Is it just me, or is the CSR system a bit wonky? I play Swat regularly with my friend, who I happen to be better than. I always seem to go MVP. So how is it that after our 10 matches he gets an Onyx rank, and I get a Diamond?
Anyone else having these issues?
No one else has had this issue?
Interesting… no idea why that is
Yes OP I have seen a few people say the same thing your are not alone.
Keep in mind that the CSR system is not spot on. It’s more or less an estimate of your skill. Getting kills is not the only thing of iimportance for your skill. Team based action have a huge impact, assists, saviour kills, genereal objective based plays like flag caps or zone caps etc. Of course there will be better people ranked lower than you and vice versa. It would be nearly impossible to calculate each individual player’s skill to absolute perfection. It’s not an exact science.
Also, from what I’ve seen once you get your CSR, so after your qualification matches, your CSR goes up and down based on wins, not on your skill itself anymore. Although I am not entirely sure about this, could be skill is still a little bit involved but wins/losses have a much bigger effect.
Well you can be the top player in your lobby but still have the most deaths paired with your most kills effecting your placement through k/d (maybe?), csr is wonky though no denying that.
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> Keep in mind that the CSR system is not spot on. It’s more or less an estimate of your skill. Getting kills is not the only thing of iimportance for your skill. Team based action have a huge impact, assists, saviour kills, genereal objective based plays like flag caps or zone caps etc. Of course there will be better people ranked lower than you and vice versa. It would be nearly impossible to calculate each individual player’s skill to absolute perfection. It’s not an exact science.
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> Well you can be the top player in your lobby but still have the most deaths paired with your most kills effecting your placement through k/d (maybe?), csr is wonky though no denying that.
Yeah I dont know. All I know is its frustrating to have friends get higher than me when they are less skilled players.
seems even more people are finding there ways to onyx. It’s funny cus even when I’m in a game with almost all onyx players I still run MVP most of the time.
Remember that the whole matchmaking system, including the CSR aspect within Arena, is still relying on Microsoft’s TrueSkill system as the backbone; so, even if you were placing better than your friend in this particular playlist it’s possible that he has a higher TrueSkil rating or that he was performing better against the individuals within the match that had a higher TrueSkill rating (or CSR rating) if that’s in part how the CSR system measures placement. Also, the CSR system is individually based (not team based) within the first 10 placement matches, so I guess it depends on what and how detailed that individual aspect is analyzing.
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> Remember that the whole matchmaking system, including the CSR aspect within Arena, is still relying on Microsoft’s TrueSkill system as the backbone; so, even if you were placing better than your friend in this particular playlist it’s possible that he has a higher TrueSkil rating or that he was performing better against the individuals within the match that had a higher TrueSkill rating (or CSR rating) if that’s in part how the CSR system measures placement. Also, the CSR system is individually based (not team based) within the first 10 placement matches, so I guess it depends on what and how detailed that individual aspect is analyzing.
I guess I find it annoying that even now playing with him I get matched with onyx players and I still out perform almost all of them. I have also met several people with very similar issues. Now he is actually not happy with his rank, because he is consistently outmatched and he cant seem to win unless he brings in his friends who play better than him, all of which ranked lower than him.
can someone explain how this person is a platinum 1?? WTF
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5odwwIYurbA/VjPOh27w_II/AAAAAAAAGA0/HPnyFO_EeGk/s1059-Ic42/halo.JPG
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> can someone explain how this person is a platinum 1?? WTF
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he likely won those 7 games within his first ten and now he is ranked with players that are better than him so he keeps losing.
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> > Keep in mind that the CSR system is not spot on. It’s more or less an estimate of your skill. Getting kills is not the only thing of iimportance for your skill. Team based action have a huge impact, assists, saviour kills, genereal objective based plays like flag caps or zone caps etc. Of course there will be better people ranked lower than you and vice versa. It would be nearly impossible to calculate each individual player’s skill to absolute perfection. It’s not an exact science.
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> > Well you can be the top player in your lobby but still have the most deaths paired with your most kills effecting your placement through k/d (maybe?), csr is wonky though no denying that.
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> Yeah I dont know. All I know is its frustrating to have friends get higher than me when they are less skilled players.
Don’t let it annoy you though. If you are really better, then you will eventually catch up and even get higher up.
But yeah, it does seem weird. Perhaps the system needs a bit of tuning, we might expect a rank reset (which I wouldn’t be happy about, I worked my way up from Silver 1 to 4 4 and I am moving up)
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> > > Keep in mind that the CSR system is not spot on. It’s more or less an estimate of your skill. Getting kills is not the only thing of iimportance for your skill. Team based action have a huge impact, assists, saviour kills, genereal objective based plays like flag caps or zone caps etc. Of course there will be better people ranked lower than you and vice versa. It would be nearly impossible to calculate each individual player’s skill to absolute perfection. It’s not an exact science.
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> > > Also, from what I’ve seen once you get your CSR, so after your qualification matches, your CSR goes up and down based on wins, not on your skill itself anymore. Although I am not entirely sure about this, could be skill is still a little bit involved but wins/losses have a much bigger effect.
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> But yeah, it does seem weird. Perhaps the system needs a bit of tuning, we might expect a rank reset (which I wouldn’t be happy about, I worked my way up from Silver 1 to 4 4 and I am moving up)
but see the issue is that it wont work itself out. I think we need to reroll the ranks simply because how difficult it will be to move from the basic ranks to onyx or higher. It is too time consuming and it seems as though the people who are already there cant derank back to diamond so those spots fill up. Then players like myself are stuck wondering why so many people with little to no skill end up with ranks like onyx.
Ranks will reset each season tho, and be more accurate in the next season.
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> Ranks will reset each season tho, and be more accurate in the next season.
I hope so.
