> > > > I agree with OP.
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> > > > I love halo 4, i love how 343 manage to change things but keeping the same style.
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> > > > 343, halo 5 will be epic!
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> > > What style? COD style?
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> > What is wrong with COD?
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> > I am a Halo fan BTW 
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> Nothing is wrong with Call of Duty, however every shooter and their mothers have added features in an attempt to mimic the success of CoD. This leaves the market full of shooters that all feel the same.
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> I can now play CoD and get the same experience as Halo, but with a different coat of paint, and that is a major turnoff.
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> For that reason Halo has joined the endless sea of samey FPS rather than being the unique game it has always been.
So you pop in Black Ops 2, then pop in Halo 4 and get the SAME experience? Really? Seriously? I think you got a different Halo disc than me then…because they don’t play the same…at all.
Exaggerating hater is exaggerating.
> > When you were six you were 10 years to young to play it and now you are just old enough to play Halo.
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> When I was six, I still had the decency to pick up the books of the franchise and invest in the Lore, not sit around and judge other people based on age, opinions and other things online. 
Good day.
I think he means a 6 year old shouldn’t be playing shooters. He’s right btw, where were your parents?
To everyone that claims it’s revisionist history to call Halo 2 perfect and forget about the problems it had at launch… they fixed those, then it was perfect. So the knowledge to make a perfect Halo existed after the Halo 2 TU, why would you go backwards? Shouldn’t Halo 4 have been just as good, at least?
Also - no such thing as using “innovations” from modern gaming. If you copy it, it’s no longer an innovation, it’s copying. I can’t “innovate” the lightbulb, someone else already did. Halo 4 has ZERO NEW FEATURES. There is not one truly new unique feature in Halo 4. To me that’s kinda sad.
> > When you were six you were 10 years to young to play it and now you are just old enough to play Halo.
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> When I was six, I still had the decency to pick up the books of the franchise and invest in the Lore, not sit around and judge other people based on age, opinions and other things online. Good day.
BURN!!! haha ppl need to learn how to accept others opinions and move on…Halo 4 has MANY flaws but I still preffer over any other game out there right now.
in the same boat as you. (though not age wise) Ive been playing since CE as well. Most of the hate i see come from people that are really just asking for 2-3 over again with new guns and maps. AA’s in reach were a fresh new way to liven up the game. As are personnel drops in this game. If you have some clever new way to refresh the series by all means i’d like to hear it. But no one ever has it. They just keep listing halo 2-3 things.
I dislike the BS. (but its hella fun)
I dislike the DMR.
There are other things i don’t like (to name a few no theatre campaign, the severe lack of customization with flood) But i still feel there is more good in halo 4 then bad. The MP did not release perfect just like every other halo. With each TU we get it becomes better just like other halo’s. end rant/ Glad to see positive on the forums too bad OP is getting flamed for enjoying the game.
> > > When you were six you were 10 years to young to play it and now you are just old enough to play Halo.
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> > When I was six, I still had the decency to pick up the books of the franchise and invest in the Lore, not sit around and judge other people based on age, opinions and other things online. Good day.
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> I think he means a 6 year old shouldn’t be playing shooters. He’s right btw, where were your parents?
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> To everyone that claims it’s revisionist history to call Halo 2 perfect and forget about the problems it had at launch… they fixed those, then it was perfect. So the knowledge to make a perfect Halo existed after the Halo 2 TU, why would you go backwards? Shouldn’t Halo 4 have been just as good, at least?
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> Also - no such thing as using “innovations” from modern gaming. If you copy it, it’s no longer an innovation, it’s copying. I can’t “innovate” the lightbulb, someone else already did. Halo 4 has ZERO NEW FEATURES. There is not one truly new unique feature in Halo 4. To me that’s kinda sad.
Many games copy from others. This has been going on for decades. What people do now is take an idea make it basic and add their own spin on it. That in itself is being original because its their idea as a whole. Its like trying to invent something humanity needs. We’ve covered all those bases awhile ago now anything we invent is a “spin off” version just to be more convienent.
As for the age argument its invalid. He’s being respectful of others and losers like that guy are mearly trying to derail his positive look with it which is sad. Lastly i really hate the copy argument. If your just noticing games doing this your either slow or your just using it as a tactic for fuel for your pitiful argument. Half of halo’s mechanics/ ideas came from other games. They wern’t the first to fight ailens in space or have shields as the health system. Halo just got it right.
Whilst I am very happy for people like you who genuinely seem to love Halo 4, and I would never want to take that away from you, I don’t like how you say that half the people who have complaints about the game have never read Halo books, or never played the first Halo.
I started playing Halo from the very first game, I am currently reading the books and I am fascinated by the Halo universe, yet I still have many complaints about Halo 4. And from what I can gather, it seems that most of the people who are disappointed with this game are long time Halo fans who just want the best for Halo, as opposed to people who are very new to the Halo games and just want to whine.
Don’t get me wrong, I love the campaign and I think the soundtrack for Halo 4 is absolutely incredible. But I do think the multiplayer side is very broken and flawed, that’s not to say it can’t be enjoyed, as I still have plenty of fun on it, but in my opinion it is far from the quality that the first 3 games were.
And to those people who are saying the complainers just want Halo 2 and 3 all over again, I’m sorry but you are just completely wrong on that one. I would hate having more of the same with no innovation, but at the same, is less of the same with no innovation any better?
Try not to hate so much on people who dislike Halo 4, you may not agree with them, but the Halo fans who dislike this game really do have their reasons.
> Despite a lot of others that are “bagging” on Halo 4, I love the game. Half these people that don’t like the game seem to have started on Halo 2-3 or Reach and haven’t even seen the full Halo story or have taken time to read the books, but I have and I absolutely love the game you have produced. The story was compelling and the multi-player is fun, there are annoying times sure (BOLTSHOT CAMPERS >:@) but that is because of annoying people, not because the game is “bad” as some say.
Not remotely true, a lot of us fans disliked halo 4, have put up with the changes in reach that were changed in the books. Also Halo 4 story had the worst which is odd because been enjoying the forerunner trilogy books so far. The multi-player is the first halo game where I’m not compelled to want to keep playing all night.
> Many games copy from others. This has been going on for decades. What people do now is take an idea make it basic and add their own spin on it. That in itself is being original because its their idea as a whole. Lastly i really hate the copy argument. If your just noticing games doing this your either slow or your just using it as a tactic for fuel for your pitiful argument. Half of halo’s mechanics/ ideas came from other games. They wern’t the first to fight ailens in space or have shields as the health system. Halo just got it right.
Copying is fine, just don’t claim it’s innovation. Don’t claim that copying makes you original. That’s garbage.
And the difference with previous Halo games using other mechanics and “just getting it right” was that they were the best games on the market. Halo 4 copied and isn’t the best at anything. They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery but Halo 4 is a POOR imitation of Halo and a GOOD imitation of CoD. Who does that flatter?
> Wrong, yet again.
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> I’ve been playing since Halo CE, and millions of others have as well, but the changes Halo 4 made to the franchise are in the opposite direction of Halo CE. In reality, the majority of the people who like this game started with Reach, not 1, 2, or 3. They weren’t there to witness what you should have witnesses - the magic of Halo multiplayer.
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> You are completely backwards in your statements, and a piece of armor is definitely not the only thing missing. Lack of features, lack of classic playlist, and plenty of other things that should have been in the game are not.
He’s not wrong. Plenty who were there all along like it. I don’t think one side outweighs the other in reality, but those who hate H4 are more outspoken. Two of my closest friends and I have all played Halo from the beginning, and we all put this game second only to H2. Everyone has preferences. I never enjoyed H3 as much as prior games because it felt slow-paced (Reach was a pile of crap in my opinion). H4 did a good job of bringing back H2-esque gameplay, while integrating AA’s without stripping them. The game has its flaws, but I personally enjoy it.
Halo 4 is turning into Crysis/CoD
If i wanted to play those I would, I want to play halo and this isn’t halo
> He’s not wrong. Plenty who were there all along like it. I don’t think one side outweighs the other in reality, but those who hate H4 are more outspoken. Two of my closest friends and I have all played Halo from the beginning, and we all put this game second only to H2. Everyone has preferences. I never enjoyed H3 as much as prior games because it felt slow-paced (Reach was a pile of crap in my opinion). H4 did a good job of bringing back H2-esque gameplay, while integrating AA’s without stripping them. The game has its flaws, but I personally enjoy it.
Actually your wrong. Have you not seen the halo forums since release? there’s a lot of hate threads, on top of that 343 have asked personally to try avoid flaming 343i for the mistakes involved with Halo 4, heck even ‘Frank’ himself said they made a lot of mistakes with Halo 4.
Halo 4 was/is nothing like like halo 2, I have frequently played both, heck even went on the pc for laughs before the servers go, there is nothing like halo 4 in there.
> > He’s not wrong. Plenty who were there all along like it. I don’t think one side outweighs the other in reality, but those who hate H4 are more outspoken. Two of my closest friends and I have all played Halo from the beginning, and we all put this game second only to H2. Everyone has preferences. I never enjoyed H3 as much as prior games because it felt slow-paced (Reach was a pile of crap in my opinion). H4 did a good job of bringing back H2-esque gameplay, while integrating AA’s without stripping them. The game has its flaws, but I personally enjoy it.
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> Actually your wrong. Have you not seen the halo forums since release? there’s a lot of hate threads, on top of that 343 have asked personally to try avoid flaming 343i for the mistakes involved with Halo 4, heck even ‘Frank’ himself said they made a lot of mistakes with Halo 4.
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> Halo 4 was/is nothing like like halo 2, I have frequently played both, heck even went on the pc for laughs before the servers go, there is nothing like halo 4 in there.
*You’re… I’m not wrong. An opinion can’t be. The vocal minority does not mean the game is bad. Frankly I think it’s about half and half as far as so called “veterans” take on the game. I know a LOT of people I’ve played in various games who seem to see it the same way I do. The overall pace of this game is a lot like H2 to me. Do you not remember H2 or H3 on the forums when they were released? Both were destroyed by criticism as well. After the -Yoink!- of a game released by BUNGIE known as Reach they were in a tough spot. They couldn’t just get rid of AA’s and other new aspects without backlash, but they also had to try to appease those who didn’t like those additions (myself included). This game is far from perfect, but it’s also far from the atrocity people like to present it as.
> *You’re… I’m not wrong. An opinion can’t be. The vocal minority does not mean the game is bad. Frankly I think it’s about half and half as far as so called “veterans” take on the game. I know a LOT of people I’ve played in various games who seem to see it the same way I do. The overall pace of this game is a lot like H2 to me. Do you not remember H2 or H3 on the forums when they were released? Both were destroyed by criticism as well. After the -Yoink!- of a game released by BUNGIE known as Reach they were in a tough spot. They couldn’t just get rid of AA’s and other new aspects without backlash, but they also had to try to appease those who didn’t like those additions (myself included). This game is far from perfect, but it’s also far from the atrocity people like to present it as.
Sounds to me like your in denial. The main vocal minority believe it’s bad for a reason. I have a degree in games design, I can tell you from my ‘professional’ point of view that’s it bad, the games designers themselves think it’s bad.
The Halo forums have never been as bad when h2/h3 came out. Reach/H4 was the turning point where most people complained. To this day I hardly have ever seen anyone slag off halo 2 or 3. The problem is Bungie seemed to like AA while most people hated them so try to accomodate to the people that liked them.
The problem is this game need’s to be critised as much as possible or 343i will never know where to take the next halo title, at the moment there having a hard time trying to sort out spartan ops to be less reycled while trying to tweak the multiplayer.
You’re a 130 in a game you apparently think is garbage. Who’s in denial? I honestly like this game a hell of a lot more than I liked H3. It’s fun, and can be competitive. Throwdown is a very competitive playlist if you’re against decent opponents. I’m baffled by how much people hate on 343 without realizing it was their beloved Bungie who crapped on the game and changed its direction in Reach. The game still isn’t as competitive before, but it’s a step in the right direction after Reach led the series astray.
> You’re a 130 in a game you apparently think is garbage. Who’s in denial?
Funny you mentioned that…Ask me how many hours I have put into that game compared to any other game…Also I have 90,000 gamerscore with a lot of games I like/dislike but does that make them better? Ps I’m a completionist and well since halo 4 was all about the mindless grind then I decided it was the things I had felt ‘forced’ to complete.
> Wrong, yet again.
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> I’ve been playing since Halo CE, and millions of others have as well, but the changes Halo 4 made to the franchise are in the opposite direction of Halo CE. In reality, the majority of the people who like this game started with Reach, not 1, 2, or 3. They weren’t there to witness what you should have witnesses - the magic of Halo multiplayer.
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> You are completely backwards in your statements, and a piece of armor is definitely not the only thing missing. Lack of features, lack of classic playlist, and plenty of other things that should have been in the game are not.
I agree with you in some areas. Halo 3 got vehicle combat perfectly. The introduction of Missile launches and Spartan lasers was an amazing innovation for Halo gameplay. The fact that you can re-spawn with a plasma pistol means that good vehicle combat is ruined. 343 got the vehicle damage perfect and damage received almost perfect, they just destroyed it with that little annoyance. The sticky launcher in reach and missile launcher in Halo 3 was a much better idea.
I think this game would be incredible with a fine tuned loadout system (less options and more balance), removal of AA’s and make them powerful and spawn on the maps and reintroduce static weapon spawns. IF they want to keep personal ordinance, make it not random but allow the player to customize it like COD in the loadouts, make the weapons mid-tier power weapons only and AA’s.
Wow, this thread went on a lot longer then expected. I’m glad everyone’s giving their input and opinions, but remember to keep it nice. We’re all mature people in here aren’t we?<–(That’s a bold statement with no proof to back it up.)
> Also, Infection disappearing is kind of depressing, but hopefully it will be released in a title update, or in Halo 5.
Flood?
> > Also, Infection disappearing is kind of depressing, but hopefully it will be released in a title update, or in Halo 5.
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> Flood?
I love flood, but it doesn’t have as many options as original infection did. Great game type though.