So I just played a few games of Halo 3 TS, then I played this game:
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStatsHalo3.aspx?gameid=1905477230&player=I%20Subtle%20I
Now don’t get me wrong, I love the 1-50 system (H4 needs 1-50 in order to succeed where Reach failed. The game won’t have longevity without a 1-50 style ranking system) but in H3 there was no punishment for these people. Sure you may say “sometimes they get banned” but to be honest, in the grand scheme of things, a very small proportion of de-rankers and boosters ever felt the taste of the banhammer.
De-rankers and boosters are also one of the main reasons why people are against a 1-50 system… so (hopefully) when 343i decide to put 1-50 into H4 they will actually have a system in place that bans people who are obviously de-ranking/boosting.
We nearly won this game even with a de-ranker on our team (no thanks to either of my team-mates), but the annoying thing is that “KrunKed” is going to ruin every game he goes into until he’s satisfied with how much he’s de-ranked… that’s a lot of people he’s ruining the game for.
TL;DR Halo 4 needs to have 1-50 (or similar), and a punishment for de-rankers/boosters.
see the problem is that if you ban someone you wont know whether they are boosters or not so what i think is what MS did is make it so you can only make 3-5 new accounts a year to be allowed to play ranked of Halo so that could stop the bs because no way does someone make 5 new account for Halo 3 and its not because they got bored with the last one. 5 is leaniant enough. you will still be able to play social and what not but you would have to by a whole new xbox to play ranked.
> see the problem is that if you ban someone you wont know whether they are boosters or not so what i think is what MS did is make it so you can only make 3-5 new accounts a year to be allowed to play ranked of Halo so that could stop the bs because no way does someone make 5 new account for Halo 3 and its not because they got bored with the last one. 5 is leaniant enough. you will still be able to play social and what not but you would have to by a whole new xbox to play ranked.
You honestly don’t think MS/343 know someone is boosting if they go -15 for 20 games in a row? It’s so obvious… they could easily design a flawless algorithm that would automatically ban people who do it.
> > see the problem is that if you ban someone you wont know whether they are boosters or not so what i think is what MS did is make it so you can only make 3-5 new accounts a year to be allowed to play ranked of Halo so that could stop the bs because no way does someone make 5 new account for Halo 3 and its not because they got bored with the last one. 5 is leaniant enough. you will still be able to play social and what not but you would have to by a whole new xbox to play ranked.
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> You honestly don’t think MS/343 know someone is boosting if they go -15 for 20 games in a row? It’s so obvious… they could easily design a flawless algorithm that would automatically ban people who do it.
New person gets on and just happens to be good at the game right away. and then you ban them? ya not a smart idea. unless you know 100% that guy is a booster you cannot risk wrongfully banning someone. look at reach. it has wrongfully banned 1000s with flaws in its system. you cant rely on a banhammer to solve your every problem wit hthe game and ruin it for someone else because they made a flaw with it.
> > > see the problem is that if you ban someone you wont know whether they are boosters or not so what i think is what MS did is make it so you can only make 3-5 new accounts a year to be allowed to play ranked of Halo so that could stop the bs because no way does someone make 5 new account for Halo 3 and its not because they got bored with the last one. 5 is leaniant enough. you will still be able to play social and what not but you would have to by a whole new xbox to play ranked.
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> > You honestly don’t think MS/343 know someone is boosting if they go -15 for 20 games in a row? It’s so obvious… they could easily design a flawless algorithm that would automatically ban people who do it.
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> New person gets on and just happens to be good at the game right away. and then you ban them? ya not a smart idea. unless you know 100% that guy is a booster you cannot risk wrongfully banning someone. look at reach. it has wrongfully banned 1000s with flaws in its system. you cant rely on a banhammer to solve your every problem wit hthe game and ruin it for someone else because they made a flaw with it.
What are you talking about. I am talking about de-ranking in this case of the algorithm. Boosting also requires two or more people so your analogy is wrong.
> > > > see the problem is that if you ban someone you wont know whether they are boosters or not so what i think is what MS did is make it so you can only make 3-5 new accounts a year to be allowed to play ranked of Halo so that could stop the bs because no way does someone make 5 new account for Halo 3 and its not because they got bored with the last one. 5 is leaniant enough. you will still be able to play social and what not but you would have to by a whole new xbox to play ranked.
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> > > You honestly don’t think MS/343 know someone is boosting if they go -15 for 20 games in a row? It’s so obvious… they could easily design a flawless algorithm that would automatically ban people who do it.
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> > New person gets on and just happens to be good at the game right away. and then you ban them? ya not a smart idea. unless you know 100% that guy is a booster you cannot risk wrongfully banning someone. look at reach. it has wrongfully banned 1000s with flaws in its system. you cant rely on a banhammer to solve your every problem wit hthe game and ruin it for someone else because they made a flaw with it.
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> What are you talking about. I am talking about de-ranking in this case of the algorithm. Boosting also requires two or more people so your analogy is wrong.
your title says boosters and derankers. so get your story straight. as for derankers. dont make them able to go in a match that allows them to go on other team to lose. and if they are purposely losing how though will they know that they are purposely doing it and that it doesnt just happen to be a considence sonome who doesnt know the deranking strategy but is doing that meathod? the formula needs to be change so this cant happen.
> > > > > see the problem is that if you ban someone you wont know whether they are boosters or not so what i think is what MS did is make it so you can only make 3-5 new accounts a year to be allowed to play ranked of Halo so that could stop the bs because no way does someone make 5 new account for Halo 3 and its not because they got bored with the last one. 5 is leaniant enough. you will still be able to play social and what not but you would have to by a whole new xbox to play ranked.
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> > > > You honestly don’t think MS/343 know someone is boosting if they go -15 for 20 games in a row? It’s so obvious… they could easily design a flawless algorithm that would automatically ban people who do it.
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> > > New person gets on and just happens to be good at the game right away. and then you ban them? ya not a smart idea. unless you know 100% that guy is a booster you cannot risk wrongfully banning someone. look at reach. it has wrongfully banned 1000s with flaws in its system. you cant rely on a banhammer to solve your every problem wit hthe game and ruin it for someone else because they made a flaw with it.
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> > What are you talking about. I am talking about de-ranking in this case of the algorithm. Boosting also requires two or more people so your analogy is wrong.
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> your title says boosters and derankers. so get your story straight. as for derankers. dont make them able to go in a match that allows them to go on other team to lose. and if they are purposely losing how though will they know that they are purposely doing it and that it doesnt just happen to be a considence sonome who doesnt know the deranking strategy but is doing that meathod? the formula needs to be change so this cant happen.
People de-rank in order to boost, so that’s where the title came from. Pretty sure if someone loses 20 games in a row and goes at least -10 in all the games then they are de-ranking 100% of the time.
> > > > > > see the problem is that if you ban someone you wont know whether they are boosters or not so what i think is what MS did is make it so you can only make 3-5 new accounts a year to be allowed to play ranked of Halo so that could stop the bs because no way does someone make 5 new account for Halo 3 and its not because they got bored with the last one. 5 is leaniant enough. you will still be able to play social and what not but you would have to by a whole new xbox to play ranked.
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> > > > > You honestly don’t think MS/343 know someone is boosting if they go -15 for 20 games in a row? It’s so obvious… they could easily design a flawless algorithm that would automatically ban people who do it.
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> > > > New person gets on and just happens to be good at the game right away. and then you ban them? ya not a smart idea. unless you know 100% that guy is a booster you cannot risk wrongfully banning someone. look at reach. it has wrongfully banned 1000s with flaws in its system. you cant rely on a banhammer to solve your every problem wit hthe game and ruin it for someone else because they made a flaw with it.
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> > > What are you talking about. I am talking about de-ranking in this case of the algorithm. Boosting also requires two or more people so your analogy is wrong.
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> > your title says boosters and derankers. so get your story straight. as for derankers. dont make them able to go in a match that allows them to go on other team to lose. and if they are purposely losing how though will they know that they are purposely doing it and that it doesnt just happen to be a considence sonome who doesnt know the deranking strategy but is doing that meathod? the formula needs to be change so this cant happen.
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> People de-rank in order to boost, so that’s where the title came from. Pretty sure if someone loses 20 games in a row and goes at least -10 in all the games then they are de-ranking 100% of the time.
na still not a smart move. i use play with my family on halo 3 and sometimes they did bad then id get on and do great and i know if i did that then someone else could be having a good day and a bad day and if it isnt more obvious then doing bad one sec then doing amazing the next its not enough to prove if thats a legit boost. H3 formula was a mess i hope they fix it in H4 so they cant figure this out deranking. also when you say boost im think of the “get a new account and boost” that way when you say it so you got to make it more clear.
You don’t need to ban derankers, you just need to get rid of the incentive to derank. In other words, get rid of the ability to manipulate trueskill through -EXP boosting and derankers will become much less of a problem.
> You don’t need to ban derankers, you just need to get rid of the incentive to derank. In other words, get rid of the ability to manipulate trueskill through -EXP boosting and derankers will become much less of a problem.
This ^^^
It would also help if 343 actually looked at game links provided by people who got deranked on or were the victim of DDoSing. People provided lists of cheaters on bungie.net and nothing was done about it.