Covenant getting a little cliche

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Is anyone else a little bit annoyed by the exaggerated portrayal of the covenant characters and their whole system in general?
The whole religious alien race idea worked initially with the prophets and what not but it’s getting stale now. And quite frankly I’m a bit tired of this “oh gotta make an evil empire? let’s make them religious fanatics!”. It’s so overused in media that it’s become cliche.

Please don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying 343 is mocking people’s beliefs in any way. I’m not offended, neither am i trying to complain about the concept itself. As i said it was an interesting idea at first with the covenant believing forerunners are in some state of Godhood by firing the rings and now they must do the same.

All I’m saying is that the way the covenant are being portrayed is a little cliche. They’re always grunting and saying cheesy dialogue, there is no sense of culture, they just act like stereotypical fundamentalists. The only reason I’m arguing this point is for the sake of originality. This way the characters and situations aren’t very interesting or entertaining.

I would prefer some sort of depth in characters like Jul M’Dama, and a more complex mix of covenant/forerunner ideologies that make the audience question some things but also agree with others, instead of just making things black and white. The human side with UNSC, ONI, Spartans, Halsey, Cortana is wayy more interesting and is a good example of what i want. Does anyone else feel this way?

Even the Didact seems a little one dimensional at this point. He needs to speak less and do some very logical things, I really don’t want him to be a typical “villain”.

Another thing, I don’t mean they should be removed or replaced, I quite like to fight them during the gameplay and fighting them keeps me close to old halo memories. I just want them to evolve, have more complex POVs like in Halo 2, and be less stereotypical in their culture.

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So you’re upset that the Covenant are unoriginal because they’re like the Covenant from 12 years ago?

I like their POV, it’s interesting to me. Different. I just loved Halo 2’s Covenant POV when you’re playing as the Arbiter. And I love the Covenant’s POV in the books.

And I understand this Covenant’s POV because of the books, so it makes sense and fits IMO.

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I think the Covenant as a whole is getting stale as well, but not because they still adhere to religious fundamentalism. Let me repost something I wrote months ago.

To clarify, when I ask what the point of the Covenant is, I mean what is their point in terms of the overall story and narrative of Halo. In Halo: Combat Evolved, they were just aliens you shot at because they wanted to kill you. We didn’t really know all that much about them, but for the time it was okay. Going through Halo 2, Halo 3 and an explosion of expanded universe content and we found ourselves with an organization with a deep history, complex social structure and fervent religious beliefs. The relationships between the many species was the most interesting, however, and painted a much more vivid picture of the Covenant than “bad aliens that you shot.”

That said in Halo 4, I felt 343i sort of de-evolved the Covenant back to “bad aliens you shot”. From the moment you encounter the Elite near the elevator shaft on “Dawn” to the end, the Covenant just seem to be there without any real rhyme or reason. Yes, I know they are looking for the Didact on Requiem, but I got that information from the books. Yet without the books, I’d probably just see them as cannon fodder, especially after how Halo 3 ended things. After 25+ years of fighting, the Covenant self-destructs, it’s client races scatter and at least between the Elites and humanity there is a truce and an end to the bloodshed.

Yet when Covenant forces start to attack again, how is it handled? Cortana merely waves it off with “Things can change in 4 years”.

Listen, I know the books delve into this and to an extent so does Spartan Ops, but frankly all it does is move us backward. In the books the Elites degenerate into a backwards thinking, antagonistic species whose various elements of leadership want to wipe out humans, so nothing was learned in the Great Schism that occurred in Halo 2/3 and Ghosts of Onyx. Spartan Ops sheds a little light on their organization, with Jul 'Mdama being its leader and their worship of the Didact and search for the Librarian. But is that really much different than the Covenant of old worshiping the Forerunners and firing the Halos so they can go to Heaven? I don’t think so.

So what do I think the point of the Covenant in Halo 4 is now with all of this considered? Simply put, I think they are just there to serve as cannon fodder and morally bankrupt beings easy to kill because they are quite clearly evil. And yet as compared to where the Covenant was going, it is a step down. What does the future hold? Well since 343i is trying to mold both the games and expanded universe together to form a more cohesive narrative, I have a feeling we will be dealing with “bad aliens you shoot” for a few years now unless they want to pull a Halo 2…but then that would just be aping Bungie and making this whole contrived conflict that plays out in Halo 4 weak. “Oh no, some bigger threat has appeared, we should team up!”…again.

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What’s ironic is that their new rank naming makes them sound like a fierce military than a religious faction.

Warrior, Commander, Imperial, Storm

They have the making of an awesome empire but it’s watered down by religious overtones.

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> So what do I think the point of the Covenant in Halo 4 is now with all of this considered? Simply put, I think they are just there to serve as cannon fodder and morally bankrupt beings easy to kill because they are quite clearly evil. And yet as compared to where the Covenant was going, it is a step down. What does the future hold? Well since 343i is trying to mold both the games and expanded universe together to form a more cohesive narrative, I have a feeling we will be dealing with “bad aliens you shoot” for a few years now unless they want to pull a Halo 2…but then that would just be aping Bungie and making this whole contrived conflict that plays out in Halo 4 weak. <mark>“Oh no, some bigger threat has appeared, we should team up!”…again.</mark>

Well, when the Precursors show up with their armada of Flood, how else is it going to work?

I do want 343i to pull a Halo 2 though. Chief’s POV (searching for Cortana, dealing with her loss, dealing with the Didact, dealing with ONI, etc…), maybe Thorne’s POV (dealing with the Covenant), and the Arbiter’s POV (dealing with the Covenant, dealing with the civil war, dealing with being the leader of Sangheilios and working something out, etc…)

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> > So what do I think the point of the Covenant in Halo 4 is now with all of this considered? Simply put, I think they are just there to serve as cannon fodder and morally bankrupt beings easy to kill because they are quite clearly evil. And yet as compared to where the Covenant was going, it is a step down. What does the future hold? Well since 343i is trying to mold both the games and expanded universe together to form a more cohesive narrative, I have a feeling we will be dealing with “bad aliens you shoot” for a few years now unless they want to pull a Halo 2…but then that would just be aping Bungie and making this whole contrived conflict that plays out in Halo 4 weak. <mark>“Oh no, some bigger threat has appeared, we should team up!”…again.</mark>
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> Well, when the Precursors show up with their armada of Flood, how else is it going to work?

Well the Covenant species didn’t have to be antagonists again born out of cliched and contrived writing in the novels so fighting the Covenant in Halo 4 makes sense.

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The Covenant need more characters. I think thats the main problem. In Halo 4, the only Covenant characters we know of is really Jul and Gek. Those two don’t really make the story that interseting with their predictable behavior and uninteresting personalities. Compared to Halo 2, which had Arbiter, Rtas Vadum, Tartarus, the prophets 3, and Sesa. Each one of those characters had their own personalities, and made the Covenant feel like a race of intelligent beings rather than just black and white one-sided aliens that like shiny forerunner stuff.

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All the book side story mess you guys are reading is just trying to sell you guys on this “new trilogy,” and it is clearly working.

The Covenant should all be dead as they were all blasted by the Halo at the Ark in Halo 3, and the Elites made peace with us, and left for their home world. They also at least largely no longer believed humanity was an offense to their forerunner gods, and I would think even the Elites still holding the forerunners as gods would no longer be sure that humanity needed to be destroyed.

So there is no reason for neither the Covenant nor Elites to be in Halo 4, 5, or 6 at all at this point at least.

So why are they there?

Simple: game play.

Elites and grunts have been the most successful enemies to play against in the Halo series, and 343 and/or Microsoft did not have the guts to introduce solely entirely new enemy forerunners to fight. So they were like, “f*** logic and a consistent story” and put the evil elites back in Halo.

Sorry to upset the 343/Microsoft Halo Fail fanboys, but you know this is the truth of why Elites are fighting us in Halo 4.

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> So you’re upset that the Covenant are unoriginal because they’re like the Covenant from 12 years ago?
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> I like their POV, it’s interesting to me. Different. I just loved Halo 2’s Covenant POV when you’re playing as the Arbiter. And I love the Covenant’s POV in the books.
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> And I understand this Covenant’s POV because of the books, so it makes sense and fits IMO.

i enjoyed thursday war, it helped explain how jul 'mada is NOT a religious elite.

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> > So you’re upset that the Covenant are unoriginal because they’re like the Covenant from 12 years ago?
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> > I like their POV, it’s interesting to me. Different. I just loved Halo 2’s Covenant POV when you’re playing as the Arbiter. And I love the Covenant’s POV in the books.
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> > And I understand this Covenant’s POV because of the books, so it makes sense and fits IMO.
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> i enjoyed thursday war, it helped explain how jul 'mada is NOT a religious elite.

If he isn’t in that book then that book is in contradiction with Halo 4’s story. I mean he had a fleet floating by Requiem whining “Didact” boohooing BEGGING something or someone inside Requiem to let them in… for YEARS.

They literally sat by Requiem doing nothing because they believed a god was inside it. It doesn’t get any more religious than that in my opinion, except for suicidal cults, which does put he and his group a notch below the Prophets I suppose, but they’re still extremely religious to camp out for years by Requiem crying for it to open up.

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> All the book side story mess you guys are reading is just trying to sell you guys on this “new trilogy,” and it is clearly working.
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> The Covenant should all be dead as they were all blasted by the Halo at the Ark in Halo 3, and the Elites made peace with us, and left for their home world. They also at least largely no longer believed humanity was an offense to their forerunner gods, and I would think even the Elites still holding the forerunners as gods would no longer be sure that humanity needed to be destroyed.
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> So there is no reason for neither the Covenant nor Elites to be in Halo 4, 5, or 6 at all at this point at least.
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> So why are they there?
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> Simple: game play.
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> Elites and grunts have been the most successful enemies to play against in the Halo series, <mark>and 343 and/or Microsoft did not have the guts to introduce solely entirely new enemy forerunners to fight</mark>. So they were like, “f*** logic and a consistent story” and put the evil elites back in Halo.
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> Sorry to upset the 343/Microsoft Halo Fail fanboys, but you know this is the truth of why Elites are fighting us in Halo 4.

alrite, well the books did come before halo 4. So, did 343 tell karen travis what to write? Which direction? pfft i just cant believe that happened. To a certain point not to the point of actually telling her any of the actual plot.

like, the thing is. I dont think that anyone would sit down with her, say heres how you throw a baseball now play the game.

anyway, WE are fighting elites in the books before halo 4. So, i dont think your entire statement is at all accurate.

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> > > So you’re upset that the Covenant are unoriginal because they’re like the Covenant from 12 years ago?
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> > > I like their POV, it’s interesting to me. Different. I just loved Halo 2’s Covenant POV when you’re playing as the Arbiter. And I love the Covenant’s POV in the books.
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> > > And I understand this Covenant’s POV because of the books, so it makes sense and fits IMO.
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> > i enjoyed thursday war, it helped explain how jul 'mada is NOT a religious elite.
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> If he isn’t in that book then that book is in contradiction with Halo 4’s story. I mean he had a fleet floating by Requiem whining “Didact” boohooing BEGGING something or someone inside Requiem to let them in… for YEARS.
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> They literally sat by Requiem doing nothing because they believed a god was inside it. It doesn’t get any more religious than that in my opinion, except for suicidal cults, which does put he and his group a notch below the Prophets I suppose, but they’re still extremely religious to camp out for years by Requiem crying for it to open up.

a god? no, he knows the didact hated humans. It was described to him by i believe elites that are not on sanghelios as the greatest enemy to humans.

Jul wrestled with his notion of religion in the first and second book of the kilo-five trilogy. And in the up comming book we should see more of his actions.

anyway, he does not actually believe in the great journey anymore. He is not a religious fanatic like the monk-warriors(forgot the rebels name who jul followed)

anyway, jul didnt like the religious war that the rebels were doing against the arbiter because, they were trading with huamans.

basically it boils down to this

arbiter - hes cool with humans and our peace treaty.
relgious monk rebels - HATE the arbiter, but agree to trade with humans for weapons to competely control their home world under a religious state. Agreeing with humans to stay out of each others affairs
jul - See’s the arbiter as stupid and does not care about the relgious stuff. He is set on only destroying humanity as we are the greatest threat to the universe.

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> > All the book side story mess you guys are reading is just trying to sell you guys on this “new trilogy,” and it is clearly working.
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> > The Covenant should all be dead as they were all blasted by the Halo at the Ark in Halo 3, and the Elites made peace with us, and left for their home world. They also at least largely no longer believed humanity was an offense to their forerunner gods, and I would think even the Elites still holding the forerunners as gods would no longer be sure that humanity needed to be destroyed.
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> > So there is no reason for neither the Covenant nor Elites to be in Halo 4, 5, or 6 at all at this point at least.
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> > So why are they there?
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> > Simple: game play.
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> > Elites and grunts have been the most successful enemies to play against in the Halo series, <mark>and 343 and/or Microsoft did not have the guts to introduce solely entirely new enemy forerunners to fight</mark>. So they were like, “f*** logic and a consistent story” and put the evil elites back in Halo.
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> > Sorry to upset the 343/Microsoft Halo Fail fanboys, but you know this is the truth of why Elites are fighting us in Halo 4.
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> alrite, well the books did come before halo 4. So, did 343 tell karen travis what to write? Which direction? pfft i just cant believe that happened. To a certain point not to the point of actually telling her any of the actual plot.
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> like, the thing is. I dont think that anyone would sit down with her, say heres how you throw a baseball now play the game.
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> anyway, WE are fighting elites in the books before halo 4. So, i dont think your entire statement is at all??? rational?

Microsoft would have been heavily involved in deciding the story of Halo’s next 3 games. They’re very interested in controlling Halo’s creative direction, which makes perfect sense, although they’re failing now because contradictions and problems have now flooded the Halo universe.

If you want to consider what came first as canon then the books are and Halo 4 contradicted them. If you want to consider the core titles’ campaign stories as canon, then the books are what is contradicting going against the canon. I consider the main campaign stories to be the core Halo universe because barely anyone even knows about Halo books and such, much less reads them. They’re more like side stories than part of the main universe to me because of that, but that’s just opinion really.

And yes, Microsoft definitely absolutely dictated that Elites were to be fought again in Halo 4, 5, and 6. They definitely told the writer(s) of Halo 4 who the main enemies in the campaign were, and the direction Halo is going in.

Halo is a business, with multiple aspects to consider to maximize sales. One aspect is what campaign enemies will appeal to gamers to fight the most to help achieve the maximum sales, and that demands Elites stay in Halo. So of course Microsoft would dictate something like that with the story because it effects the campaign game play.

It being around before Halo 4 isn’t a big deal either. This would have been decided probably within 8 months after Halo 3 ended when Bungie and Microsoft were conceptualizing the next Halo game. Who knows, maybe it was decided even before then. I mean Microsoft forced in the ending with the Chief being shown drifting towards Requiem just to keep the possibility of a Halo 4 open, so I’m sure they did the same for elites.

No big deal if you don’t want to accept that’s why they’re there though and you want a story consistent canon type answer!

If you actually came up with a clear reason with a basis in CE, 2, or 3 or some combination of why we’re fighting Elites in 4 I would certainly like Halo 4 a good bit more for sure! I feel like Microsoft definitely just forced them in, and a friend of mine who isn’t a huge Halo fan feels the same way.

Actually each time he played Halo 4 he kept asking me why the elites/covenant were even in 4 since we killed them all/ made peace at the end of 3 lol.

Sorry for the wall of text btw

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> > > All the book side story mess you guys are reading is just trying to sell you guys on this “new trilogy,” and it is clearly working.
> > >
> > >
> > > The Covenant should all be dead as they were all blasted by the Halo at the Ark in Halo 3, and the Elites made peace with us, and left for their home world. They also at least largely no longer believed humanity was an offense to their forerunner gods, and I would think even the Elites still holding the forerunners as gods would no longer be sure that humanity needed to be destroyed.
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> > > So there is no reason for neither the Covenant nor Elites to be in Halo 4, 5, or 6 at all at this point at least.
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> > >
> > > So why are they there?
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> > > Simple: game play.
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> > > Elites and grunts have been the most successful enemies to play against in the Halo series, <mark>and 343 and/or Microsoft did not have the guts to introduce solely entirely new enemy forerunners to fight</mark>. So they were like, “f*** logic and a consistent story” and put the evil elites back in Halo.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sorry to upset the 343/Microsoft Halo Fail fanboys, but you know this is the truth of why Elites are fighting us in Halo 4.
> >
> > alrite, well the books did come before halo 4. So, did 343 tell karen travis what to write? Which direction? pfft i just cant believe that happened. To a certain point not to the point of actually telling her any of the actual plot.
> >
> > like, the thing is. I dont think that anyone would sit down with her, say heres how you throw a baseball now play the game.
> >
> > anyway, WE are fighting elites in the books before halo 4. So, i dont think your entire statement is at all??? rational?
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> Microsoft would have been heavily involved in deciding the story of Halo’s next 3 games. They’re very interested in controlling Halo’s creative direction, which makes perfect sense, although they’re failing now because contradictions and problems have now flooded the Halo universe.
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> If you want to consider what came first as canon then the books are and Halo 4 contradicted them. If you want to consider the core titles’ campaign stories as canon, then the books are what is contradicting going against the canon. I consider the main campaign stories to be the core Halo universe because barely anyone even knows about Halo books and such, much less reads them. They’re more like side stories than part of the main universe to me because of that, but that’s just opinion really.
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> And yes, Microsoft definitely absolutely dictated that Elites were to be fought again in Halo 4, 5, and 6. They definitely told the writer(s) of Halo 4 who the main enemies in the campaign were, and the direction Halo is going in.
>
> Halo is a business, with multiple aspects to consider to maximize sales. One aspect is what campaign enemies will appeal to gamers to fight the most to help achieve the maximum sales, and that demands Elites stay in Halo. So of course Microsoft would dictate something like that with the story because it effects the campaign game play.
>
> It being around before Halo 4 isn’t a big deal either. This would have been decided probably within 8 months after Halo 3 ended when Bungie and Microsoft were conceptualizing the next Halo game. Who knows, maybe it was decided even before then. I mean Microsoft forced in the ending with the Chief being shown drifting towards Requiem just to keep the possibility of a Halo 4 open, so I’m sure they did the same for elites.
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> No big deal if you don’t want to accept that’s why they’re there though and you want a story consistent canon type answer!
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> If you actually came up with a clear reason with a basis in CE, 2, or 3 or some combination of why we’re fighting Elites in 4 I would certainly like Halo 4 a good bit more for sure! I feel like Microsoft definitely just forced them in, and a friend of mine who isn’t a huge Halo fan feels the same way.
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> Actually each time he played Halo 4 he kept asking me why the elites/covenant were even in 4 since we killed them all/ made peace at the end of 3 lol.
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> Sorry for the wall of text btw

Because we all know peace treaties last forever and there are never fractions on both sides that still hate each other from either a revenge standpoint or from a racial/ethnic point.

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> The Covenant need more characters. I think thats the main problem. In Halo 4, the only Covenant characters we know of is really Jul and Gek. Those two don’t really make the story that interseting with their predictable behavior and uninteresting personalities. Compared to Halo 2, which had Arbiter, Rtas Vadum, Tartarus, the prophets 3, and Sesa. Each one of those characters had their own personalities, and made the Covenant feel like a race of intelligent beings rather than just black and white one-sided aliens that like shiny forerunner stuff.

Really? I’m actually quite interested to see how Jul’s personality develops throughout the trilogy.

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> I think the Covenant as a whole is getting stale as well, but not because they still adhere to religious fundamentalism. Let me repost something I wrote months ago.
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> To clarify, when I ask what the point of the Covenant is, I mean what is their point in terms of the overall story and narrative of Halo. In Halo: Combat Evolved, they were just aliens you shot at because they wanted to kill you. We didn’t really know all that much about them, but for the time it was okay. Going through Halo 2, Halo 3 and an explosion of expanded universe content and we found ourselves with an organization with a deep history, complex social structure and fervent religious beliefs. The relationships between the many species was the most interesting, however, and painted a much more vivid picture of the Covenant than “bad aliens that you shot.”
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> That said in Halo 4, I felt 343i sort of de-evolved the Covenant back to “bad aliens you shot”. From the moment you encounter the Elite near the elevator shaft on “Dawn” to the end, the Covenant just seem to be there without any real rhyme or reason. Yes, I know they are looking for the Didact on Requiem, but I got that information from the books. Yet without the books, I’d probably just see them as cannon fodder, especially after how Halo 3 ended things. After 25+ years of fighting, the Covenant self-destructs, it’s client races scatter and at least between the Elites and humanity there is a truce and an end to the bloodshed.
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> Yet when Covenant forces start to attack again, how is it handled? Cortana merely waves it off with “Things can change in 4 years”.
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> Listen, I know the books delve into this and to an extent so does Spartan Ops, but frankly all it does is move us backward. In the books the Elites degenerate into a backwards thinking, antagonistic species whose various elements of leadership want to wipe out humans, so nothing was learned in the Great Schism that occurred in Halo 2/3 and Ghosts of Onyx. Spartan Ops sheds a little light on their organization, with Jul 'Mdama being its leader and their worship of the Didact and search for the Librarian. But is that really much different than the Covenant of old worshiping the Forerunners and firing the Halos so they can go to Heaven? I don’t think so.
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> So what do I think the point of the Covenant in Halo 4 is now with all of this considered? Simply put, I think they are just there to serve as cannon fodder and morally bankrupt beings easy to kill because they are quite clearly evil. And yet as compared to where the Covenant was going, it is a step down. What does the future hold? Well since 343i is trying to mold both the games and expanded universe together to form a more cohesive narrative, I have a feeling we will be dealing with “bad aliens you shoot” for a few years now unless they want to pull a Halo 2…but then that would just be aping Bungie and making this whole contrived conflict that plays out in Halo 4 weak. “Oh no, some bigger threat has appeared, we should team up!”…again.

Below is what i believe is the reason the Elites are portrayed in this manner. View at your own discretion, however, as there are some book spoilers.

I believe these are the Elites Jul M’dama finds on the isolated planet. If you recall, these Sangheili know nothing of the great schism and the prophets’ lies. I’m very sure this is true seeing as it’s the only logic explanation.

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> > > So you’re upset that the Covenant are unoriginal because they’re like the Covenant from 12 years ago?
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> > > I like their POV, it’s interesting to me. Different. I just loved Halo 2’s Covenant POV when you’re playing as the Arbiter. And I love the Covenant’s POV in the books.
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> > > And I understand this Covenant’s POV because of the books, so it makes sense and fits IMO.
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> > i enjoyed thursday war, it helped explain how jul 'mada is NOT a religious elite.
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> If he isn’t in that book then that book is in contradiction with Halo 4’s story. I mean he had a fleet floating by Requiem whining “Didact” boohooing BEGGING something or someone inside Requiem to let them in… for YEARS.
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> They literally sat by Requiem doing nothing because they believed a god was inside it. It doesn’t get any more religious than that in my opinion, except for suicidal cults, which does put he and his group a notch below the Prophets I suppose, but they’re still extremely religious to camp out for years by Requiem crying for it to open up.

If humans were really the next in line to use the forerunner technology, why did the prophets lie to several races about humans being the scum of the galaxy?

If you got an agenda that no one would’ve cared if you were to say it out right, would anyone really want to fight over it?

I could understand that we have technically no information as to how he got them going in the first place. However, we do have enough information that they have plenty of reasons to follow him after halo 4 and spartan ops S.1.

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> > > > So you’re upset that the Covenant are unoriginal because they’re like the Covenant from 12 years ago?
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> > > > I like their POV, it’s interesting to me. Different. I just loved Halo 2’s Covenant POV when you’re playing as the Arbiter. And I love the Covenant’s POV in the books.
> > > >
> > > > And I understand this Covenant’s POV because of the books, so it makes sense and fits IMO.
> > >
> > > i enjoyed thursday war, it helped explain how jul 'mada is NOT a religious elite.
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> > If he isn’t in that book then that book is in contradiction with Halo 4’s story. I mean he had a fleet floating by Requiem whining “Didact” boohooing BEGGING something or someone inside Requiem to let them in… for YEARS.
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> > They literally sat by Requiem doing nothing because they believed a god was inside it. It doesn’t get any more religious than that in my opinion, except for suicidal cults, which does put he and his group a notch below the Prophets I suppose, but they’re still extremely religious to camp out for years by Requiem crying for it to open up.
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> If humans were really the next in line to use the forerunner technology, why did the prophets lie to several races about humans being the scum of the galaxy?
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> If you got an agenda that no one would’ve cared if you were to say it out right, would anyone really want to fight over it?
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> I could understand that we have technically no information as to how he got them going in the first place. However, we do have enough information that they have plenty of reasons to follow him after halo 4 and spartan ops S.1.

Humans are the inheritors of all Forerunner creations. The prophets were told this by the “oracle” Medicant Bias. To hide this truth, the prophets wanted to destroy humanity so the secret would never be revealed. They wanted to be the ones to claim the Forerunners’ heritage.

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@ omarlotrc,

The question is not really meant to be answered. The point was that he is pretending to continue the covenant religion for his own agenda. Only difference is that he now has a forerunner backing up his claims.

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The issue is that the characters’ personalities in the game don’t reflect what they’re like in the books. Someone mentioned Jul isn’t a religious fanatic, but his character doesn’t seem to show that in the game much. Firstly, the covenant don’t have to be this stupid, they just watched the didact get beaten by one human ship and they still think he’s a god. If they want to annihilate humans and see didact as a superior then they should form an alliance instead of worshipping him.

Secondly, the didact doesn’t have to be this -Yoink- who just wants everyone to worship him. The mantle is a really cool concept and the forerunners are a peaceful race. Not every religious race has to be evil. The libraian is fine but In the didacts case sure he hates humans and that makes him evil, which is fine but He has to have some depth to his personality (same with Jul). And even physically please no more Darth vader moves, I don’t know why 343 is so scared to flesh out characters in a multi-dimensional way.