How did the Created control Earth so quickly?
In the description of one piece of armour in H5, mentions that the Created control Earth.
So,
When did this happen?
If 4 Spartans can get past everything Cortana can attack them with at the time and retrieve a cryptum from her Guardian, how come a lot more Spartans couldn’t defend Earth? I know that the Created simply disabled everything the UNSC had, but that didn’t stop Osiris and Blue team in their missions, and even if they lost all control of the space above the Guardians can’t attack the surface as effectively.
Osiris and Blue team both conducted their missions slightly before Cortana’s takeover of the guardians. And takeover is pretty easy when you’re able to EMP an entire planet taking away all of their technologies, so it’s not so far fetched it took as little time as it did.
And on a side note, Osiris had help from a monitor. Quite a powerful ally or adversary.
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> Osiris and Blue team both conducted their missions slightly before Cortana’s takeover of the guardians. And takeover is pretty easy when you’re able to EMP an entire planet taking away all of their technologies, so it’s not so far fetched it took as little time as it did.
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> And on a side note, Osiris had help from a monitor. Quite a powerful ally or adversary.
Exuberant didn’t really help much though, other than the occasional door or bridge.
The only reason Exuberant was needed was to be a guide and retrieve the Cryptum.
Osiris did all of the dangerous things, although I do agree that Exuberant had important roles.
Also, Locke managed to survive on the Alpha shard without any form of technology
Other than a bomb and a ship.To help them.
They had to turn their weapons off and outsmart, in a way, the Thanolekgolo. Locke survived and successfully eliminated the threat on Alpha shard.So that proves that the UNSC (or ONI/Colonial guard) can survive without technology and augmented super soldiers (who could probably work a lot more efficiently).
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> What Locke experienced on Alpha Shard isn’t really comparable to a Guardian deactivating Earth’s defenses in space and on the ground.
I know, but it’s similar in a way.
They couldn’t use any technology or weapons, and when the Created attacked Earth, its defenders couldn’t use technology or weapons either.
So if Locke can’t kill the Thanolekgolo and he still defeated them, Spartans can defeat the Guardians.
Think of the Guardians as stronger Thanolekgolo and Spartans as stronger Lockes.
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> > What Locke experienced on Alpha Shard isn’t really comparable to a Guardian deactivating Earth’s defenses in space and on the ground.
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> I know, but it’s similar in a way.
> They couldn’t use any technology or weapons, and when the Created attacked Earth, its defenders couldn’t use technology or weapons either.
> So if Locke can’t kill the Thanolekgolo and he still defeated them, Spartans can defeat the Guardians.
> Think of the Guardians as stronger Thanolekgolo and Spartans as stronger Lockes.
It’s still not comparable nor did Locke defeat the Thanklekgolo, he just wasn’t eaten. We are talking any form of war-waging machine on Earth being knocked offline. You have no orbital MACs to fend off Guardians, no ships in space, Pelicans, Warthogs, etc all rendered useless. You’ll still have conventional ground forces, but without communications they’ll be aimless.
Big difference between choosing to not use nor use tech and being unable to use it at all.
Earths entire fleet was compromised by the EMP blast of the Guardian, all remaining military forces could only helplessly watch as ships crashed into human city’s or try and aid in any evacuation efforts. One Guardian can also police a solar system so all other military fleets nearby that tried to help were probably EMPd as well, ground forces with no air craft wouldn’t be able to even attack the Guardian, and if it did go down into atmosphere it would destroy the ground forces easily with an energy blast from its wing tips or create shockwave. - Blue team failed miserably in there attempts to stop Cortana and even with Exuberant help and an army of Constructors Osiris was only able to free Blue team and even that was partially down to Cortana underestimating them. Blue team had the best chance of beating Cortana due to having direct access to her but Chiefs bad decisions caused there downfall.
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> > > What Locke experienced on Alpha Shard isn’t really comparable to a Guardian deactivating Earth’s defenses in space and on the ground.
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> > I know, but it’s similar in a way.
> > They couldn’t use any technology or weapons, and when the Created attacked Earth, its defenders couldn’t use technology or weapons either.
> > So if Locke can’t kill the Thanolekgolo and he still defeated them, Spartans can defeat the Guardians.
> > Think of the Guardians as stronger Thanolekgolo and Spartans as stronger Lockes.
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> It’s still not comparable nor did Locke defeat the Thanklekgolo, he just wasn’t eaten. We are talking any form of war-waging machine on Earth being knocked offline. You have no orbital MACs to fend off Guardians, no ships in space, Pelicans, Warthogs, etc all rendered useless. You’ll still have conventional ground forces, but without communications they’ll be aimless.
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> Big difference between choosing to not use nor use tech and being unable to use it at all.
So he survived.
If you compared the two the way I did, then Locke surviving is like there still being a possible resistance still fighting it on Earth.
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> > > > What Locke experienced on Alpha Shard isn’t really comparable to a Guardian deactivating Earth’s defenses in space and on the ground.
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> > > I know, but it’s similar in a way.
> > > They couldn’t use any technology or weapons, and when the Created attacked Earth, its defenders couldn’t use technology or weapons either.
> > > So if Locke can’t kill the Thanolekgolo and he still defeated them, Spartans can defeat the Guardians.
> > > Think of the Guardians as stronger Thanolekgolo and Spartans as stronger Lockes.
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> > It’s still not comparable nor did Locke defeat the Thanklekgolo, he just wasn’t eaten. We are talking any form of war-waging machine on Earth being knocked offline. You have no orbital MACs to fend off Guardians, no ships in space, Pelicans, Warthogs, etc all rendered useless. You’ll still have conventional ground forces, but without communications they’ll be aimless.
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> > Big difference between choosing to not use nor use tech and being unable to use it at all.
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> So he survived.
> If you compared the two the way I did, then Locke surviving is like there still being a possible resistance still fighting it on Earth.
Well, yeah, there is still resistance on Earth, nobody was disputing that. You merely asked how Earth could get taken over by the Created. That was answered, they had the edge technologically with the Guardians and the element of surprise and could effectively march in. Now, since Recon GEN1 helmets are with ONI, it is possible they may have been able to sneak onto Created-occupied Earth. Chances are the resistance didn’t start on Earth since Cortana would likely capture UNSC and ONI bases as fast as possible.
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> > > > > What Locke experienced on Alpha Shard isn’t really comparable to a Guardian deactivating Earth’s defenses in space and on the ground.
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> > > > I know, but it’s similar in a way.
> > > > They couldn’t use any technology or weapons, and when the Created attacked Earth, its defenders couldn’t use technology or weapons either.
> > > > So if Locke can’t kill the Thanolekgolo and he still defeated them, Spartans can defeat the Guardians.
> > > > Think of the Guardians as stronger Thanolekgolo and Spartans as stronger Lockes.
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> > > It’s still not comparable nor did Locke defeat the Thanklekgolo, he just wasn’t eaten. We are talking any form of war-waging machine on Earth being knocked offline. You have no orbital MACs to fend off Guardians, no ships in space, Pelicans, Warthogs, etc all rendered useless. You’ll still have conventional ground forces, but without communications they’ll be aimless.
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> > > Big difference between choosing to not use nor use tech and being unable to use it at all.
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> > So he survived.
> > If you compared the two the way I did, then Locke surviving is like there still being a possible resistance still fighting it on Earth.
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> Well, yeah, there is still resistance on Earth, nobody was disputing that. You merely asked how Earth could get taken over by the Created. That was answered, they had the edge technologically with the Guardians and the element of surprise and could effectively march in. Now, since Recon GEN1 helmets are with ONI, it is possible they may have been able to sneak onto Created-occupied Earth. Chances are the resistance didn’t start on Earth since Cortana would likely capture UNSC and ONI bases as fast as possible.
If there is a resistance still fighting, then the Created don’t completely control Earth.
Also, could Cortana know the location of every UNSC/ONI base on Earth? There’d be a lot, and ONI like to keep things secret.
Anyway, thanks for answering.
I’m still particularly curious to see what a Created-controlled Earth(or any territory, for that matter) would look like.
Does Cortana have Promethean guards stationed all over it, watching as helpless civilians line up to get their daily allotted food-supplies before going to work at their pre-assigned jobs/tasks? Or is everyone pretty much out for themselves as a Guardian looms over, ready to blast apart anyone who partakes in violence? Is weaponry(militarian or personal) banned and confiscated on sight?
We won’t know for sure for a while, but it’s interesting to think about regardless - it could vastly affect Halo 6’s gameplay/story.
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> I’m still particularly curious to see what a Created-controlled Earth(or any territory, for that matter) would look like.
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> Does Cortana have Promethean guards stationed all over it, watching as helpless civilians line up to get their daily allotted food-supplies before going to work at their pre-assigned jobs/tasks? Or is everyone pretty much out for themselves as a Guardian looms over, ready to blast apart anyone who partakes in violence? Is weaponry(militarian or personal) banned and confiscated on sight?
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> We won’t know for sure for a while, but it’s interesting to think about regardless - it could vastly affect Halo 6’s gameplay/story.
This intrigues me also. We know Promethean Knights are capable of working with Covenant forces, as we see in Halo 4. Can they communicate easily, or did it take some time to figure out the Knight’s intentions? Can they communicate with the humans? Will the Crawlers act as guard dogs and the Watchers act as sentries? Will soldiers patrol under the command of Knights? Or are they simply combat AI that we wouldn’t see under Guardian occupation unless violence erupts?
I still don’t think that was an EMP blast. Doesn’t make sense for the human fleet to be that vulnerable to EMPs considering that they fart nukes like candy in space battles against the Covenant, and nukes always generate EMP when exploding.
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> This intrigues me also. We know Promethean Knights are capable of working with Covenant forces, as we see in Halo 4. Can they communicate easily, or did it take some time to figure out the Knight’s intentions? Can they communicate with the humans? Will the Crawlers act as guard dogs and the Watchers act as sentries? Will soldiers patrol under the command of Knights? Or are they simply combat AI that we wouldn’t see under Guardian occupation unless violence erupts?
All we can really do is speculate for now. We know that Soldiers can speak, even make their own decisions(such as choosing to use human weapons, they even comment on it by saying it’s “primitive, yet effective”), which seems to imply that Soldiers are less drone-like than sentinels, but obviously they’re still controlled by a central intelligence. Outside of that, the Knights, Watchers, and Crawlers seem to be unable to communicate. At least, with words.
By this it might be that Soldiers, Crawlers, and Watchers all act as guards and overwatch, with Knights being called in only in situations where tanks would usually fill the role. It’ll be interesting, really. The Halos(and Forerunners as a whole) have presumably been kept secret from the general public since their discovery; there’s no covering up Guardians or Prometheans, though.
Thing is, with the Guardians being capable of EMP(and since most, if not all, UNSC weapons require power) I don’t see why she would even need the Prometheans.
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> I still don’t think that was an EMP blast. Doesn’t make sense for the human fleet to be that vulnerable to EMPs considering that they fart nukes like candy in space battles against the Covenant, and nukes always generate EMP when exploding.
Of course it was something a way more sophisticated. But lacking better term I think it’s okay to call it EMP since it mostly does the same thing but more effectively.
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> > > > > > What Locke experienced on Alpha Shard isn’t really comparable to a Guardian deactivating Earth’s defenses in space and on the ground.
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> > > > > I know, but it’s similar in a way.
> > > > > They couldn’t use any technology or weapons, and when the Created attacked Earth, its defenders couldn’t use technology or weapons either.
> > > > > So if Locke can’t kill the Thanolekgolo and he still defeated them, Spartans can defeat the Guardians.
> > > > > Think of the Guardians as stronger Thanolekgolo and Spartans as stronger Lockes.
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> > > > It’s still not comparable nor did Locke defeat the Thanklekgolo, he just wasn’t eaten. We are talking any form of war-waging machine on Earth being knocked offline. You have no orbital MACs to fend off Guardians, no ships in space, Pelicans, Warthogs, etc all rendered useless. You’ll still have conventional ground forces, but without communications they’ll be aimless.
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> > > > Big difference between choosing to not use nor use tech and being unable to use it at all.
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> > > So he survived.
> > > If you compared the two the way I did, then Locke surviving is like there still being a possible resistance still fighting it on Earth.
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> > Well, yeah, there is still resistance on Earth, nobody was disputing that. You merely asked how Earth could get taken over by the Created. That was answered, they had the edge technologically with the Guardians and the element of surprise and could effectively march in. Now, since Recon GEN1 helmets are with ONI, it is possible they may have been able to sneak onto Created-occupied Earth. Chances are the resistance didn’t start on Earth since Cortana would likely capture UNSC and ONI bases as fast as possible.
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> If there is a resistance still fighting, then the Created don’t completely control Earth.
> Also, could Cortana know the location of every UNSC/ONI base on Earth? There’d be a lot, and ONI like to keep things secret.
> Anyway, thanks for answering.
Well, Cortana IS a forner UNSC AI, so she definitely has some basic information regarding UNSC Bases and knows which to make her top priority
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> > > > > > I know, but it’s similar in a way.
> > > > > > They couldn’t use any technology or weapons, and when the Created attacked Earth, its defenders couldn’t use technology or weapons either.
> > > > > > So if Locke can’t kill the Thanolekgolo and he still defeated them, Spartans can defeat the Guardians.
> > > > > > Think of the Guardians as stronger Thanolekgolo and Spartans as stronger Lockes.
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> > > > > It’s still not comparable nor did Locke defeat the Thanklekgolo, he just wasn’t eaten. We are talking any form of war-waging machine on Earth being knocked offline. You have no orbital MACs to fend off Guardians, no ships in space, Pelicans, Warthogs, etc all rendered useless. You’ll still have conventional ground forces, but without communications they’ll be aimless.
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> > > > > Big difference between choosing to not use nor use tech and being unable to use it at all.
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> > > > So he survived.
> > > > If you compared the two the way I did, then Locke surviving is like there still being a possible resistance still fighting it on Earth.
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> > > Well, yeah, there is still resistance on Earth, nobody was disputing that. You merely asked how Earth could get taken over by the Created. That was answered, they had the edge technologically with the Guardians and the element of surprise and could effectively march in. Now, since Recon GEN1 helmets are with ONI, it is possible they may have been able to sneak onto Created-occupied Earth. Chances are the resistance didn’t start on Earth since Cortana would likely capture UNSC and ONI bases as fast as possible.
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> > If there is a resistance still fighting, then the Created don’t completely control Earth.
> > Also, could Cortana know the location of every UNSC**/ONI** base on Earth? There’d be a lot, and ONI like to keep things secret.
> > Anyway, thanks for answering.
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> Well, Cortana IS a forner UNSC AI, so she definitely has some basic information regarding UNSC Bases and knows which to make her top priority
ONI as well.
They even kept secrets from their second in command, how would an old AI know the locations of every base?
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> Does Cortana have Promethean guards stationed all over it, watching as helpless civilians line up to get their daily allotted food-supplies before going to work at their pre-assigned jobs/tasks? Or is everyone pretty much out for themselves as a Guardian looms over, ready to blast apart anyone who partakes in violence? Is weaponry(militarian or personal) banned and confiscated on sight?
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> We won’t know for sure for a while, but it’s interesting to think about regardless - it could vastly affect Halo 6’s gameplay/story.
I agree, I’m very very curious to see what actual day to day life under the Created is like. On the one hand if they’re portrayed as cruel and inhumane they’ll be more satisfying to fight; but on the other if they are portrayed that way, humanity’s relationship with AI’s will be further damaged, which we don’t want to see. This is why even while I try to be optimistic about the future of the franchise, I feel like they’ve painted themselves into a corner with this faction as the new primary antagonist. I just don’t think they work as a villain no matter how they’re spun. I hope I’m wrong. (I probably am.)
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> I agree, I’m very very curious to see what actual day to day life under the Created is like. On the one hand if they’re portrayed as cruel and inhumane they’ll be more satisfying to fight; but on the other if they are portrayed that way, humanity’s relationship with AI’s will be further damaged, which we don’t want to see. This is why even while I try to be optimistic about the future of the franchise, I feel like they’ve painted themselves into a corner with this faction as the new primary antagonist. I just don’t think they work as a villain no matter how they’re spun. I hope I’m wrong. (I probably am.)
Here’s hoping.
That’s part of why Halo Wars 2 takes place outside of the galaxy. They’ve written into a difficult position in the galaxy. It’s just like why Mass Effect 4 is going outside of the galaxy, because of Mass Effect 3’s ending.