Dear fans and 343

I am posting this in hopes to achieve some kind of peace with the community and 343.

Update: I am going to try my best to manage and maintain this thread to be a good focused place where we can list real Halo 4 issues and discuss the game and hopefully accomplish something as a community

Okay, now I’ve seen a ton of complaints on the forums about 343 being the devil and the Halo franchise spiraling down into total disaster, however why don’t we all step back, have some patience and let things play out. Yes, I recognize that Halo 4 is not perfect, it is no where near what it could be but at least it has potential, that’s all that matters. Personally, to me, it seems like 343 is very enthusiastic about making this game and future Halos, so lets give them some time to clean up and look at some things.

Common Complaints:

Grenades:

I’ve seen this one a few times and just have to say, I think they did alright regarding nades. The common complaint is that they are overpowered, however I hardly find that to be the case. In actuality they are actually somewhat difficult to come by because you can no longer pick them up off of corpses and in result they have a bit larger blast radius than back in H3. Ultimately I don’t really see how this breaks the game at all (even starting with two stickies isn’t that amazing, because you lose the ability to toss nades around corners because stickies simply do not bounce, this forces one to pick between the noobtackular “stick before I die” perk, or the regular clear the corner usage of grenades). This is just my opinion though, I’d love to hear yours, if u disagree.

Vehicles:

The common complaint again is the overpoweredness of these vehicles. Personally without going into too much detail, I just wanna say that taking down a vehicle is SO much easier than this game than in H3. Back in H3 you basically needed a plasma pistol, power drain, sticky grenades, rocket launcher or lazer to take down a warthog or something. None of those items are items you can start with. Now in Halo 4, you can: start with a plasma pistol and plasma nades, use sprint, and pick up power weapons/ordinance to take down a vehicle. The only time vehicles are annoying to kill tbh are in KoTH 5v5 on Ragnarok(Vahalla), but that is mostly due to the fact that Ragnarok should not be a 5v5 map.

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Yeah…kind of hard to defend 343 on this one, but hey this is probably the first time they have dealt with a game this big(dont quote me on that) and they were bound to mess up. Personally, I expect to be 130 SR WAY before 100% commendations so I figure may as well work on some of those while Im stuck at 70. Inconvenient, yes, but hey it doesn’t stop you from playing with friends or having fun and its just something we gotta deal with.

Rank System:

Common complaint is that it is too quick to get 130, almost comparable to CoD prestige 10 or whatever. While I am deeply disappointed by this fact, it is fixable by a title update, so lets all voice our opinions that they should either change the level system or add a parrell rank system that has a bit of a higher achievable goal. For example they could still keep the 1-130 system as the way u unlock some armors and your specs and loadouts and all, but also add in maybe a military style of ranking to go along with that. So you would get exp that counts towards SR level and either similar or seperate exp that would help raise your military rank. So lets again voice our opinion and hopefully get 343 to update some changes to their ranks!

Competitive Rank System: (lack there of):

To give u some background, I am a very hardcore player. I come from having multiple Halo 3 50s which is what kept me playing Halo 3 so long. Trust me I want this as much as the next guy, but honestly lets wait and see what happens when they finally update in their planned competitive rank system. Yes, I’ve heard about them only making their 1-50 ranks visible on waypoint, but lets wait for them to actually release it like this before we go all willy nilly. Trust me, if they do release it as web based as planned, I along with as many other community members as possible will work on getting them to change it in some way, and that is really all we can do.

Unresponsivness:

Yeah…again 343 isn’t really the biggest community player from what I’ve seen. I’ve rarely seen 343 admin posts or anything like that regarding future news and all. I know there’s like a twitter, but I do think they could release something like the “Bungie Weekly Update” or whatever it was called, letting players know whats up. I think people should realize though that there a ton of network and other problems with the game and they are probably spending alot of time fixing BIG issues (altho these issues might not seem big to you). Hopefully as the game enters a coast stage, we’ll be hearing more from 343 regarding the future and current status of Halo and what they plan to do.

Ultimately by making this thread all I am trying to do is say chill guys. Sometimes a game mechanic might seem broken but alot of the time it might just be because of your playstyle or because you don’t fully think about how it works. Yes Halo is not perfect, 343 is not perfect but lets give them sometime to fix things, and improve rather than bashing them because of all the inconveniences. Just look on the brightside and lets hope for the best!

Also! If you disagree with any of my above opinions, want me to add anything to the list of stuff I talked about, or anything like that, let me know, and I’ll be happy to update whatever or discuss why your wrong or right.

Have a nice day!

Yeah, some people make things look more dramatic then they really are.

Just ignore them and go on with your day.

> Yeah, some people make things look more dramatic then they really are.
>
> Just ignore them and go on with your day.

agreed, it just sucks how so much more could get done if 343 and the community focused on the real problems

> > Yeah, some people make things look more dramatic then they really are.
> >
> > Just ignore them and go on with your day.
>
> agreed, it just sucks how so much more could get done if 343 and the community focused on the real problems

What?
343 is the one ignoring the community.

Oh and by the way, giving 343 some slack right now wouldn’t do us any good at all.
Just look at CoD BO 2, the game was released after Halo 4 and they already had a huge TU. Oh and keep in mind Treyarch is smaller than 343.

CoD BO 2 Title Update:

Made infrastructure and performance improvements to Live Streaming.
Made streaming performance improvements to video playback in CODTV.
Addressed an issue where flight range parameters for airborne vehicles could be deleted in the middle of a match due to a network interruption. This fix resolves the following symptoms reported by the community:
Escort drone flying under the map
Inability to call in the Dragonfire
FHJ-18 weapon level is now increased by destroying Scorestreak vehicles and aircraft.
Care Package/AGR canister exploit has been addressed.
Patched a small map exploit in Aftermath.
Addressed a rare situation that would cause the Emblem Editor menu to overlap other menus.
Balance pass on spawn influencers to improve cases causing non-optimal spawning under certain conditions.
Improved performance for emblem uploads to prevent an occasional hang. If there is an error connecting to servers during an upload, you will now be able to re-try your save.
Emblems and Clan tags will now appear correctly on the Assault Shield when stowed on the back.
Addressed all reported UI error code messages.
Elite Clan Friends list no longer actively sorts players when their status is updated. The player list will refresh after closing and re-opening the tab.
Improved a number of emblem icons in the Emblem Editor.
Junkyard IV reward added to Calling Cards.

https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst155335_Patch-notes-for-title-update-1---for-a-rival.aspx

good post OP. thanked ya

> > > Yeah, some people make things look more dramatic then they really are.
> > >
> > > Just ignore them and go on with your day.
> >
> > agreed, it just sucks how so much more could get done if 343 and the community focused on the real problems
>
> What?
> 343 is the one ignoring the community.

it doesn’t help when people complain about unbroken things is all I am saying. Also, just because 343 doesn’t answer your posts doesn’t mean they aren’t at work doing something fix or improve the game. Hopefully you follow what I’m trying to get at. Lets just hope the lack of customer support is because they are busy :confused:

> good post OP. thanked ya

thanks :slight_smile:

> > > > Yeah, some people make things look more dramatic then they really are.
> > > >
> > > > Just ignore them and go on with your day.
> > >
> > > agreed, it just sucks how so much more could get done if 343 and the community focused on the real problems
> >
> > What?
> > 343 is the one ignoring the community.
>
> it doesn’t help when people complain about unbroken things is all I am saying. Also, just because 343 doesn’t answer your posts doesn’t mean they aren’t at work doing something fix or improve the game. Hopefully you follow what I’m trying to get at. Lets just hope the lack of customer support is because they are busy :confused:

That would be great if they were busy working on major community issues but from the looks of it, they’re not.

> Oh and by the way, giving 343 some slack right now wouldn’t do us any good at all.
> Just look at CoD BO 2, the game was released after Halo 4 and they already had a huge TU. Oh and keep in mind Treyarch is smaller than 343.
>
> https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst155335_Patch-notes-for-title-update-1---for-a-rival.aspx

OH YEAH?! WELL WE HAVE A MAP PACK IN 10 DAYS. More seriously though, I get what you mean, but I think treyarch is just a little more experienced considering this is what, their third? big CoD title. (WaW, BOps and now BOPs2)

I guess being a Halo fan atm is like being a Jets fan…you just gotta stick behind what your a fan of and have some faith

> > Oh and by the way, giving 343 some slack right now wouldn’t do us any good at all.
> > Just look at CoD BO 2, the game was released after Halo 4 and they already had a huge TU. Oh and keep in mind Treyarch is smaller than 343.
> >
> > https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst155335_Patch-notes-for-title-update-1---for-a-rival.aspx
>
> OH YEAH?! WELL WE HAVE A MAP PACK IN 10 DAYS. More seriously though, I get what you mean, but I think treyarch is just a little more experienced considering this is what, their third? big CoD title. (WaW, BOps and now BOPs2)
>
> I guess being a Halo fan atm is like being a Jets fan…you just gotta stick behind what your a fan of and have some faith

Yea but then again Halo 4 is made out of Reach’s engine so it’s not a “new” game at all.

> > > > > Yeah, some people make things look more dramatic then they really are.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just ignore them and go on with your day.
> > > >
> > > > agreed, it just sucks how so much more could get done if 343 and the community focused on the real problems
> > >
> > > What?
> > > 343 is the one ignoring the community.
> >
> > it doesn’t help when people complain about unbroken things is all I am saying. Also, just because 343 doesn’t answer your posts doesn’t mean they aren’t at work doing something fix or improve the game. Hopefully you follow what I’m trying to get at. Lets just hope the lack of customer support is because they are busy :confused:
>
> That would be great if they were busy working on major community issues but from the looks of it, they’re not.

For example?

> > > Oh and by the way, giving 343 some slack right now wouldn’t do us any good at all.
> > > Just look at CoD BO 2, the game was released after Halo 4 and they already had a huge TU. Oh and keep in mind Treyarch is smaller than 343.
> > >
> > > https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst155335_Patch-notes-for-title-update-1---for-a-rival.aspx
> >
> > OH YEAH?! WELL WE HAVE A MAP PACK IN 10 DAYS. More seriously though, I get what you mean, but I think treyarch is just a little more experienced considering this is what, their third? big CoD title. (WaW, BOps and now BOPs2)
> >
> > I guess being a Halo fan atm is like being a Jets fan…you just gotta stick behind what your a fan of and have some faith
>
> Yea but then again Halo 4 is made out of Reach’s engine so it’s not a “new” game at all.

I know very little about making and maintaining a game so I can’t really argue or agree with you there, all I can say is that they are probably new at dealing with a community and game of this magnitude

> > > > > Yeah, some people make things look more dramatic then they really are.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just ignore them and go on with your day.
> > > >
> > > > agreed, it just sucks how so much more could get done if 343 and the community focused on the real problems
> > >
> > > What?
> > > 343 is the one ignoring the community.
> >
> > it doesn’t help when people complain about unbroken things is all I am saying. Also, just because 343 doesn’t answer your posts doesn’t mean they aren’t at work doing something fix or improve the game. Hopefully you follow what I’m trying to get at. Lets just hope the lack of customer support is because they are busy :confused:
>
> That would be great if they were busy working on major community issues but from the looks of it, they’re not.

they tell you what they fixed in every bulletin

> > > > > > Yeah, some people make things look more dramatic then they really are.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just ignore them and go on with your day.
> > > > >
> > > > > agreed, it just sucks how so much more could get done if 343 and the community focused on the real problems
> > > >
> > > > What?
> > > > 343 is the one ignoring the community.
> > >
> > > it doesn’t help when people complain about unbroken things is all I am saying. Also, just because 343 doesn’t answer your posts doesn’t mean they aren’t at work doing something fix or improve the game. Hopefully you follow what I’m trying to get at. Lets just hope the lack of customer support is because they are busy :confused:
> >
> > That would be great if they were busy working on major community issues but from the looks of it, they’re not.
>
> For example?

It’s been 1 month and no major issues have been acknowledged or addressed.
All we got is them telling us to buy their “new” maps.

> > > > > > Yeah, some people make things look more dramatic then they really are.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just ignore them and go on with your day.
> > > > >
> > > > > agreed, it just sucks how so much more could get done if 343 and the community focused on the real problems
> > > >
> > > > What?
> > > > 343 is the one ignoring the community.
> > >
> > > it doesn’t help when people complain about unbroken things is all I am saying. Also, just because 343 doesn’t answer your posts doesn’t mean they aren’t at work doing something fix or improve the game. Hopefully you follow what I’m trying to get at. Lets just hope the lack of customer support is because they are busy :confused:
> >
> > That would be great if they were busy working on major community issues but from the looks of it, they’re not.
>
> they tell you what they fixed in every bulletin

I’ll be straight forward with you, all those “fixes” are not even a huge problem in the game. It’s more like they are working on the issues they can fix in forge.

I’ll give you one prime example 343 is not listening.

The Bolt Shot glitch, it hasn’t been patched and it’s been here since launch and nearly everyone knows about it.

> > > > > > > Yeah, some people make things look more dramatic then they really are.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just ignore them and go on with your day.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > agreed, it just sucks how so much more could get done if 343 and the community focused on the real problems
> > > > >
> > > > > What?
> > > > > 343 is the one ignoring the community.
> > > >
> > > > it doesn’t help when people complain about unbroken things is all I am saying. Also, just because 343 doesn’t answer your posts doesn’t mean they aren’t at work doing something fix or improve the game. Hopefully you follow what I’m trying to get at. Lets just hope the lack of customer support is because they are busy :confused:
> > >
> > > That would be great if they were busy working on major community issues but from the looks of it, they’re not.
> >
> > For example?
>
> It’s been 1 month and no major issues have been acknowledged or addressed.
> All we got is them telling us to buy their “new” maps.

So, I’m guessing the pinned topic of known issues isn’t real then?

They mention all the fixes they push in all the bulletins too. They just aren’t the ones YOU wanted. Let’s be honest, and call it for what it is.

> > > > > > > Yeah, some people make things look more dramatic then they really are.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just ignore them and go on with your day.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > agreed, it just sucks how so much more could get done if 343 and the community focused on the real problems
> > > > >
> > > > > What?
> > > > > 343 is the one ignoring the community.
> > > >
> > > > it doesn’t help when people complain about unbroken things is all I am saying. Also, just because 343 doesn’t answer your posts doesn’t mean they aren’t at work doing something fix or improve the game. Hopefully you follow what I’m trying to get at. Lets just hope the lack of customer support is because they are busy :confused:
> > >
> > > That would be great if they were busy working on major community issues but from the looks of it, they’re not.
> >
> > they tell you what they fixed in every bulletin
>
> I’ll be straight forward with you, all those “fixes” are not even a huge problem in the game. It’s more like they are working on the issues they can fix in forge.
>
> I’ll give you one prime example 343 is not listening.
>
> The Bolt Shot glitch, it hasn’t been patched and it’s been here since launch and nearly everyone knows about it.

i can give you an example that 343 is listening http://blogs.halowaypoint.com/post/2012/12/01/Halo-4-Specializations-Offer-Update.aspx

So many different color’s in OP’s post…

> > > > > > > Yeah, some people make things look more dramatic then they really are.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just ignore them and go on with your day.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > agreed, it just sucks how so much more could get done if 343 and the community focused on the real problems
> > > > >
> > > > > What?
> > > > > 343 is the one ignoring the community.
> > > >
> > > > it doesn’t help when people complain about unbroken things is all I am saying. Also, just because 343 doesn’t answer your posts doesn’t mean they aren’t at work doing something fix or improve the game. Hopefully you follow what I’m trying to get at. Lets just hope the lack of customer support is because they are busy :confused:
> > >
> > > That would be great if they were busy working on major community issues but from the looks of it, they’re not.
> >
> > they tell you what they fixed in every bulletin
>
> I’ll be straight forward with you, all those “fixes” are not even a huge problem in the game. It’s more like they are working on the issues they can fix in forge.
>
> I’ll give you one prime example 343 is not listening.
>
> The Bolt Shot glitch, it hasn’t been patched and it’s been here since launch and nearly everyone knows about it.

this could be because small issues are easier to fix while the big issues may take time