinforcements, I don’t understand. Which begs the better question. Was defending Reach pointless?
No, defending reach wasn’t pointless,if they didn’t defend reach,cortana would never had been made so they probably would have lost halo 1,2,3,4,and 5
If reach wasnt defended then we wouldnt have had chief kick off halo ce and also the covenent supercarrier/corvette would’ve glassed the planet (even though they still did) cortana’s AI and chief would’ve been non existent
Well, Jorge said himself that the Pelican’s thrusters got damaged during battle, with no way to repair them, and the bomb’s timer got fried, leaving Jorge with no other option but to sacrifice himself. And sacrificing because the Corvette was in position with not enough time to repair the timer. The good news is that he destroyed a super-carrier, something that must be expensive and time-consuming to build. The bad news, 3 more super-carriers appeared after the bomb detonated. So, yes Jorge’s death was in vain, unfortunately. He was the tough cool guy, he should have died later IMO. Reach might have fallen, but humanity still managed to win thanks to John-117. But was John-117 the only one who turned the tide? No, Noble Six did it as well. If it wasn’t for Six, the Pillar of Autumn would be destroyed with Chief in it. So, the Covenant would then somehow activate the rings, every sentient being in the galaxy that contain a nervous system within a radius of 25.000 light-years (25 000 000 000 000 000 000 km) would die, then the other Halos would also activate and do the same thing, then millions of years later, the worlds will be repopulated with the life they had before the rings fired.
But…
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> After driving a Hornet into a shield (stupid move) and waiting 48 hours for reinforcements, I don’t understand. Which begs the better question. Was defending Reach pointless?
Hornet? Shield? Waiting reinforcements for 48 hours? I don’t understand what you’re saying or what you want to say. In the entire Reach campaign there wasn’t a single Hornet, so where did you get Hornet from?
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> Well, Jorge said himself that the Pelican’s thrusters got damaged during battle, with no way to repair them, and the bomb’s timer got fried, leaving Jorge with no other option but to sacrifice himself. And sacrificing because the Corvette was in position with not enough time to repair the timer. The good news is that he destroyed a super-carrier, something that must be expensive and time-consuming to build. The bad news, 3 more super-carriers appeared after the bomb detonated. So, yes Jorge’s death was in vain, unfortunately. He was the tough cool guy, he should have died later IMO. Reach might have fallen, but humanity still managed to win thanks to John-117. But was John-117 the only one who turned the tide? No, Noble Six did it as well. If it wasn’t for Six, the Pillar of Autumn would be destroyed with Chief in it. So, the Covenant would then somehow activate the rings, every sentient being in the galaxy that contain a nervous system within a radius of 25.000 light-years (25 000 000 000 000 000 000 km) would die, then the other Halos would also activate and do the same thing, then millions of years later, the worlds will be repopulated with the life they had before the rings fired.
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> > After driving a Hornet into a shield (stupid move) and waiting 48 hours for reinforcements, I don’t understand. Which begs the better question. Was defending Reach pointless?
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> Hornet? Shield? Waiting reinforcements for 48 hours? I don’t understand what you’re saying or what you want to say. In the entire Reach campaign there wasn’t a single Hornet, so where did you get Hornet from?
A UNSC VTOL ship, the Hornet. In mission “Tip of The Spear” Noble attempts to disarm a Covenant Spire. Instead of lowering Noble operatives nearby, the pilot drives straight into the Spire’s shield causing system failure, resulting in an unessecary crash.
The irony is that they told them, “your flying the rest of the way” yeah didn’t work out… at all.
After this mission a cutscene plays, where they’re debriefing for a counter-offensive. Cat-230 and Carter-259 explain they’re sitting ducks for 48 hours. That’s how long it’d take Spartan reinforcements to respond. Not imminently fast enough, as the Covenant had already won Reach.
Btw, Jorge could’ve been an OG and used the force to mind-trick an Elite to detonating it. Jk, not Star Wars but yeah… I feel like that could’ve played out differently. They glassed the living **** out of Reach
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> > Well, Jorge said himself that the Pelican’s thrusters got damaged during battle, with no way to repair them, and the bomb’s timer got fried, leaving Jorge with no other option but to sacrifice himself. And sacrificing because the Corvette was in position with not enough time to repair the timer. The good news is that he destroyed a super-carrier, something that must be expensive and time-consuming to build. The bad news, 3 more super-carriers appeared after the bomb detonated. So, yes Jorge’s death was in vain, unfortunately. He was the tough cool guy, he should have died later IMO. Reach might have fallen, but humanity still managed to win thanks to John-117. But was John-117 the only one who turned the tide? No, Noble Six did it as well. If it wasn’t for Six, the Pillar of Autumn would be destroyed with Chief in it. So, the Covenant would then somehow activate the rings, every sentient being in the galaxy that contain a nervous system within a radius of 25.000 light-years (25 000 000 000 000 000 000 km) would die, then the other Halos would also activate and do the same thing, then millions of years later, the worlds will be repopulated with the life they had before the rings fired.
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> > > After driving a Hornet into a shield (stupid move) and waiting 48 hours for reinforcements, I don’t understand. Which begs the better question. Was defending Reach pointless?
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> > Hornet? Shield? Waiting reinforcements for 48 hours? I don’t understand what you’re saying or what you want to say. In the entire Reach campaign there wasn’t a single Hornet, so where did you get Hornet from?
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> A UNSC VTOL ship, the Hornet. In mission “Tip of The Spear” Noble attempts to disarm a Covenant Spire. Instead of lowering Noble operatives nearby, the pilot drives straight into the Spire’s shield causing system failure, resulting in an unessecary crash.
> The irony is that they told them, “your flying the rest of the way” yeah didn’t work out… at all.
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> After this mission a cutscene plays, where they’re debriefing for a counter-offensive. Cat-230 and Carter-259 explain they’re sitting ducks for 48 hours. That’s how long it’d take Spartan reinforcements to respond. Not imminently fast enough, as the Covenant had already won Reach.
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> Btw, Jorge could’ve been an OG and used the force to mind-trick an Elite to detonating it. Jk, not Star Wars but yeah… I feel like that could’ve played out differently. They glassed the living **** out of Reach
No that’s not a Hornet. That’s a Falcon. They’re completely different.
If you say so about the 48 hours.
There was no other possible way. As I said:
> Well, Jorge said himself that the Pelican’s thrusters got damaged during battle, with no way to repair them, and the bomb’s timer got fried, leaving Jorge with no other option but to sacrifice himself.
This pretty much says anything. There was no time to think or execute an alternative. It had to be that moment or else Operation: Upper Cut would be in vain. The supper-carrier had to be destroyed, as part of the mission. If they knew that there was another Covenant fleet with 3 more super-carriers, then they might have taken another strategy BEFORE the op. began. I don’t know how it could have turned out in a different way, so Jorge survives, because there is none.
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> No, defending reach wasn’t pointless,if they didn’t defend reach,cortana would never had been made so they probably would have lost halo 1,2,3,4,and 5
There would be none after 1 if we lost it. Due to the fact that the covenant would’ve fired the sacred ring for the great journey. Sorry, I’m just picky lol
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> > A UNSC VTOL ship, the Hornet. In mission “Tip of The Spear” Noble attempts to disarm a Covenant Spire. Instead of lowering Noble operatives nearby, the pilot drives straight into the Spire’s shield causing system failure, resulting in an unessecary crash.
> > The irony is that they told them, “your flying the rest of the way” yeah didn’t work out… at all.
This might be a late response, but, there was no other way of entering the spire on time. It was already planned that the UNSC Grafton, would destroy the spire with a MAC blast, but it’s not awaiting the word of someone, they expect everything to be ready when they get there.
Your missing crucial facts in the Reach campaign in order to understand the events of Reach and why they happened, with time being the one you seem to forget the most. There was no time in these events, it was that or risk of the planet falling sooner, which would minimize the chances of escape of the Pillar of Autumn off the planet.
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> We all know Jorge sacrificed himself to destroy a Covenant Corvette and Supercarrier above Reach. After playing the campaign a 3rd time for a throwback, I noticed he didn’t have to die. Unless there was another way to arm the nuke, there was an alternative.
> After driving a Hornet into a shield (stupid move) and waiting 48 hours for reinforcements, I don’t understand. Which begs the better question. Was defending Reach pointless?
Well in my opinion no one knew that another invasion force would warp in. No one knew it would be in vain. At the time, everyone, including Jorge himself, thought it would end the covenant. Sure, there might have been another alternative. But they didn’t see any other way. It is thanks to Jorge’s sacrifice that Halsey had the chance to evac to her glacier lab, giving her the opportunity to complete Cortana. It is thanks to his sacrifice that Six was able to rescue so many lives in New Alexandria, because it would have taken time to move the corvette into position and deploy troops. Jorge will be remembered as a hero, because the real heroes are the ones who make the ultimate sacrifice for freedom.
Defending Reach wasn’t pointless. Very little good came out of defending Reach but that what did, ensured that mankind would, eventually, win the war
Even if it had meant nothing for the events on Reach, sacrificing one Spartan to destroy a supercarrier is a good trade. It’s the largest ship of the Covenant (I reckon they don’t have too many of those), carries tens of thousands of troops, and houses tons of vehicles/aircraft/spacecraft. The UNSC would take this trade any day of the week.
He didn’t die in vain he just went missing in action 
Jorge didn’t die.
Contrary to calling the device they had a bomb it wasn’t really. It was just a removed slips pace drive.
When they activated it what you saw wasn’t an explosion but instead a slip space bubble that engulfed the center of the carrier that the corvette docked in.
This bubble them jumped the corvette that Jorge was on and the center section of the carrier the corvette docked with to another place in space.
As it stands Jorge has just been adrift in space with a fully stocked corvette(probably still pllenty of covies on board at the time the drive was activated though likely dead after coming in contact with Jorge) and the center section of the carrier that unless sealed itself up, spaced the entire crew, that he could scavenge from.
Defending reach would’ve been hopeless if that supercarrier had been allowed to remain. Definitely not in vain
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> Contrary to calling the device they had a bomb it wasn’t really. It was just a removed slips pace drive.
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> When they activated it what you saw wasn’t an explosion but instead a slip space bubble that engulfed the center of the carrier that the corvette docked in.
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> This bubble them jumped the corvette that Jorge was on and the center section of the carrier the corvette docked with to another place in space.
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> As it stands Jorge has just been adrift in space with a fully stocked corvette(probably still pllenty of covies on board at the time the drive was activated though likely dead after coming in contact with Jorge) and the center section of the carrier that unless sealed itself up, spaced the entire crew, that he could scavenge from.
Ok so first I really liked your argument that he could still be alive but slipspace jumps are way more complex than that and as it was an unattached drive with no calculations made prior to jump I gotta say there is no yoinking way anything in that bubble made it through the slipspace transition in tact which is a bummer as Jorge was the best character in that game
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> Contrary to calling the device they had a bomb it wasn’t really. It was just a removed slips pace drive.
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> When they activated it what you saw wasn’t an explosion but instead a slip space bubble that engulfed the center of the carrier that the corvette docked in.
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> This bubble them jumped the corvette that Jorge was on and the center section of the carrier the corvette docked with to another place in space.
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> As it stands Jorge has just been adrift in space with a fully stocked corvette(probably still pllenty of covies on board at the time the drive was activated though likely dead after coming in contact with Jorge) and the center section of the carrier that unless sealed itself up, spaced the entire crew, that he could scavenge from.
You do realize that Jorge didn’t had his helmet when the bomb went off you know? And yes, it’s a bomb. Half of the Suppercarrier wasn’t teleported to God-knows-where. It was BURNT. Just look at each piece that wasn’t caught by the bomb and you’ll see it BURN.
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> > Contrary to calling the device they had a bomb it wasn’t really. It was just a removed slips pace drive.
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> > When they activated it what you saw wasn’t an explosion but instead a slip space bubble that engulfed the center of the carrier that the corvette docked in.
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> > This bubble them jumped the corvette that Jorge was on and the center section of the carrier the corvette docked with to another place in space.
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> > As it stands Jorge has just been adrift in space with a fully stocked corvette(probably still pllenty of covies on board at the time the drive was activated though likely dead after coming in contact with Jorge) and the center section of the carrier that unless sealed itself up, spaced the entire crew, that he could scavenge from.
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> Ok so first I really liked your argument that he could still be alive but slipspace jumps are way more complex than that and as it was an unattached drive with no calculations made prior to jump I gotta say there is no yoinking way anything in that bubble made it through the slipspace transition in tact which is a bummer as Jorge was the best character in that game
There’s no reason to assume that it wouldn’t have. What they did with the “bomb” was akin to any blind slip space jump according to Cole Protocol. Well aside from the fact that they I itiated it inside of a shop.
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> > Contrary to calling the device they had a bomb it wasn’t really. It was just a removed slips pace drive.
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> > When they activated it what you saw wasn’t an explosion but instead a slip space bubble that engulfed the center of the carrier that the corvette docked in.
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> > This bubble them jumped the corvette that Jorge was on and the center section of the carrier the corvette docked with to another place in space.
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> > As it stands Jorge has just been adrift in space with a fully stocked corvette(probably still pllenty of covies on board at the time the drive was activated though likely dead after coming in contact with Jorge) and the center section of the carrier that unless sealed itself up, spaced the entire crew, that he could scavenge from.
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> You do realize that Jorge didn’t had his helmet when the bomb went off you know? And yes, it’s a bomb. Half of the Suppercarrier wasn’t teleported to God-knows-where. It was BURNT. Just look at each piece that wasn’t caught by the bomb and you’ll see it BURN.
Even if Jorge took his helmet off, between the time that and the “bomb” going off there was plenty of time for him to put it on. But he was in a pressurized atmosphere so that is a none issue.
The burning you’re seeing is from the super carrier being torn apart at the molecular level. Atoms were split and this very process generates a lot of heat which would cause the burning you’re mentioning. On top of that the splitting of the ship would expose various systems like fuel containment and power conduits resulting in secondary explosions. And if you’re talking about after it had crashed on Reach you’re also talking about unaided atmospheric reentry, the heat that generates, as well as damages that occurred on impact.
Also worth noting in that in Kat’s own words it would be teleported to oblivion. Not atomized, not destroyed, but teleported.
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> > > This bubble them jumped the corvette that Jorge was on and the center section of the carrier the corvette docked with to another place in space.
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> > > As it stands Jorge has just been adrift in space with a fully stocked corvette(probably still pllenty of covies on board at the time the drive was activated though likely dead after coming in contact with Jorge) and the center section of the carrier that unless sealed itself up, spaced the entire crew, that he could scavenge from.
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> > Ok so first I really liked your argument that he could still be alive but slipspace jumps are way more complex than that and as it was an unattached drive with no calculations made prior to jump I gotta say there is no yoinking way anything in that bubble made it through the slipspace transition in tact which is a bummer as Jorge was the best character in that game
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> There’s no reason to assume that it wouldn’t have. What they did with the “bomb” was akin to any blind slip space jump according to Cole Protocol. Well aside from the fact that they I itiated it inside of a shop.
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> 1. Even if Jorge took his helmet off, between the time that and the “bomb” going off there was plenty of time for him to put it on. But he was in a pressurized atmosphere so that is a none issue.
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> 2. The burning you’re seeing is from the super carrier being torn apart at the molecular level. Atoms were split and this very process generates a lot of heat which would cause the burning you’re mentioning. On top of that the splitting of the ship would expose various systems like fuel containment and power conduits resulting in secondary explosions. And if you’re talking about after it had crashed on Reach you’re also talking about unaided atmospheric reentry, the heat that generates, as well as damages that occurred on impact.
There was plenty of time, but do you think he really hoped to survive that?
It’s still burning before it enters the atmosphere. I believe it would behave much more differently if it was set to teleport which would make no sense in my book. And Slipspace jumps are imperfect. Even the Covenant had… “fear” (for lack of better word) of using it. They were always advised to do small and quick jumps. If anything, what likely happened is that he was killed during transportation. It’s the moment I’m talking about by the way.3. Why and how is this thread still open? Jorge is 100% KIA, killed by the Slipspace bomb, confirmed by 343 and Bungie a forgeton of times (yet the community refuses to believe just for the sake of not believing), and he is, in no possible way, NOT coming back or alive past Reach. Death is death.
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> > > > Contrary to calling the device they had a bomb it wasn’t really. It was just a removed slips pace drive.
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> > > > When they activated it what you saw wasn’t an explosion but instead a slip space bubble that engulfed the center of the carrier that the corvette docked in.
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> > > > This bubble them jumped the corvette that Jorge was on and the center section of the carrier the corvette docked with to another place in space.
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> > > > As it stands Jorge has just been adrift in space with a fully stocked corvette(probably still pllenty of covies on board at the time the drive was activated though likely dead after coming in contact with Jorge) and the center section of the carrier that unless sealed itself up, spaced the entire crew, that he could scavenge from.
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> > > Ok so first I really liked your argument that he could still be alive but slipspace jumps are way more complex than that and as it was an unattached drive with no calculations made prior to jump I gotta say there is no yoinking way anything in that bubble made it through the slipspace transition in tact which is a bummer as Jorge was the best character in that game
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> > 1. Even if Jorge took his helmet off, between the time that and the “bomb” going off there was plenty of time for him to put it on. But he was in a pressurized atmosphere so that is a none issue.
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> > 2. The burning you’re seeing is from the super carrier being torn apart at the molecular level. Atoms were split and this very process generates a lot of heat which would cause the burning you’re mentioning. On top of that the splitting of the ship would expose various systems like fuel containment and power conduits resulting in secondary explosions. And if you’re talking about after it had crashed on Reach you’re also talking about unaided atmospheric reentry, the heat that generates, as well as damages that occurred on impact.
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> 1. There was plenty of time, but do you think he really hoped to survive that?
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> 2. It’s still burning before it enters the atmosphere. I believe it would behave much more differently if it was set to teleport which would make no sense in my book. And Slipspace jumps are imperfect. Even the Covenant had… “fear” (for lack of better word) of using it. They were always advised to do small and quick jumps. If anything, what likely happened is that he was killed during transportation. It’s the moment I’m talking about by the way.3. Why and how is this thread still open? Jorge is 100% KIA, killed by the Slipspace bomb, confirmed by 343 and Bungie a forgeton of times (yet the community refuses to believe just for the sake of not believing), and he is, in no possible way, NOT coming back or alive past Reach. Death is death.
He would have survived even without his helmet so its a non issue.
I already explained that burning. The atomization that occurred at the event horizon of the slip space bubble that was generated. Same thing happened in Halo 2 when Forward Unto Dawn jumped along the the super carrier that jumped. From New Mombasa. FUD arrived in one piece. And things at the event horizon were cleanly cut in two bringing portions of buildings and cars into space. Unrelated but pulled directly from Macross’ play book.
Not that I’m calling you a liar or anything but I’ve never once seen where Bungie or 343 confirmed Jorge was dead.
Finally remember when John was unewuiiconfirmed to be the last of his kind? The last of the Spartan IIs? On something that doesn’t get much more official then the Halo CE box cover? Now take note of where we’re at with how many Spartan IIs remain.
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> > > > > When they activated it what you saw wasn’t an explosion but instead a slip space bubble that engulfed the center of the carrier that the corvette docked in.
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> > > > > This bubble them jumped the corvette that Jorge was on and the center section of the carrier the corvette docked with to another place in space.
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> > > > > As it stands Jorge has just been adrift in space with a fully stocked corvette(probably still pllenty of covies on board at the time the drive was activated though likely dead after coming in contact with Jorge) and the center section of the carrier that unless sealed itself up, spaced the entire crew, that he could scavenge from.
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> > > > Ok so first I really liked your argument that he could still be alive but slipspace jumps are way more complex than that and as it was an unattached drive with no calculations made prior to jump I gotta say there is no yoinking way anything in that bubble made it through the slipspace transition in tact which is a bummer as Jorge was the best character in that game
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> > 1. There was plenty of time, but do you think he really hoped to survive that?
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> > 2. It’s still burning before it enters the atmosphere. I believe it would behave much more differently if it was set to teleport which would make no sense in my book. And Slipspace jumps are imperfect. Even the Covenant had… “fear” (for lack of better word) of using it. They were always advised to do small and quick jumps. If anything, what likely happened is that he was killed during transportation. It’s the moment I’m talking about by the way.3. Why and how is this thread still open? Jorge is 100% KIA, killed by the Slipspace bomb, confirmed by 343 and Bungie a forgeton of times (yet the community refuses to believe just for the sake of not believing), and he is, in no possible way, NOT coming back or alive past Reach. Death is death.
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> 1. He would have survived even without his helmet so its a non issue.
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> 2. I already explained that burning. The atomization that occurred at the event horizon of the slip space bubble that was generated. Same thing happened in Halo 2 when Forward Unto Dawn jumped along the the super carrier that jumped. From New Mombasa. FUD arrived in one piece. And things at the event horizon were cleanly cut in two bringing portions of buildings and cars into space. Unrelated but pulled directly from Macross’ play book.
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> Not that I’m calling you a liar or anything but I’ve never once seen where Bungie or 343 confirmed Jorge was dead.
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> Finally remember when John was unewuiiconfirmed to be the last of his kind? The last of the Spartan IIs? On something that doesn’t get much more official then the Halo CE box cover? Now take note of where we’re at with how many Spartan IIs remain.
How the heck would he survive in space without a helmet?
It’s a good theory, but…
But he canonically is. If it’s canon, only the devs can change that. Fans can only dream. I wanted him to be alive, but death is death.
I’m sure that was for advertisement. But why wring that up?
