Did 343 Lie to Us Too Much?

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> The debut trailer for “Halo for Xbox One,” shown at E3 2013, has little resemblance to anything that happens in Halo 5: Guardians. The lonely robed traveler wandering through a desert wasteland never shows up anywhere, even thematically. In fact, your squad is with you the entire way – this is a co-op campaign all the way. Nothing about this scene seems to matter to the main plot, other than the existence of the winged Guardian itself.
> It’s understandable — it’s a tease for something we’d learn more about over the course of two years. Plus, game development is volatile, and stories often change dramatically over the course of production. In this case the pattern continued long into the process, and the Halo 5 that’s been sold to us on television and online is not the Halo 5 you’ll be playing on Xbox One this week.
> The most baffling piece of marketing is the commercial two-pack showing two separate perspectives of the same scene. You may remember Master Chief looking down on a dying Locke, contrasting with an alternate scene that reverses the roles and shows a Locke chastising a wounded John 117. Both scenes end with an implied execution in a ravaged city, whose last standing structure is a monument to Master Chief. Above, UNSC’s Infinity is smoldering in the sky, possibly sinking toward the planet’s surface.
> None of this happens in Halo 5. Not even close.
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> Again, perhaps this shouldn’t be surprising. The Xbox YouTube description for the Master Chief and Spartan Locke ads explain, “The hunt begins Fall 2015 with the release of Halo 5: Guardians, where the truth is never what it seems.” It’s fascinating to think that we’ve been consciously misled, meant to believe something that would later surprise us. It doesn’t make it any less disappointing that the “Hunt the Truth” narrative — from the advertisements to the excellent podcast — have no recognizable significance to Halo 5: Guardians.
> “Now I must save us from you” is not a point of view Locke ever holds in Halo 5, and Master Chief is never cast as a “betrayer.” In hindsight, Locke’s suggestion that John is a destroyer rather than a protector seems unjustifiable to me. Likewise, Master Chief asks Locke, “Was everything you’ve done, everything you’ve compromised, worth it?” as though this is a conflict we’ll ever experience in Halo 5. It’s not.
> -Mitch Dyer, IGN

I’m not quite sure what to think about all of this, do you guys think this too much deceit in an effort to sell the game or if it’s justifiable.

Full article is found at http://m.ign.com/articles/2015/10/26/halo-5s-ads-lied-to-you-2 if you want to read it entirely, I put what I believe the most important parts here

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Does it contain potential spoilers?

The ad campaigns for all of the previous games were thematically different from the games themselves. This is nothing but IGN click bait trying to fuel a fire. All the GAMEPLAY that they’ve shown us is representative of the gameplay we actually are receiving. If that was not the case, then we’d have something to complain about.

P.S. I don’t know that its “Kosher” to bump your own topics. Particularly that quickly.

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> > The debut trailer for “Halo for Xbox One,” shown at E3 2013, has little resemblance to anything that happens in Halo 5: Guardians. The lonely robed traveler wandering through a desert wasteland never shows up anywhere, even thematically. In fact, your squad is with you the entire way – this is a co-op campaign all the way. Nothing about this scene seems to matter to the main plot, other than the existence of the winged Guardian itself.
> > It’s understandable — it’s a tease for something we’d learn more about over the course of two years. Plus, game development is volatile, and stories often change dramatically over the course of production. In this case the pattern continued long into the process, and the Halo 5 that’s been sold to us on television and online is not the Halo 5 you’ll be playing on Xbox One this week.
> > The most baffling piece of marketing is the commercial two-pack showing two separate perspectives of the same scene. You may remember Master Chief looking down on a dying Locke, contrasting with an alternate scene that reverses the roles and shows a Locke chastising a wounded John 117. Both scenes end with an implied execution in a ravaged city, whose last standing structure is a monument to Master Chief. Above, UNSC’s Infinity is smoldering in the sky, possibly sinking toward the planet’s surface.
> > None of this happens in Halo 5. Not even close.
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> > Again, perhaps this shouldn’t be surprising. The Xbox YouTube description for the Master Chief and Spartan Locke ads explain, “The hunt begins Fall 2015 with the release of Halo 5: Guardians, where the truth is never what it seems.” It’s fascinating to think that we’ve been consciously misled, meant to believe something that would later surprise us. It doesn’t make it any less disappointing that the “Hunt the Truth” narrative — from the advertisements to the excellent podcast — have no recognizable significance to Halo 5: Guardians.
> > “Now I must save us from you” is not a point of view Locke ever holds in Halo 5, and Master Chief is never cast as a “betrayer.” In hindsight, Locke’s suggestion that John is a destroyer rather than a protector seems unjustifiable to me. Likewise, Master Chief asks Locke, “Was everything you’ve done, everything you’ve compromised, worth it?” as though this is a conflict we’ll ever experience in Halo 5. It’s not.
> > -Mitch Dyer, IGN
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> I’m not quite sure what to think about all of this, do you guys think this too much deceit in an effort to sell the game or if it’s justifiable.

Sounds like the equivalent of watching ESPN for gaming. More drama added than whats really there. But Halos campaign adverts have almost always been misleading. To be fair, Chief has some personal questions hes not really answering throughout the campaign, and hes kinda leaving you hanging on what hes thinking. I think 343 tried to create a “whats he doing, could he be bad or good” mentality in the game, but didn’t really develop that part of the story enough for it to be as effective. You can see it loosely alluded to that he can go either way, but they don’t do a convincing job of setting up situations where he could truly go AWOL.

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> Does it contain potential spoilers?

If you’re talking about the article then yes it does contain spoilers in the sense it says everything that DOESN’T happen. Nothing that happens in game is in there

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> If you’re talking about the article then yes it does contain spoilers in the sense it says everything that DOESN’T happen. Nothing that happens in game is in there

Ok, then I’ll consider it as a form of spoiler, thanks!

Doesn’t the plot of Halo 5 basically revolve around finding the truth? I haven’t played campaign yet but I’m just assuming.

Halo 3: Had a Brute Chieftain holding the Chief up in the air, with Chief holding a plasma grenade.

Did it happen in game? No

Halo: Reach: Had a Spartan deliver the payload to the Covenant Cruiser after Kat was hit by a banshee strike

Did it happen in game? No

Halo 4: Had the Chief jumping off a cliff fighting several knights, later to be captured by the Didact

Did it happen in game? No

Halo 5’s advertising is nothing new to the previous advertising Halo has had. IGN is making a big deal out of it simply to draw attention to their site (aka click bait). Also IGN are typically stupid in their assessments, hence the phrase “You can’t spell ignorant without ign” originates.

First, game reveal trailers usually have nothing in common with the actual game besides the look and characters in it.
Secondly, marketing is marketing. They showed a conflict/tension between the Chief and Locke and so far that is what is shown in the campaign

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> Halo 3: Had a Brute Chieftain holding the Chief up in the air, with Chief holding a plasma grenade.
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> *Did it happen in game?*No
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> Halo: Reach: Had a Spartan deliver the payload to the Covenant Cruiser after Kat was hit by a banshee strike
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> Did it happen in game? No
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> Halo 4: Had the Chief jumping off a cliff fighting several knights, later to be captured by the Didact
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> Did it happen in game? No
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> Halo 5’s advertising is nothing new to the previous advertising Halo has had. IGN is making a big deal out of it simply to draw attention to their site (aka click bait). Also IGN are typically stupid in their assessments, hence the phrase “You can’t spell ignorant without ign” originates.

Besides the Halo 3 ad which I must admit is pretty misleading, the Reach and 4 ads are still relatively similar to the contents of the actual game. These Halo 5 trailer were hinting at an entirely different story line that is not even close to being in the game. Keep in mind to everyone replying to this I am a self proclaimed Halo fan and I have no intent to bash the game, I just want to know how this makes others feel about the final product and 343

AlaskanWhalers I agree with you but the Ad for Reach was showing you how the previous Noble 6 died… and we were his replacement.

OP, Adverts have always been slightly misleading especially for games, they show you the barest bones of whats going on, sometimes completely tricking you into thinking you know whats going to happen.

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> AlaskanWhalers I agree with you but the Ad for Reach was showing you how the previous Noble 6 died… and we were his replacement.
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> OP, Adverts have always been slightly misleading especially for games, they show you the barest bones of whats going on, sometimes completely tricking you into thinking you know whats going to happen

Yea I understand that but it’s just the tag lines in the trailer like “greatest hunt in video game history” that kinda urk me because that’s going further than suggesting another story that’s calling the game something entirely different.

The story is hardly about Locke hunting Chief

In Halo 3 you do “Finish a Fight.”

However, just how much “Hunting the Truth” do you do in Halo 5? I believe that’s what the OP’s getting at. Even the tag line and themes of the game have been altered from what was expected.

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> In Halo 3 you do “Finish a Fight.”
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> However, just how much “Hunting the Truth” do you do in Halo 5? I believe that’s what the OP’s getting at. Even the tag line and themes of the game have been altered from what was expected.

Yes, thank you. And along with the whole “the greatest hunt in video game history” thing I was just talking about, that tag line was actually put in a GAMEPLAY launch trailer, implying that the game was solely about a hunt, when in reality the hunt is basically nonexistent. I am saddened by this as I was looking forward to that storyline and I hope the actual storyline is good enough

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> Doesn’t the plot of Halo 5 basically revolve around finding the truth? I haven’t played campaign yet but I’mzn just assuming.

That is what you are led to believe.

No, this is not the focus of the game

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They didn’t really lie, they just failed to execute a good story. The massive failure that is Halo 5’s plot should be seen as just that, a poorly written piece of trash but certainly not a lie

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> > > Doesn’t the plot of Halo 5 basically revolve around finding the truth? I haven’t played campaign yet but I’mzn just assuming.
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> Actually huntthetruth is the main theme in the game it isn’t hunt the chief. You were not lied to at all in the advertisements. They picked a theme for the advertisements and continued to advertise that theme without revealing the Real plot and the Real truth of the story. Did they go too far with it? Yes but that doesn’t mean they flat out lied.
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> Advertisement is meant to generate hype nothing more nothing less. When most game companies advertise their advertisement don’t reflect what really happens in the game.
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> Since the hunt the chief theme worked and generated the most hype or hate they stuck with it. This allowed them to hide what was really going on.

Even if this is true there is no excuse for those two trailers where chief was pointing a gun at Locke and about to execute him and then the other one where the roles were switched. That trailer also showed the Infinity in the sky badly damaged and looked as it was about to be destroyed. As far as know nothing even close to that happens