Customer Service?

Many of us have had problems (bugs, exploits, frame-rate issues, networking issues, etc.) that haven’t been fixed since Halo 4’s release…

Just to clarify: I am not talking about issues of preference (vehicle placement, weapon tuning, or things of that nature). The Matchmaking section exists for feedback related to those things.

So who would like some good old customer service? The kind of customer service I’m talking about can be anything, whether it’s via telephone line, online chat, email, etc…

The Halo Bulletins and forums are great for discussing new features or adjustments to weapons/vehicles, but such mediums do not seem to be very efficient when it comes to solving problems which affect functionality of the game itself.

What do you think? Could developers and customers benefit from this kind of customer service?

> Customer service–where is it?
>
> Many of us have had problems that haven’t been fixed since Halo 4’s release… Who would like some customer service?

You mean you want customer service like Walmart? 343i, in my opinion, is giving customer service higher than what you get with other game developers.

Go to EA and see what CS you are getting…

Go to Blizzard and see what CS you get with Diablo 3…

EA is the opposite of Customer Service.

It is the Ying to Customer Services Yang

EA actually have a decent CS. It’s live and can help.

343i need the level of CS of something like a help e-mail. Not live. + FAQ’s.

EA might have live customer service, but I assure you you can’t request an ingame feature which is what I imagine OP beleives “customer service” is.

I voted no because its an awful poll

> EA might have live customer service, but I assure you you can’t request an ingame feature which is what I imagine OP beleives “customer service” is.

Being that I provide tech support by occupation, I have some idea as to what customer service is and should look like. That being said, an in-game feature is not what I am talking about. Thank you for the generous assumption of my intelligence… I can assure it’s not so low as you may think.

No, I am talking about something as simple as having telephone support, online chat support, even something as simple as a thoughtful 343 employee responding to issues and giving real updates on the forums. Instead of any of these things we have Forum monitors and Halo Bulletins… These things are nice and in some ways helpful, but neither of these can fix problems with the actual game.

> > EA might have live customer service, but I assure you you can’t request an ingame feature which is what I imagine OP beleives “customer service” is.
>
> Being that I provide tech support by occupation, I have some idea as to what customer service is and should look like. That being said, an in-game feature is not what I am talking about. Thank you for the generous assumption of my intelligence…
>
> No, I am talking about something as simple as having telephone support, online chat support, even something as simple as a thoughtful 343 employee responding to issues and giving real updates on the forums. Instead of any of these things we have Forum monitors and Halo Bulletins… These things are nice and in some ways helpful, but neither of these can fix problems with the actual game.

My post was ambiguous, I did not say you are requesting an in-game feature, I was suggesting that by “problems that haven’t been fixed since Halo 4’s release” you might be referring to in-game feature requests like “Weapon X is OP!”, “Add more vehicles on map Y!”.

Reading this latest reply it appears I might be correct - too little information to tell.

If you want this customer support for questions such as “Can’t log in to Waypoint” and “LASO unlock code won’t work” then I apologise for my initial assumption (aparently about your intelligence - your words).

If however you wish for a customer support service for in-game feature requests then my initial assumption was correct and I stand by my previous post (either way I stand by the part where I said the poll was stupid).

So which is it?

> > > My post was ambiguous, I did not say you are requesting an in-game feature, I was suggesting that by “problems that haven’t been fixed since Halo 4’s release” you might be referring to in-game feature requests like “Weapon X is OP!”, “Add more vehicles on map Y!”.
> > >
> > > Reading this latest reply it appears I might be correct - too little information to tell.
> > >
> > > If you want this customer support for questions such as “Can’t log in to Waypoint” and “LASO unlock code won’t work” then I apologise for my initial assumption (aparently about your intelligence - your words).
> > >
> > > If however you wish for a customer support service for in-game feature requests then my initial assumption was correct and I stand by my previous post (either way I stand by the part where I said the poll was stupid).
> > >
> > > So which is it?
> >
> > Thank you for the apology. And thank you for your kind input.
> >
> > To further clarify, I am talking about neither vehicle placement, nor weapon tuning, nor Waypoint. I am referring to issues with core gameplay mechanics (bugs, exploits, frame-rate issues, networking issues, etc).
> >
> > These are major issues that make the game in many cases un-enjoyable and/or unplayable. I am not referring to issues of preference but rather issues of functionality.

> I am not referring to issues of preference but rather issues of functionality

Fair play, I’m guilty of being very pessimistic reading threads on this forum.

I see “Customer service–where is it?” and auto-translate to “I want a new way to tell 343 that they should change A, B and C to be more competitve”. Apologies once again.

> > I am not referring to issues of preference but rather issues of functionality
>
> Fair play, I’m guilty of being very pessimistic reading threads on this forum.
>
> I see “Customer service–where is it?” and auto-translate to “I want a new way to tell 343 that they should change A, B and C to be more competitve”. Apologies once again.

Thank you for bringing that to my attention. And please accept my apology for lack of clarity and for taking offense. I went ahead and edited the original post for clarity.

I can definitely see the appeal in having something like a help desk staffed with tech support people. It’s always nice to have someone there that can take the time to talk you through a process, and help you to attempt different investigative methods and fixes for your issue.

I don’t know if 343i would be able to do this, as I don’t know how many people they’d need available for it to be effective. From what I can gather based on the types of updates and support Halo 4 has received, 343i doesn’t have any staff members to spare. If they have the budget for it and can get approval for it, then it might be possible for them to hire a different company to provide a dedicated help desk, but I’m not sure that providing such a thing is common practice in the gaming industry. (Why a different company? It’s common for one company to use a second company to provide tech support: it prevents the first company from having to reinvent the wheel, and it allows them to benefit from the second company’s experience.)

So I don’t know the precise reasons why 343i doesn’t offer a dedicated help desk, but I hope the above paragraph can at least provide a small amount of insight.

What I do know is that they have provided a few channels for submitting information on bugs, as well as a few sources of information that can help users gain insight into their problems. I’ve documented these in the spoiler below (based on the categories you listed: bugs/exploits, frame-rate issues, and networking).

Bear in mind that these are somewhat general answers; I’m sorry if you’ve already heard it all before and it’s not helpful.

Bugs and exploits
There are different places to report bugs depending on what sort of bug you’re experiencing.

If it’s something specific to a Matchmaking playlist, map variant, or game variant, then you should post in the Matchmaking Bug Reporting thread under War Games Feedback. To name a few recent examples, things like underwater spawn points and Ordnance drops falling off the map would go in that thread.

For other bugs, like unreadable discs or inaccessible DLC, you should try the Halo 4 Known Issues thread. I know it doesn’t get a lot of public 343i responses, but to the best of my knowledge, they do read it.

Bugs with gametype scripting could technically be crossposted to the community’s long-running Custom Games thread, as bs angel has confirmed in the past that 343i staff read it regularly. However, you should not rely on that as an official bug reporting channel. Basically, for Custom Game bugs, post in one of the official threads, and if you want to go the extra mile, then you can also post in the Custom Games thread.

Finally, system exploits (like network manipulation) should be reported to Xbox LIVE Enforcement, by Filing a Complaint using the Xbox 360 menus. These complaints are reviewed within 24 hours of being filed, if I recall correctly.

Frame-rate issues
This is a trickier topic because frame rate issues stem from the game overtaxing the Xbox 360’s hardware. Sometimes, this is avoidable; sometimes, it’s not.

One good rule of thumb: if you’re playing split-screen (and not on Forge Island), you’re gonna have a bad time. This is true for Forged maps in Reach and for most maps (Forged or ordinary) in Halo 4. :\

That said, on Forged maps, there sometimes are some measures that mapmakers can take to alleviate frame rate issues on both single- and split-screen. If you notice frame rate issues on Forged maps, then consider posting about it in War Games Feedback. Sometimes, frame rate lag only occurs at certain camera positions and angles, so be sure to mention where on the map you get issues, and where you’re looking (give this information for all players if on split-screen).

I’m a little iffy about posting frame rate issues in the Bug thread, as it’s less a bug and more an difficult-to-avoid consequence of the graphics engine trying to do X things on Y processing power. I personally would take whatever playlist contains the problematic map, and post about the issue in that playlist’s thread.

It may also be worth looking for the map on other Forge websites and commenting there, in the hopes that the original Forger will see your feedback, make adjustments, and send an updated version to the Community Cartographers. (From what I’ve seen and heard, maps don’t get used if they can’t be found. If it’s in Matchmaking, then I almost guarantee that it has a map thread on one of the Forge communities.)

Networking issues
To my knowledge, there are two resources that could help to shed light on networking issues in Matchmaking. One of our community members has created a networking thread that includes a tutorial on opening one’s NAT, and 343i has provided an overview of the Matchmaking process here. The latter source provides a few details on connection-based matching (e.x. the use of latency estimates to find potentially good sessions, before the servers query for actual latency values).

> > Customer service–where is it?
> >
> > Many of us have had problems that haven’t been fixed since Halo 4’s release… Who would like some customer service?
>
> <mark>You mean you want customer service like Walmart?</mark> 343i, in my opinion, is giving customer service higher than what you get with other game developers.
>
> Go to EA and see what CS you are getting…
>
> Go to Blizzard and see what CS you get with Diablo 3…

I walked away from my computer, laughing at wat you wrote, but in a good way, cuz it was funny. But yes, you are correct, 343 is giving high customer service, however, my concern is the reliability of them. Seems to me, they like to delay things, like if their is a problem with a “bug” for an example in a game, they wait for X number of days and if they receive multiple complaints, then they would react.

> I can definitely see the appeal in having something like a help desk staffed with tech support people. It’s always nice to have someone there that can take the time to talk you through a process, and help you to attempt different investigative methods and fixes for your issue.
>
> I don’t know if 343i would be able to do this, as I don’t know how many people they’d need available for it to be effective. From what I can gather based on the types of updates and support Halo 4 has received, 343i doesn’t have any staff members to spare. If they have the budget for it and can get approval for it, then it might be possible for them to hire a different company to provide a dedicated help desk, but I’m not sure that providing such a thing is common practice in the gaming industry. (Why a different company? It’s common for one company to use a second company to provide tech support: it prevents the first company from having to reinvent the wheel, and it allows them to benefit from the second company’s experience.)
>
> <mark>So I don’t know the precise reasons why 343i doesn’t offer a dedicated help desk, but I hope the above paragraph can at least provide a small amount of insight.</mark>
>
> What I do know is that they have provided a few channels for submitting information on bugs, as well as a few sources of information that can help users gain insight into their problems. I’ve documented these in the spoiler below (based on the categories you listed: bugs/exploits, frame-rate issues, and networking).
>
>
>
>
> Bear in mind that these are somewhat general answers; I’m sorry if you’ve already heard it all before and it’s not helpful.
>
> Bugs and exploits
> There are different places to report bugs depending on what sort of bug you’re experiencing.
>
> If it’s something specific to a Matchmaking playlist, map variant, or game variant, then you should post in the Matchmaking Bug Reporting thread under War Games Feedback. To name a few recent examples, things like underwater spawn points and Ordnance drops falling off the map would go in that thread.
>
> For other bugs, like unreadable discs or inaccessible DLC, you should try the Halo 4 Known Issues thread. I know it doesn’t get a lot of public 343i responses, but to the best of my knowledge, they do read it.
>
> Bugs with gametype scripting could technically be crossposted to the community’s long-running Custom Games thread, as bs angel has confirmed in the past that 343i staff read it regularly. However, you should not rely on that as an official bug reporting channel. Basically, for Custom Game bugs, post in one of the official threads, and if you want to go the extra mile, then you can also post in the Custom Games thread.
>
> Finally, system exploits (like network manipulation) should be reported to Xbox LIVE Enforcement, by Filing a Complaint using the Xbox 360 menus. These complaints are reviewed within 24 hours of being filed, if I recall correctly.
>
>
> Frame-rate issues
> This is a trickier topic because frame rate issues stem from the game overtaxing the Xbox 360’s hardware. Sometimes, this is avoidable; sometimes, it’s not.
>
> One good rule of thumb: if you’re playing split-screen (and not on Forge Island), you’re gonna have a bad time. This is true for Forged maps in Reach and for most maps (Forged or ordinary) in Halo 4. :
>
> That said, on Forged maps, there sometimes are some measures that mapmakers can take to alleviate frame rate issues on both single- and split-screen. If you notice frame rate issues on Forged maps, then consider posting about it in War Games Feedback. Sometimes, frame rate lag only occurs at certain camera positions and angles, so be sure to mention where on the map you get issues, and where you’re looking (give this information for all players if on split-screen).
>
> I’m a little iffy about posting frame rate issues in the Bug thread, as it’s less a bug and more an difficult-to-avoid consequence of the graphics engine trying to do X things on Y processing power. I personally would take whatever playlist contains the problematic map, and post about the issue in that playlist’s thread.
>
> It may also be worth looking for the map on other Forge websites and commenting there, in the hopes that the original Forger will see your feedback, make adjustments, and send an updated version to the Community Cartographers. (From what I’ve seen and heard, maps don’t get used if they can’t be found. If it’s in Matchmaking, then I almost guarantee that it has a map thread on one of the Forge communities.)
>
>
> Networking issues
> To my knowledge, there are two resources that could help to shed light on networking issues in Matchmaking. One of our community members has created a networking thread that includes a tutorial on opening one’s NAT, and 343i has provided an overview of the Matchmaking process here. The latter source provides a few details on connection-based matching (e.x. the use of latency estimates to find potentially good sessions, before the servers query for actual latency values).
>

I concur. If only 343i had that, then the list of complaints players express would be resolved right on the spot.

> I can definitely see the appeal in having something like a help desk staffed with tech support people. It’s always nice to have someone there that can take the time to talk you through a process, and help you to attempt different investigative methods and fixes for your issue.
>
> I don’t know if 343i would be able to do this, as I don’t know how many people they’d need available for it to be effective. From what I can gather based on the types of updates and support Halo 4 has received, 343i doesn’t have any staff members to spare. If they have the budget for it and can get approval for it, then it might be possible for them to hire a different company to provide a dedicated help desk, but I’m not sure that providing such a thing is common practice in the gaming industry. (Why a different company? It’s common for one company to use a second company to provide tech support: it prevents the first company from having to reinvent the wheel, and it allows them to benefit from the second company’s experience.)
>
> So I don’t know the precise reasons why 343i doesn’t offer a dedicated help desk, but I hope the above paragraph can at least provide a small amount of insight.
>
> What I do know is that they have provided a few channels for submitting information on bugs, as well as a few sources of information that can help users gain insight into their problems. I’ve documented these in the spoiler below (based on the categories you listed: bugs/exploits, frame-rate issues, and networking).
>
>
>
>
> Bear in mind that these are somewhat general answers; I’m sorry if you’ve already heard it all before and it’s not helpful.
>
> Bugs and exploits
> There are different places to report bugs depending on what sort of bug you’re experiencing.
>
> If it’s something specific to a Matchmaking playlist, map variant, or game variant, then you should post in the Matchmaking Bug Reporting thread under War Games Feedback. To name a few recent examples, things like underwater spawn points and Ordnance drops falling off the map would go in that thread.
>
> For other bugs, like unreadable discs or inaccessible DLC, you should try the Halo 4 Known Issues thread. I know it doesn’t get a lot of public 343i responses, but to the best of my knowledge, they do read it.
>
> Bugs with gametype scripting could technically be crossposted to the community’s long-running Custom Games thread, as bs angel has confirmed in the past that 343i staff read it regularly. However, you should not rely on that as an official bug reporting channel. Basically, for Custom Game bugs, post in one of the official threads, and if you want to go the extra mile, then you can also post in the Custom Games thread.
>
> Finally, system exploits (like network manipulation) should be reported to Xbox LIVE Enforcement, by Filing a Complaint using the Xbox 360 menus. These complaints are reviewed within 24 hours of being filed, if I recall correctly.
>
>
> Frame-rate issues
> This is a trickier topic because frame rate issues stem from the game overtaxing the Xbox 360’s hardware. Sometimes, this is avoidable; sometimes, it’s not.
>
> One good rule of thumb: if you’re playing split-screen (and not on Forge Island), you’re gonna have a bad time. This is true for Forged maps in Reach and for most maps (Forged or ordinary) in Halo 4. :
>
> That said, on Forged maps, there sometimes are some measures that mapmakers can take to alleviate frame rate issues on both single- and split-screen. If you notice frame rate issues on Forged maps, then consider posting about it in War Games Feedback. Sometimes, frame rate lag only occurs at certain camera positions and angles, so be sure to mention where on the map you get issues, and where you’re looking (give this information for all players if on split-screen).
>
> I’m a little iffy about posting frame rate issues in the Bug thread, as it’s less a bug and more an difficult-to-avoid consequence of the graphics engine trying to do X things on Y processing power. I personally would take whatever playlist contains the problematic map, and post about the issue in that playlist’s thread.
>
> It may also be worth looking for the map on other Forge websites and commenting there, in the hopes that the original Forger will see your feedback, make adjustments, and send an updated version to the Community Cartographers. (From what I’ve seen and heard, maps don’t get used if they can’t be found. If it’s in Matchmaking, then I almost guarantee that it has a map thread on one of the Forge communities.)
>
>
> Networking issues
> To my knowledge, there are two resources that could help to shed light on networking issues in Matchmaking. One of our community members has created a networking thread that includes a tutorial on opening one’s NAT, and 343i has provided an overview of the Matchmaking process here. The latter source provides a few details on connection-based matching (e.x. the use of latency estimates to find potentially good sessions, before the servers query for actual latency values).
>

Mr. Cobb, it is amazing how insightful, helpful and flat-out nice you are! Thank you for sharing all of this information with us.

> > Customer service–where is it?
> >
> > Many of us have had problems that haven’t been fixed since Halo 4’s release… Who would like some customer service?
>
> You mean you want customer service like Walmart? 343i, in my opinion, is giving customer service higher than what you get with other game developers.
>
> Go to EA and see what CS you are getting…
>
> Go to Blizzard and see what CS you get with Diablo 3…

Yeah, EA’s Customer Service is this “Click here to download game manual” *Downloads game manual .rar/.zip file from EA, get’s an image for every language saying “The User/game manual is included with your copy of (Insert game name here)”

As per what Mr. Cobb stated, I don’t think having a helpdesk is something common with game developers. Also it is very common for companies to outsource their tech support/help desks, Military does this, Tricare, AKO, Mypay, and any other help desk for the military is mostly outsourced to contract companies, it’s easier on both the “Customer” and the person helping the “Customer”.

Seriously, I don’t know why certain users mentioned such companies as 343 Industries and EA. Anyway, I still personally believe that Bungie, Nintendo and Sony deliver better customer phone support.