Did 343 ruin Halo?

Games Other Halo
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I already know everyone has their own opinion and I respect that, I’m sure that I’m going to see a few people that respond that go into an ALL CAPS RAGE because of what I say, so I say to those people ahead of time, go somewhere else and cry to someone who cares about you. :slight_smile:

The people who made Halo 4 should be tied naked to un-sanded wooden posts in a public place so that we may throw rotten vegetables at them. I’m not talking about multi-player I’m talking about the horrible, awful, short and confusing campaign. The beginning had me hooked but the more i progressed, the more murky and stupid it got. It seems like 343 literally spent five minutes on the story.

Now I’m talking about the multi-player, if ever there was a halo game that was sucking on COD bandwagons -Yoink-, it would be this one. Match Making is faster, but lag is more prominent, I hate that I am always joining games in progress where I am put on a team that is getting dominated. Oh and has anyone else who is old enough to remember noticed the change in players and their behavior in the game. Shoot and hide, shoot and hide, oops my shields are down go behind the rock and then shoot and hide, shoot and hide and it goes on.

Spartan Ops- Ha what a boring waste of time and a pile of horse -Yoink-.

So that’s what I think, what do you think? Does anyone else develop a pit in their stomach after waiting so long for this game?

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> I already know everyone has their own opinion and I respect that, I’m sure that I’m going to see a few people that respond that go into an ALL CAPS RAGE because of what I say, so I say to those people ahead of time, go somewhere else and cry to someone who cares about you. :slight_smile:
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> The people who made Halo 4 should be tied naked to un-sanded wooden posts in a public place so that we may throw rotten vegetables at them. I’m not talking about multi-player I’m talking about the horrible, awful, short and confusing campaign. The beginning had me hooked but the more i progressed, the more murky and stupid it got. It seems like 343 literally spent five minutes on the story.
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> Now I’m talking about the multi-player, if ever there was a halo game that was sucking on COD bandwagons -Yoink!-, it would be this one. Match Making is faster, but lag is more prominent, I hate that I am always joining games in progress where I am put on a team that is getting dominated. Oh and has anyone else who is old enough to remember noticed the change in players and their behavior in the game. Shoot and hide, shoot and hide, oops my shields are down go behind the rock and then shoot and hide, shoot and hide and it goes on.
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> Spartan Ops- Ha what a boring waste of time and a pile of horse Yoink!.
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> So that’s what I think, what do you think? Does anyone else develop a pit in their stomach after waiting so long for this game?

it bothers me that i’ll always feel the need to buy halo games due to the past successes that were ce - h3 due to my misplaced hope and microsoft and 343 well reap the rewards of something they had no part in

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Halo 4 is my favorite campaign and overall Halo game since CE. But I understand accept other people’s disappointment and criticisms of it as well.

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For multiplayer no 343 didn’t ruin it for me, i was never round for the halo 2 days, played halo 3 for a bit just before halo reach came out so didn’t experience halo 3 to it’s fullest either so i cant really compare it to the others. But in my honest opinion halo 4 does get boring after about 3 games.

I am a lover for the halo story and lore i always had a great connection with it, it always gave me a great sense of imagination, in fact i was obsessed with it and the soundtracks that came a long with it made me obsessed with it even more. I had never appreciated any video game story and music until i played halo. But again in my honest opinion 343 ruined that for me big time. I hated halo 4’s story with a burning passion.

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if anything, Bungie was destroying Halo. it’s a good thing we are seeing some fresh ideas thrown into the mix.

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> if anything, Bungie was destroying Halo. it’s a good thing we are seeing some <mark>fresh ideas</mark> thrown into the mix.

You’re joking right? Please tell me you’re joking. So you’re telling me old and over used ideas that are existent in TOO many FPS games, makes it fresh? 343 have added to the stagnant pool of the FPS genre.

They should be pushing the genre forward, not further adding to the stagnation.

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> > if anything, Bungie was destroying Halo. it’s a good thing we are seeing some <mark>fresh ideas</mark> thrown into the mix.
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> You’re joking right? Please tell me you’re joking. So you’re telling me old and over used ideas that are existent in TOO many FPS games, makes it fresh? 343 have added to the stagnant pool of the FPS genre.
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> They should be pushing the genre forward, not further adding to the stagnation.

these are “fresh ideas” in the Halo universe.

if anything, and flame me for that, blops 2 is pushing the genre forward. you can hate COD all you want, but there are major changes every games regarding classes and you can’t deny it.

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Amen to that maybe they could make a campaign mission dlc like odst was supposed to be and add true classic playlists that work like the halo games that brought us here in the first place(keep the new weapons in them though). What about saber multiplayer or use of the pelican in multiplayer will these ideas get swept under the rug because adding either one could greatly vary the game(these were changes I wanted to see not instant re-spawn and ordinance drops).

Only good additions in my mind was the mantis and a less dingy color scheme.

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> > > if anything, Bungie was destroying Halo. it’s a good thing we are seeing some <mark>fresh ideas</mark> thrown into the mix.
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> > You’re joking right? Please tell me you’re joking. So you’re telling me old and over used ideas that are existent in TOO many FPS games, makes it fresh? 343 have added to the stagnant pool of the FPS genre.
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> > They should be pushing the genre forward, not further adding to the stagnation.
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> these are “fresh ideas” in the Halo universe.
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> if anything, and flame me for that, blops 2 is pushing the genre forward. you can hate COD all you want, but there are major changes every games regarding classes and you can’t deny it.

I don’t hate Call of Duty, I enjoy Call of Duty for what is it and I enjoyed Halo for what it was. However Halo is much too similar to games that were designed to have these additions that they’ve added. Halo was never designed to have these kind of features and the result is a thoughtless zerg fest of power weapons, Rock paper scissor type combat, and less strategy and thought are required now.

The game is decent in some aspects, but this game is beyond frustrating on so many levels, they removed fundamental features that made Halo, Halo and proceeded to replacing these features with ideas that simply don’t work in this type of game.

As I mentioned, just because these ideas are new to Halo does not mean that it makes the game “Fresh” The game has gotten boring very quick, these so called additions to spice up the game has killed it for me and many other players. Before anyone says it, I WOULD be playing Halo 2 if the servers were still Live and I would be playing Halo 3 if the population was strong.

There’s nothing wrong with change, but change in the wrong direction is not the way to go about it, Instead of doing what everyone else is doing, they should be pursuing an experience you can’t get in any other FPS game, they have done the exact opposite.

Expansion upon the Core that Halo 3 had is what they should of done. In their pursuit for more fans, they have effectively pushed away many old fans, I was 10 when Halo 2 came out, I loved that game to bits, I’d kill for an experience like that again, but I’m not going to get it with the way 343 are doing things.

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> if anything, Bungie was destroying Halo. it’s a good thing we are seeing some fresh ideas thrown into the mix.

This

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Well the Story, I don’ t care much about. But the multiplayer (in my opinion) has greatly improved from that last ugly abomination disgusting game. Weapons are improved, Melee system has been improved (THANK GOODNESS), Vehicles are now as weak as was in Halo 1 (Finally), Graphics are amazing, Ordnance so people wouldnt have to fight over power weapons, EVEN the sounds are very satisfying, and etc. The game faster now. This game is better than Reach (fail game) by long shot, better than Halo 3, and probably even Halo 2. Not only its great but reborned.

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> > > > if anything, Bungie was destroying Halo. it’s a good thing we are seeing some <mark>fresh ideas</mark> thrown into the mix.
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> > > You’re joking right? Please tell me you’re joking. So you’re telling me old and over used ideas that are existent in TOO many FPS games, makes it fresh? 343 have added to the stagnant pool of the FPS genre.
> > >
> > > They should be pushing the genre forward, not further adding to the stagnation.
> >
> > these are “fresh ideas” in the Halo universe.
> >
> > if anything, and flame me for that, blops 2 is pushing the genre forward. you can hate COD all you want, but there are major changes every games regarding classes and you can’t deny it.
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> I don’t hate Call of Duty, I enjoy Call of Duty for what is it and I enjoyed Halo for what it was. However Halo is much too similar to games that were designed to have these additions that they’ve added. Halo was never designed to have these kind of features and the result is a thoughtless zerg fest of power weapons, Rock paper scissor type combat, and less strategy and thought are required now.
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> The game is decent in some aspects, but this game is beyond frustrating on so many levels, they removed fundamental features that made Halo, Halo and proceeded to replacing these features with ideas that simply don’t work in this type of game.
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> As I mentioned, just because these ideas are new to Halo does not mean that it makes the game “Fresh” The game has gotten boring very quick, these so called additions to spice up the game has killed it for me and many other players. Before anyone says it, I WOULD be playing Halo 2 if the servers were still Live and I would be playing Halo 3 if the population was strong.
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> There’s nothing wrong with change, but change in the wrong direction is not the way to go about it, Instead of doing what everyone else is doing, the should be pursuing an experience you can’t get in any other FPS game, they have done the exact opposite.

well I can’t argue with that. Halo did used to be an arena shooter.
however, they are mutating it into a more casual, COD-oriented shooter, for the better or worst. whether one likes the idea or not (really, there are good points and bad points too), you can’t deny that it’s a new direction full of <mark>fresh ideas</mark> and content one has not experienced in Halo in the past.

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If by fresh you mean taking COD and making it Halo then yes its fresh.

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They didn’t ruin it but they -Yoinked!- up a lot of things.

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I’m not sure if they’ve quite ‘destroyed’ it yet but they are certainly setting it on the path to sink further into irrelevancy and are pushing Halo into the category of another generic shooter. Halo is a franchise that should be setting market trends, not following them like another mindless sheep in the herd, and it is disappointing to see 343 be so uncreative and unambitious with the franchise. Just about everything H4 does (beyond the story) has been done before, and, in my view, most certainly been done considerably better.

To break it down a bit, from a multiplayer perspective nearly everything ‘new’ H4 brings to Halo is something countless games have been pumping out for half a decade now and are things that have been stale for years now, and from a campaign perspective we have what is probably the shortest and easiest campaign so far, which revolves around repetitive button pushing.

I guess if you’re one of the more ‘sheltered’ Halo players that never really plays any other shooters then H4 is probably quite new and fresh to you though, which is fair enough.

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> > > > > if anything, Bungie was destroying Halo. it’s a good thing we are seeing some <mark>fresh ideas</mark> thrown into the mix.
> > > >
> > > > You’re joking right? Please tell me you’re joking. So you’re telling me old and over used ideas that are existent in TOO many FPS games, makes it fresh? 343 have added to the stagnant pool of the FPS genre.
> > > >
> > > > They should be pushing the genre forward, not further adding to the stagnation.
> > >
> > > these are “fresh ideas” in the Halo universe.
> > >
> > > if anything, and flame me for that, blops 2 is pushing the genre forward. you can hate COD all you want, but there are major changes every games regarding classes and you can’t deny it.
> >
> > I don’t hate Call of Duty, I enjoy Call of Duty for what is it and I enjoyed Halo for what it was. However Halo is much too similar to games that were designed to have these additions that they’ve added. Halo was never designed to have these kind of features and the result is a thoughtless zerg fest of power weapons, Rock paper scissor type combat, and less strategy and thought are required now.
> >
> > The game is decent in some aspects, but this game is beyond frustrating on so many levels, they removed fundamental features that made Halo, Halo and proceeded to replacing these features with ideas that simply don’t work in this type of game.
> >
> > As I mentioned, just because these ideas are new to Halo does not mean that it makes the game “Fresh” The game has gotten boring very quick, these so called additions to spice up the game has killed it for me and many other players. Before anyone says it, I WOULD be playing Halo 2 if the servers were still Live and I would be playing Halo 3 if the population was strong.
> >
> > There’s nothing wrong with change, but change in the wrong direction is not the way to go about it, Instead of doing what everyone else is doing, the should be pursuing an experience you can’t get in any other FPS game, they have done the exact opposite.
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> well I can’t argue with that. Halo did used to be an arena shooter.
> however, they are <mark>mutating it into a more casual, COD-oriented shooter</mark>, for the better or worst. whether one likes the idea or not (really, there are good points and bad points too), you can’t deny that it’s a new direction full of <mark>fresh ideas</mark> and content one has not experienced in Halo in the past.

This is exactly the problem. The game doesn’t need to be made easy and require little to no thought to be a good game. The previous games were more than successful. The Multiplayer of Halo was highly revered for the competitive edge that the game naturally provided, much like Starcraft, that game has millions of players. The game is played at MLG straight from the box, little to no editing is required because the game works so well at any level, Pros can play Pros with no changes, and The lesser skilled can fully enjoy the game with no changes required.

One big sign that the Game is good is when the game can be enjoyed by any kind of player without many things needing to change to effect different demographics.

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> if anything, Bungie was destroying Halo. it’s a good thing we are seeing some fresh ideas thrown into the mix.

Taking ideas from other games and adding them to Halo is not fresh. As far as it being “Fresh” in the “Halo series”, guess what? There is a reason why I choose Halo over CoD, it is because I LIKE the way Halo does things, and I DON’T like the way CoD does them. If I WANTED to play CoD I would’ve -Yoinking!- bought CoD!

Hell if you’re going to copy gameplay features from your major competitors, why do you copy all the BS and either ignore, or screw up the good stuff?

Halo used to be inovative, CoD never was. CoD is the same garbage each title with a new story. The most creative CoD ever went, was adding in a survival mode, something games have had for decades.

If 343 wants to copy somebody, why the hell are they copying the guys making no inovation? That’s like Apple copying Microsoft.

Hell I’m envious of CoD fans, at least they know they’re getting the same core gameplay they’ve come to love. Not us though, 343 has shown that they don’t care about competitive gameplay, they only care about catering to the lowest common denominator, which historically always leads to a subpar game.

Reach was a major disapointment with the randomness which was added in. I stayed with the series because it wasn’t exactly 343’s fault that Bungie screwed up. Halo 4 on the otherhand, unless 343 fixes the majority of these problems with the next TU, I’m leaving the series in search of an actual competitive FPS. The fact that they think large amounts of randomness belong in a Halo game has shown me they aren’t capable designers.

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Bungie didn’t Microsoft (or Microsoft) wanted to make halo more like call of duty to appeal to the main stream audience to make them self more $$$$ so bungie created halo reach which was a failure and then Microsoft blamed bungie for the falure, when in actual fact it was a result of bullying tactics of Microsoft. Moreover the competitive gaming community is now really suffered as a result. It look like Halo 4 will go the same way as reach, as a game cant appeal to the competitive gaming community and mainstream rushing noobs. (the overpowered wepons shows that)

If by some miracle we get a Halo 2 or 3 ranking system the ranked play list should have the new abilities and over powered weapons removed. Scattershot is so stupid, and the botshot as a loadout weapon, WHAT ARE THEY THINKING.

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The joining games in sessions really annoys me when it puts me on the team thats down by 10 or more. Automatic loss. Another thing that bugs me is why can’t a Halo MP have dedicated servers!!! It lags too much on PvP servers. Oh well ;p

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I can’t say that 343 ruined Halo. I mean, story is pretty great, Campaign is enjoyable for me (Except maybe on Legendary, Ugh…) But overall, nothing really wrong with the story itself. Multiplayer naturally needs to take some time to fix some things, though I’d appreciate reverting to the older playlists listing rather than rotating playlists. Or even filter out the settings for Joining in Progress, but eh.

One thing I can’t figure out is, while Halo 4 is being compared to every bit of CoD game out there, how come they don’t compare it to other games? I can pretty much look for at least 5 different games with elements that have been done before CoD that is also used in CoD. Halo 4 is no different, it has many many elements that have been done in earlier games. The thing that differentiates between Halo and other games is how the formula was done.

CoD never was the first shooter game in the genre, so it’s impossible that every little thing implemented in it was never used in games before it. So it also means that it’s impossible for Halo 4 to copy from CoD. If anything, it’s more like it copied off earlier games if we’re going for what Halo 4 did copy.

Frankly speaking, even if they went with the older formula, it’s likely that it won’t work as well here as it did in previous sequels. I mean let’s face it, it’ll just be a plain clone with a different number in the title. Might as well just not buy it and go play the older Halo game if that was the case, no?

But otherwise, the game is very well implemented. 343 took a big leap with Halo 4, it’s definitely a first step into a different route for the franchise.