It actually baffles me how short some of the anti-343 crowd’s memories can be here, and how out of touch they actually are. All I’ve seen for the past few weeks has been outcries for clear communication from the developers…but it seems you guys forgot what happened when they actually tried to be open and clear when they launched the game.
Threads opened left and right trying to tear Ske7ch a new one when they tried to communicate, yet I see those same people asking for open communication. Like, you got it once and went ballistic trying to tear the man apart, yet you’re now demanding him to communicate with you again? It almost seems like you people just want more fuel to stoke your toxicity in this forum.
On one hand, it is rather amusing to see the mental gymnastics some of you do to come to your conclusions, it’s also rather tiring to only see the same tired complaints over and over about needing updates whilst we all know the updates are coming since the devs are fresh off vacation. Not to say some criticisms aren’t valid, but Jesus people, put away the pitchforks and stops insulting them constantly and you might be surprised that the devs might actually want to talk back
Maybe they do not talk back, because they have no plan? Or they have nothing to say?
Maybe they know they did some bs? Or their knowledge about all the lies they told?
In this forum you can find the biggest and most hardcore halo fans, who are worried about their franchise. And not without reasons (Halo 4&5, broken MCC for years etc.).
For sure some people went to far and their voices has to be silenced. But most people wemm to asking themselfes, wtf going on here?
As I said, some criticisms are completely valid, I understand worrying about the franchise, this game itself isn’t in the place a lot of people want it to be, I understand. However, attacking the developers on their own forums and going absolutely wild whenever they try to actually communicate with us isn’t going to help. We know the updates are coming and we know forge/co-op is coming.
I just feel people need to control themselves a little better and remember their own past actions as well
anyone who’s played a multiplayer game before has seen this song and dance before. It just feels like it’s taking longer and longer for new games to add what we want. They wanted to release this game a year ago, then they surprise release it in December then spend a month telling everyone they’re on vacation. Doom Eternal was the last game I played that I thought “wow they put everything I wanted in it and more”, I hoped Halo Infinite would be the same.
anyway I’m sure they’ll ‘fix’ it a year from now but how many years are we expected to wait every single time a game comes out before the developers fix it? it’s such a running gag in the gaming world now
People weren’t criticising Ske7ch because of the fact that he communicated with the players.
People (including the gaming press) were criticising Ske7ch because of what he said and how he said it.
Just because people want to see 343 engaging with the fans more often and want to know more about the decisions 343 is making and why doesn’t mean that they will, or should, be happy with literally any communication that they receive, if that were the case we would all be happy to be told “Cluck, cluck gibber gibber my old man’s a mushroom etc.”
Remember 343 said themselves that they knew that there business model “was not going to be inherently satisfying to most of our players” well if you know that what you’re going to do isn’t going to satisfy most of your customers then you need to think ahead for how you’re going to deal with that and win those customers over. Halo Infinite feels very much like 343 rushed it out knowing it wasn’t in the state it should be and without a plan on how they were going to get it where it needs to be and when you do that, you’re gonna get flak from your customers and they’re going to want to believe that you have a plan and that you can be trusted to deliver that plan.
343 hyped up the game like it was going to be the best Halo game ; They stated that players will have millions of customization options on launch.
Come launch we only had less than 40 options, keep in mind, all this armor is in the season pass. Which only contains All of Noble teams armor, via The armor sets / Skins that can’t be customized, Noble Teams armor broken up to expand the season pass, - pieces of there armor are missing just so they can be sold at a later time… NO Armor for the Mark VII Cores, the Mark VII Armor Core is literally the default armor and its main helmet is locked behind a $10.00 Battle pass and level 80 - 90, the helmet was marketed as the main default recruit helmet and given for free in the MCC. Players who refuse to drop money on the game can only sport coatings from the campaign and what is already unlocked. Event armor and coating don’t count cause there weren’t there for launch, even then, you can just buy event items and skip the event pass.
A VAST MAJORITY of the customization is locked behind a Paywall, if were being real, There is actually no armor that is unlocked for “ FREE “ or through just playing the, if you want any armor, you have to buy the Season pass which is $10.00 or buy armor weekly through the Ingame shop… The only unlocks are 2 stances and 3-4 amor coatings which you have to obtain from a $60.00 Dollar Campaign…
343 Industries lack of communication and excuse of being out for the holiday doesnt fly with the community when during the holidays other game developers were in there studios rolling out hot fixes, updates and new content for there games… 343 Industries were even rolling out a couple of updates and the event(s) during the holidays. So they were either lying or they were lying. Keep in mind that during the launch of Infinite, 343 Industries was heavily promoting Esports on Twitter, Discord and Reddit ; They held Esports tournaments over the holidays… Rather they like it or not, they deserve the backlash, especially how they did right with Halo 5 and the Master Chief Collection.
The feedback and complaints on Waypoint are ALL VALID and those defending Halo Infinite are WAY OUTNUMBERED and posting more than those ” complaining."
Halo Content Creators / “ The Forerunner Team “ - those who have been playing the Game since last January 2020, before the flights were launched ; Are just now coming out and stating there complaints, the build they had must of been different from what we got.
Yea I’m not saying people should be happy to just swallow whatever we’re given. My point being, this forum gets toxic, rather easily, and much too frequently. In one hand you have people openly and blatantly attacking the developers for every little thing and then turning around and demanding more communication, almost as if they’re not listening to hear or understand but to just retaliate.
Communication would be great, but given the reaction they get when they do try to do so, I understand why they’ve been mostly silent. I feel if the overall hostility of these forums calmed a bit we would get more communication
I certainly agree with you that the way some people have been voicing their feedback has been overly dramatic or rude and I don’t condone that especially when people get abusive, you can not like what 343 have done or the decisions they’ve made and you can voice that but you don’t have to be abusive about it.
Ultimately though, if you know you’re releasing something that “was not going to be inherently satisfying to most of our players” then you’re not doing yourselves any favours.
Even if 343 had released the perfect Halo game there would still be some people being toxic and criticising them, sadly that’s unavoidable, but they knew what they were releasing was going to piss a lot of their customers off and that’s on them.
And I completely agree, a little bit longer in the studio would have done wonders if it needs work out of the gate. And you definitely hit the nail on the head about the perfect halo game, honestly, some people just want to watch the world burn.
Let’s take the most recent communication. You cannot praise them for doing the bare minimum. They told us they are fixing BTB after they broke it and refused to change out the challenge system that locked challenges into BTB. They are quite literally doing the bare minimum to fix and already broken game.
If I’m remembering it right they said they were going to try to hotfix it because they were going on holiday break and would try to solve the issue after the holidays (Jan-Feb) not that they wouldn’t fix it but that the actual changes wouldn’t roll out until 2022
It doesn’t matter if sketch opened his mouth. Doesn’t matter how people responded to it. What matters is ending corp speak as a whole. Stop with non answers. The half answers. Give us the raw truth. Just say it’s not ready. Just say it’s early access.
Keep FTP for Pc users and let them play each other…
…integrate the campaign and Multiplayer for Xbox users and let us pay the 60/80 dollars for a full game release next year.
I bought an Xbox for the same reason I buy apple products… closed/secure/products and services.
*some of the sentiments in this statement are opinion only but also can be discriminatory towards PC users. However Pc Users is not a protected characteristic - so I down care.
The biggest confusion for me talking about communication and keeping on topic - is saying that this game is free to play when 2/3s of the game is 60 dollars. Storeplussixtydollars = lots of money.
edit: Halo infinite ftp multiplayer
Halo ce/2/3/4/5 were all cheaper to play than Halo infinite.
F does not equal free.
Basically halo fans are been … in infinite. - ftp caters for non halo fans who are being introduced into the series.
The environment here is not bad. After all, this is official territory.
Consumers have the right to evaluate.
Maybe the production team needs to communicate more with customers and show a positive attitude.
When gentle voices are ignored, fierce verbal attacks are inevitable.
I feel it’s not the communication of the developers that are the problem that’s causing the reaction and the negativity. Instead its what’s being said/has been said vs the reality.
So like for example, when sk7ch said in his update about an anti cheat fix and other things, it’s that vagueness thats rubbing people raw right now. Because players were expecting one thing and recieved another, players are bitter and that’s hard to change without meticulously choosing what your communicating.
On the flip side of that, 343 might be doing exactly that, and being intentionally vague as Sean W. Pointed out, 343 clearly does not have a plan post launch, otherwise they would have given us that, thus being intentionally vague to try and portray the image that everything is ok, thus making player more bitter with that exact communication because everything is obviously not.
Interesting, do you think how the CM presented himself might have had anything to do with it, and using the excuse “they need the money”? (All businesses need money,) 343 isn’t special. It sounds like to me that they need to get their own house in order.
Or, how about all the lies 343 told over the years and what was to be expected when the game released?
I agree communication is a two-way street and that that needs to happen, but how do you trust people that lie?
