Because of the events of Primordium we know now that there is no cure to the flood. The flood have the ability to chose who the infect. This makes me ask then what about Johnson? He was immune because of all the radiation he soaked up while throwing a box of plasma grenades. The flood may have chosen to not infect him but they did infect all the humans around him so why just leave him. Since this is the case I believe he is immune but I still think there can be no cure. Since Johnson is dead and his body gone and since Master Chief destroyed the data that would reveal the immunity does this mean that MC effectivly removed the chance humanity had to make themselves immune to a disease that cannot be cured? On another note the radiation that Johnson got could have killed him he was lucky to be alive, so even if this could be used as an immunity would it really work or would most people just die from it?
Immunity and cure are two different things. Johnson was immune due to his unique physiology as a result of being part of the Spartan-I program, known as Orion (The Boren’s Syndrome was a cover planted by ONI).
> Because of the events of Primordium we know now that there is no cure to the flood. The flood have the ability to chose who the infect. This makes me ask then what about Johnson? He was immune because of all the radiation he soaked up while throwing a box of plasma grenades. The flood may have chosen to not infect him but they did infect all the humans around him so why just leave him. Since this is the case I believe he is immune but I still think there can be no cure. Since Johnson is dead and his body gone and since Master Chief destroyed the data that would reveal the immunity does this mean that MC effectivly removed the chance humanity had to make themselves immune to a disease that cannot be cured? On another note the radiation that Johnson got could have killed him he was lucky to be alive, so even if this could be used as an immunity would it really work or would most people just die from it?
This also depends on how you see the Flood. Are they a Parasite? Or a disease? Diseases can be cured, vaccines made. If they are a Parasite, then there is no cure. Parasites can be killed. But no immunity. Although most parasites can be removed. So there may still be a way to remove the Flood after infection.
> Immunity and cure are two different things. Johnson was immune due to his unique physiology as a result of being part of the Spartan-I program, known as Orion (The Boren’s Syndrome was a cover planted by ONI).
no he was immune because he fended off a bunch of covenant by throwing a box of plasma grendades and he got a form of radiation sickness that made him immune.
> > Because of the events of Primordium we know now that there is no cure to the flood. The flood have the ability to chose who the infect. This makes me ask then what about Johnson? He was immune because of all the radiation he soaked up while throwing a box of plasma grenades. The flood may have chosen to not infect him but they did infect all the humans around him so why just leave him. Since this is the case I believe he is immune but I still think there can be no cure. Since Johnson is dead and his body gone and since Master Chief destroyed the data that would reveal the immunity does this mean that MC effectivly removed the chance humanity had to make themselves immune to a disease that cannot be cured? On another note the radiation that Johnson got could have killed him he was lucky to be alive, so even if this could be used as an immunity would it really work or would most people just die from it?
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> This also depends on how you see the Flood. Are they a Parasite? Or a disease? Diseases can be cured, vaccines made. If they are a Parasite, then there is no cure. Parasites can be killed. But no immunity. Although most parasites can be removed. So there may still be a way to remove the Flood after infection.
I see what your saying but I would say there a combination of both.
> > Immunity and cure are two different things. Johnson was immune due to his unique physiology as a result of being part of the Spartan-I program, known as Orion (The Boren’s Syndrome was a cover planted by ONI).
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> no he was immune because he fended off a bunch of covenant by throwing a box of plasma grendades and he got a form of radiation sickness that made him immune.
Uhhh…NO!
Boren’s Syndrome is a COVER UP disease. He didn’t REALLY have it. It was used to HIDE from people the fact that he was AN EPIC SOLDIER. It scrambled his NERVOUS SYSTEM, so the Flood COULD NOT TAKE CONTROL OF HIM. Effectively, he was IMMUNE to the Flood’s ability to take control of a human body system. Ergo, HE DID NOT HAVE BOREN’S SYNDROME.
> In Cryptum we are told that Human’s discovered a cure for the Flood (via genes the Flood had no defense to [Cryptum page 271]) In Primordium we are told in the end that there is no cure.
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> However! We know from MB that “Not all resist…Not all survive” (in reference to Humans being tested by the flood) and from Gamelpar that most do. We know that Gamelpar went to the Palace of Pain where the Flood experiments were going on but he did not become infected.
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> And we know from summaries on Amazon (which is a longer version of the book’s inner jacket) that the Flood’s research was retasked by the Primordial. [Called the Captive by Forerunners, and the Primordial by ancient human warriors, this intelligence has taken charge of, and retasked, the Master Builder’s cruel researches into the Flood–which it may have itself unleashed on the galaxy more than ten thousand years before.]
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> And the book closed with more cryptic messages that related to the events we know in the current Halo timeline. The most interesting one (though it may be a stretch) “Humans will rise again in arrogance and defiance. The Flood will return when they are right-- and bring them unity.”
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> The way I see it based on that quote and the small list of given events and circumstances, to me at least, proves that there is a cure…except that due to the Conservation Measures those humans eventually taken and used, as well as the passage of time and possible evolution (assuming some evolution did happen post-Reseeding), has diluted the genetics (or potentially it never transferred due to those selected and used for Reseeding) that had maintained the cure which is why modern humans are so susceptible to the Flood.
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> Another reference could be in the SI’s and Sgt. Johnson (Those of the original Orion project) because he was not affected or susceptible to the Flood potentially due to the limited augmentation process of gene sequences added to his genetic code (and even then he could be a rare case if it was the mixing of his personal genetics and the sequences used for the augmentations.)
Something that had occurred to me awhile back, also addressing the Johnson issue in a bit more depth as to why the distorted nervous system is present, though it also opens up the idea to the sequences causing some of the supposed immunity/cure.
> > In Cryptum we are told that Human’s discovered a cure for the Flood (via genes the Flood had no defense to [Cryptum page 271]) In Primordium we are told in the end that there is no cure.
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> > However! We know from MB that “Not all resist…Not all survive” (in reference to Humans being tested by the flood) and from Gamelpar that most do. We know that Gamelpar went to the Palace of Pain where the Flood experiments were going on but he did not become infected.
> >
> > And we know from summaries on Amazon (which is a longer version of the book’s inner jacket) that the Flood’s research was retasked by the Primordial. [Called the Captive by Forerunners, and the Primordial by ancient human warriors, this intelligence has taken charge of, and retasked, the Master Builder’s cruel researches into the Flood–which it may have itself unleashed on the galaxy more than ten thousand years before.]
> >
> > And the book closed with more cryptic messages that related to the events we know in the current Halo timeline. The most interesting one (though it may be a stretch) “Humans will rise again in arrogance and defiance. The Flood will return when they are right-- and bring them unity.”
> >
> > The way I see it based on that quote and the small list of given events and circumstances, to me at least, proves that there is a cure…except that due to the Conservation Measures those humans eventually taken and used, as well as the passage of time and possible evolution (assuming some evolution did happen post-Reseeding), has diluted the genetics (or potentially it never transferred due to those selected and used for Reseeding) that had maintained the cure which is why modern humans are so susceptible to the Flood.
> >
> > Another reference could be in the SI’s and Sgt. Johnson (Those of the original Orion project) because he was not affected or susceptible to the Flood potentially due to the limited augmentation process of gene sequences added to his genetic code (and even then he could be a rare case if it was the mixing of his personal genetics and the sequences used for the augmentations.)
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> Something that had occurred to me awhile back, also addressing the Johnson issue in a bit more depth as to why the distorted nervous system is present, though it also opens up the idea to the sequences causing some of the supposed immunity/cure.
It is there because Bungie needed a scapegoat for Johnson’s life (and a great excuse it was, pure genius) and it fits canonically. It wasnt the fact that he HAD a specific immunity genetic sequence, it was the LACK of a specific genetic sequence that made him immune. The Flood take control by binding to the subjects nervous system, which was impossible for Johnson, whose own nervous system was alienated from the rest of humanity’s through the Orion project.
The apparent nature of Flood infection to me would instantly say there’s no real “cure”. One could probably find a way to develope immunity (Johnston) but there’s no way to remove the infection after it’s been performed.
The ancient humans didn’t have a cure. They had a way to kill the Flood en masse. If memory serves, they found a way to make the Flood attack each other.
> It is there because Bungie needed a scapegoat for Johnson’s life (and a great excuse it was, pure genius) and it fits canonically. It wasnt the fact that he HAD a specific immunity genetic sequence, it was the LACK of a specific genetic sequence that made him immune. The Flood take control by binding to the subjects nervous system, which was impossible for Johnson, whose own nervous system was alienated from the rest of humanity’s through the Orion project.
Then this could also in theory apply to Spartans, we know the Chief could have possibly been infected during Halo: The Flood but Cortana saved him. Additionally, what you said makes little sense…Nothing from Johnson was ever removed, sequences were added to his and other Orion candidates genetics. All in all though, the Boren Syndrome is a big bag of worms :\ In First Strike it mentions it being from plasma grenades and Halsey didn’t even know about it, in the Encyclopedia it’s a cover up disease, and in Ghost of Onyx it’s somewhat public knowledge cause the rebels use it in attempt to get medical aid and supplies. ~-~
> The ancient humans didn’t have a cure. They had a way to kill the Flood en masse. If memory serves, they found a way to make the Flood attack each other.
No…the flood just stopped infecting humans…period.
> The apparent nature of Flood infection to me would instantly say there’s no real “cure”. One could probably find a way to develope immunity (Johnston) but there’s no way to remove the infection after it’s been performed.
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> The ancient humans didn’t have a cure. They had a way to kill the Flood en masse. If memory serves, they found a way to make the Flood attack each other.
True, that did seem a part of the cure as the Flood didn’t have a defense to the genes made but there could have been additional and residual effects since the cure was mentioned as a way to safeguard future generations of humans, so even the way the cure worked as I see it is a bit tricky without any more information (which could make what I think a moot point by effectively shattering it with a simple definite answer.)
> Then this could also in theory apply to Spartans, we know the Chief could have possibly been infected during Halo: The Flood but Cortana saved him. Additionally, what you said makes little sense…Nothing from Johnson was ever removed, sequences were added to his and other Orion candidates genetics. All in all though, the Boren Syndrome is a big bag of worms :\ In First Strike it mentions it being from plasma grenades and Halsey didn’t even know about it, in the Encyclopedia it’s a cover up disease, and in Ghost of Onyx it’s somewhat public knowledge cause the rebels use it in attempt to get medical aid and supplies. ~-~
I think what Boren’s Syndrome is supposed to be is a relatively obscure disease which ONI appropriated to cover up the Orion Project. I may not have the Halo Encyclopedia on me, but I don’t recall reading anything that said Boren’s Syndrome itself was fake. Only certain cases have been shown to be so.
As for Johnson’s immunity, I think the entire Boren’s Syndrome Retcon was introduced by Bungie because they didn’t like the idea of people being immune to the Flood. In the Halo Graphic Novel, Sergeant Johnson is shown fighting his way out of Quarantine without an infection form coming close to him. He’s just that awesome.
So, let’s assume that he was immune to the infection forms because they couldn’t force a match to his nervous system. That still doesn’t preclude the scenario where the Flood Super Cell poisons him and renders his body down for raw material. As near as I can tell, that’s the modus operandi of the Flood once an advanced stage is reached.
So. Questions?
> > Then this could also in theory apply to Spartans, we know the Chief could have possibly been infected during Halo: The Flood but Cortana saved him. Additionally, what you said makes little sense…Nothing from Johnson was ever removed, sequences were added to his and other Orion candidates genetics. All in all though, the Boren Syndrome is a big bag of worms :\ In First Strike it mentions it being from plasma grenades and Halsey didn’t even know about it, in the Encyclopedia it’s a cover up disease, and in Ghost of Onyx it’s somewhat public knowledge cause the rebels use it in attempt to get medical aid and supplies. ~-~
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> As for Johnson’s immunity, I think the entire Boren’s Syndrome Retcon was introduced by Bungie because they didn’t like the idea of people being immune to the Flood. In the Halo Graphic Novel, Sergeant Johnson is shown fighting his way out of Quarantine without an infection form coming close to him. He’s just that awesome.
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> So. Questions?
Not so much a question, as a rebuke.
This is true in the HGN, but not so much the actual Halo CE game. We see him get trapped in a room crawling with Flood, who have already begun absorbing humans to become Combat Forms. In fact, we seem them jumping on many of the soldiers (I dont recall if they specifically showed the Sergeant) but we are meant to assume that his fate was to feed those Infection Forms. The argument that Johnson survives is identical to the one claiming Noble 6’s great escape, which is to say we didn’t SEE him die.
OF course he’s dead, and not seeing it doesn’t make it a lie. We can conclude, based on Sizable evidence in First Strike, we can assume the Flood did ‘touch’ him, as Halsey found dead Flood cells floatin’ around his bloodstream. And his description, “they didn’t like the taste of me,” implies they ‘tasted’ him, by trying and failing to match his nervous system. Ergo, despite his awesomeness, there was at least one (and likely many) assaults that actually made physical contact on him.
> > Then this could also in theory apply to Spartans, we know the Chief could have possibly been infected during Halo: The Flood but Cortana saved him. Additionally, what you said makes little sense…Nothing from Johnson was ever removed, sequences were added to his and other Orion candidates genetics. All in all though, the Boren Syndrome is a big bag of worms :\ In First Strike it mentions it being from plasma grenades and Halsey didn’t even know about it, in the Encyclopedia it’s a cover up disease, and in Ghost of Onyx it’s somewhat public knowledge cause the rebels use it in attempt to get medical aid and supplies. ~-~
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> I think what Boren’s Syndrome is supposed to be is a relatively obscure disease which ONI appropriated to cover up the Orion Project. I may not have the Halo Encyclopedia on me, but I don’t recall reading anything that said Boren’s Syndrome itself was fake. Only certain cases have been shown to be so.
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> As for Johnson’s immunity, I think the entire Boren’s Syndrome Retcon was introduced by Bungie because they didn’t like the idea of people being immune to the Flood. In the Halo Graphic Novel, Sergeant Johnson is shown fighting his way out of Quarantine without an infection form coming close to him. He’s just that awesome.
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> So, let’s assume that he was immune to the infection forms because they couldn’t force a match to his nervous system. That still doesn’t preclude the scenario where the Flood Super Cell poisons him and renders his body down for raw material. As near as I can tell, that’s the modus operandi of the Flood once an advanced stage is reached.
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> So. Questions?
Actually, in the Graphic Novel, he is depicted ripping an infection form off himself, and of course, there’s the Jenkins cutscene and First Strike. All the Boren’s Syndrome retcon did was say that Boren’s syndrome wasn’t real and a cover for him being a Spartan-I.
I clearly remember bias talking about the cure in the novel. I think people forget that the Primordial has a grudge against the forerunners and lies to demoralize them. I see no logical reason for it to tell Didact that there is a cure.
> > > Immunity and cure are two different things. Johnson was immune due to his unique physiology as a result of being part of the Spartan-I program, known as Orion (The Boren’s Syndrome was a cover planted by ONI).
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> > no he was immune because he fended off a bunch of covenant by throwing a box of plasma grendades and he got a form of radiation sickness that made him immune.
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> Uhhh…NO!
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> Boren’s Syndrome is a COVER UP disease. He didn’t REALLY have it. It was used to HIDE from people the fact that he was AN EPIC SOLDIER. It scrambled his NERVOUS SYSTEM, so the Flood COULD NOT TAKE CONTROL OF HIM. Effectively, he was IMMUNE to the Flood’s ability to take control of a human body system. Ergo, HE DID NOT HAVE BOREN’S SYNDROME.
And that same “EPIC SOLDIER” got shot in the face by 343 Guilty Spark.
/truth
> > > > Immunity and cure are two different things. Johnson was immune due to his unique physiology as a result of being part of the Spartan-I program, known as Orion (The Boren’s Syndrome was a cover planted by ONI).
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> > > no he was immune because he fended off a bunch of covenant by throwing a box of plasma grendades and he got a form of radiation sickness that made him immune.
> >
> > Uhhh…NO!
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> > Boren’s Syndrome is a COVER UP disease. He didn’t REALLY have it. It was used to HIDE from people the fact that he was AN EPIC SOLDIER. It scrambled his NERVOUS SYSTEM, so the Flood COULD NOT TAKE CONTROL OF HIM. Effectively, he was IMMUNE to the Flood’s ability to take control of a human body system. Ergo, HE DID NOT HAVE BOREN’S SYNDROME.
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> And that same “EPIC SOLDIER” got shot in the face by 343 Guilty Spark.
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> /truth
And that EPIC SOLDIER was the only life form to witness the beginning and end of the Human-Covenant War, escape Halo on a Pelican, be a badass along the way, and open the way for the Chief to kill Spark and finally destroy the Flood (with the Spartan Laser).