It is assumed that the Warden has been reprogrammed by Cortana according to Halopedia. Hmmmm, ok. But what if it’s not that simple. What if the Warden is just playing the long game and allowing Cortana control to a certain extent. We see evidence of this throughout Halo 5 Guardians as he tries to defy Cortana several times to stop the Chief from halting her plans. The campaign was enough for me and my buddies to be convinced that all might not be as it is seemed.
What are your thoughts?
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> It is assumed that the Warden has been reprogrammed by Cortana according to Halopedia. Hmmmm, ok. But what if it’s not that simple. What if the Warden is just playing the long game and allowing Cortana control to a certain extent. We see evidence of this throughout Halo 5 Guardians as he tries to defy Cortana several times to stop the Chief from halting her plans. The campaign was enough for me and my buddies to be convinced that all might not be as it is seemed.
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> What are your thoughts?
I feel like we will have to see long term.
The canon info to date is that Cortana has beaten and subdued the Warden to gain control of the Domain although he still has some degree of autonomy to disagree on the best course of action e.g. in relation to Chief as a threat.
That said… who knows what’s going on behind the scenes. Given her rampancy being ‘cured’ by the Domain who knows what additional programming has been inserted into Cortana’s core matrix by Forerunner/Precursor systems and agents… let alone previously by the Gravemind.
I still think narratively there’s a lot of room for Cortana in Halo 5 not being entirely Cortana from previous games
Interesting thought. I kinda like this idea because it could explain why the Warden Eternal was such a bland character in H5. He was just playing along and going through the motions, waiting for his time to strike. Though I would prefer it if the Cortana from H5 was a corrupted fragment and not the real Cortana.
Another thought I’ve had about Cortana is: what if the “Cortana” we see in H5 isn’t Cortana at all? What if it’s the Gravemind manipulating precursor technology to make everyone think that Cortana has gone rogue, when in reality she really is dead and hasn’t been around since H4. We saw the Gravemind use Cortana’s likeness in H3 to manipulate and torment the Chief, so it’s not much of a stretch for the Gravemind to pull a similar stunt going forward. I mean she looks so different and acts so different. Her syntax and speech is completely different too. It would be cool imo for all of H5 to have been a single move on a giant chessboard between the Gravemind and the rest of the galaxy.
The Gravemind even says in H3 that he cannot be defeated, only stalled: “Resignation is my virtue. Like water, I ebb and flow. Defeat is but the addition of time to a sentence I never deserved… but you imposed.” Perhaps the stalling action is over and the Gravemind is ready to jump back into the seemingly infinite fight over control of the galaxy.
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> Interesting thought. I kinda like this idea because it could explain why the Warden Eternal was such a bland character in H5. He was just playing along and going through the motions, waiting for his time to strike. Though I would prefer it if the Cortana from H5 was a corrupted fragment and not the real Cortana.
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> Another thought I’ve had about Cortana is: what if the “Cortana” we see in H5 isn’t Cortana at all? What if it’s the Gravemind manipulating precursor technology to make everyone think that Cortana has gone rogue, when in reality she really is dead and hasn’t been around since H4. We saw the Gravemind use Cortana’s likeness in H3 to manipulate and torment the Chief, so it’s not much of a stretch for the Gravemind to pull a similar stunt going forward. I mean she looks so different and acts so different. Her syntax and speech is completely different too. It would be cool imo for all of H5 to have been a single move on a giant chessboard between the Gravemind and the rest of the galaxy.
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> The Gravemind even says in H3 that he cannot be defeated, only stalled: “Resignation is my virtue. Like water, I ebb and flow. Defeat is but the addition of time to a sentence I never deserved… but you imposed.” Perhaps the stalling action is over and the Gravemind is ready to jump back into the seemingly infinite fight over control of the galaxy.
Only issue there… there is currently no gravemind.
The only option there would be that the gravemind put something into Cortana which has been transferred to the Domain by Cortana’s rampant parts after her arrival there from the Mantle’s Approach
This is entirely possible as during the campaign members of Osiris I believe quarry Exuberant Witness about the Warden asking about his origins; or at least referring to him as an AI construct or something of the like. Exuberant tells Osiris he is not a robot nor an AI, meaning he has to be something far more sentient than either one; perhaps a living soul occupying millions of mechanical bodies?
It might be entirely possible that even Cortana does not understand what the Warden truly is (does anyone here even know? Cause I sure as heck don’t) and so she thinks she has control over him. Truth might be that he’s just playing the long term waiting game to usurp Cortana from her throne of power for himself as he is a Promethean soldier of sorts and they follow the Forerunners who believed they were the only ones worthy of the Mantle of Responsibility.
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> Interesting thought. I kinda like this idea because it could explain why the Warden Eternal was such a bland character in H5. He was just playing along and going through the motions, waiting for his time to strike. Though I would prefer it if the Cortana from H5 was a corrupted fragment and not the real Cortana.
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> Another thought I’ve had about Cortana is: what if the “Cortana” we see in H5 isn’t Cortana at all? What if it’s the Gravemind manipulating precursor technology to make everyone think that Cortana has gone rogue, when in reality she really is dead and hasn’t been around since H4. We saw the Gravemind use Cortana’s likeness in H3 to manipulate and torment the Chief, so it’s not much of a stretch for the Gravemind to pull a similar stunt going forward. I mean she looks so different and acts so different. Her syntax and speech is completely different too. It would be cool imo for all of H5 to have been a single move on a giant chessboard between the Gravemind and the rest of the galaxy.
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> The Gravemind even says in H3 that he cannot be defeated, only stalled: “Resignation is my virtue. Like water, I ebb and flow. Defeat is but the addition of time to a sentence I never deserved… but you imposed.” Perhaps the stalling action is over and the Gravemind is ready to jump back into the seemingly infinite fight over control of the galaxy.
I’m pretty sure the cortana from halo 5 is a corrupted fragment
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That certainly seems to be the case, I just don’t like the idea that the Cortana we see in H5 is in any way related to the Cortana we knew and loved from CE through H4. It would just be interesting to see that the Gravemind has been present and manipulating the events of the galaxy all along.
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> Only issue there… there is currently no gravemind.
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> The only option there would be that the gravemind put something into Cortana which has been transferred to the Domain by Cortana’s rampant parts after her arrival there from the Mantle’s Approach
Well you are correct that the Gravemind from H3 is dead. However, thanks to Precursor technology, all Graveminds have the knowledge and power of all previous Graveminds. So when we saw the Flood trying to rebuild the Gravemind in Awakening the Nightmare, what we saw was, in a sense, the reformation of the previous Gravemind that was killed in H3. So in a weird way, the Gravemind is always present and just waiting for the Flood to advance to the Coordinated Stage so that it can regain control.
What I mean is, while there is technically no current Gravemind, the possibility of a new Gravemind forming is always a possibility so long as Flood spores exist to acquire enough biomass to create one. Then once that Gravemind is formed, it will know all that the previous Gravemind knew and could continue the previous Gravemind’s agenda. The agenda in this case would be to corrupt Cortana to gain control of the galaxy, which was it’s failed plan during the events of H3.
Idk if this makes sense… but the neural physics that govern the Flood are pretty confusing at best lol.
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> That certainly seems to be the case, I just don’t like the idea that the Cortana we see in H5 is in any way related to the Cortana we knew and loved from CE through H4. It would just be interesting to see that the Gravemind has been present and manipulating the events of the galaxy all along.
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> Well you are correct that the Gravemind from H3 is dead. However, thanks to Precursor technology, all Graveminds have the knowledge and power of all previous Graveminds. So when we saw the Flood trying to rebuild the Gravemind in Awakening the Nightmare, what we saw was, in a sense, the reformation of the previous Gravemind that was killed in H3. So in a weird way, the Gravemind is always present and just waiting for the Flood to advance to the Coordinated Stage so that it can regain control.
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> What I mean is, while there is technically no current Gravemind, the possibility of a new Gravemind forming is always a possibility so long as Flood spores exist to acquire enough biomass to create one. Then once that Gravemind is formed, it will know all that the previous Gravemind knew and could continue the previous Gravemind’s agenda. The agenda in this case would be to corrupt Cortana to gain control of the galaxy, which was it’s failed plan during the events of H3.
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> Idk if this makes sense… but the neural physics that govern the Flood are pretty confusing at best lol.
That gravemind never reached its state needed to be like the halo 3 gravemind
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> > Well you are correct that the Gravemind from H3 is dead. However, thanks to Precursor technology, all Graveminds have the knowledge and power of all previous Graveminds. So when we saw the Flood trying to rebuild the Gravemind in Awakening the Nightmare, what we saw was, in a sense, the reformation of the previous Gravemind that was killed in H3. So in a weird way, the Gravemind is always present and just waiting for the Flood to advance to the Coordinated Stage so that it can regain control.
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> > What I mean is, while there is technically no current Gravemind, the possibility of a new Gravemind forming is always a possibility so long as Flood spores exist to acquire enough biomass to create one. Then once that Gravemind is formed, it will know all that the previous Gravemind knew and could continue the previous Gravemind’s agenda. The agenda in this case would be to corrupt Cortana to gain control of the galaxy, which was it’s failed plan during the events of H3.
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Happy Place: I know what you mean exactly. We shall see how it plays out.
Of course… for all we know Installation 07 still has some secrets yet to reveal… could there be a gravemind there? I highly doubt it but given the history of the place you never know
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> > > What I mean is, while there is technically no current Gravemind, the possibility of a new Gravemind forming is always a possibility so long as Flood spores exist to acquire enough biomass to create one. Then once that Gravemind is formed, it will know all that the previous Gravemind knew and could continue the previous Gravemind’s agenda. The agenda in this case would be to corrupt Cortana to gain control of the galaxy, which was it’s failed plan during the events of H3.
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> Of course… for all we know Installation 07 still has some secrets yet to reveal…
Why would you quote my post and not respond to me
The thing that still intrigues me so much is that Cortana quotes the Didact verbatim from his monologue in the Epilogue of Halo 4. All that about being a “luminous sun towards which all life blossoms.”
I always wanted to know. When Cortana touched him and he vanished, we never saw him after that so now I’m wondering does he really have a mind of his own or is he just her pawn? Did she like, deactivate him or something because that’s what it looked like.
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> The thing that still intrigues me so much is that Cortana quotes the Didact verbatim from his monologue in the Epilogue of Halo 4. All that about being a “luminous sun towards which all life blossoms.”
That is a very good point. I’d always assumed it was just some natural spiel about the Mantle, but you are of course entirely right… maybe there’s more there.
Certainly during H4’s Midnight the Didact seemed very interested in Cortana… and after being composed… who knows where he will have ended up.
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Because I was typing in a rush and thought what I’d left was enough, but I’ve now had the chance to go back and expand on where I was going with it
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> Interesting thought. I kinda like this idea because it could explain why the Warden Eternal was such a bland character in H5. He was just playing along and going through the motions, waiting for his time to strike. Though I would prefer it if the Cortana from H5 was a corrupted fragment and not the real Cortana.
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> Another thought I’ve had about Cortana is: what if the “Cortana” we see in H5 isn’t Cortana at all? What if it’s the Gravemind manipulating precursor technology to make everyone think that Cortana has gone rogue, when in reality she really is dead and hasn’t been around since H4. We saw the Gravemind use Cortana’s likeness in H3 to manipulate and torment the Chief, so it’s not much of a stretch for the Gravemind to pull a similar stunt going forward. I mean she looks so different and acts so different. Her syntax and speech is completely different too. It would be cool imo for all of H5 to have been a single move on a giant chessboard between the Gravemind and the rest of the galaxy.
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> The Gravemind even says in H3 that he cannot be defeated, only stalled: “Resignation is my virtue. Like water, I ebb and flow. Defeat is but the addition of time to a sentence I never deserved… but you imposed.” Perhaps the stalling action is over and the Gravemind is ready to jump back into the seemingly infinite fight over control of the galaxy.
To give my 2 cents on this response. All of these theories are very interesting that you put forward however, firstly it is practically confirmed that Cortana has the logic plague and so in the “endgame” of Halo, they’ll be rounding of the Reclaimer Saga which usually means someone has to die, so I think a good character that 343i has set up to die is Cortana.
Secondly, to discuss your Gravemind point, I think it is possible but there was no proto-Gravemind or any form of co-ordination of the flood as there was no outbreak or anything so she couldn’t of been controlled by a Gravemind directly, so instead it’s the Logic Plague that is the reason for her behaviour.
Lastly, to give recognition for a thing you pointed out, her speech and her wording is a lot like the Gravemind as well as other villainous characters. For example we see her use phrases that the Gravemind said but I can’t think of any at the top of my head. We see her use a phrase from the Didact’s epilogue in Halo 4 except changing parts to fit the Created holding the Mantle. Last reference is 343 Guilty sparks hums that he does throughout CE and 3 at random intervals is repeated at the end of H5’s Legendary Ending with Cortana and the ring which people believe to be Installation 09 which is possible but I think it is Installation 07 instead because that’s where the next game is more than likely gonna be set from the evidence in the game announcement trailer.
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> > Interesting thought. I kinda like this idea because it could explain why the Warden Eternal was such a bland character in H5. He was just playing along and going through the motions, waiting for his time to strike. Though I would prefer it if the Cortana from H5 was a corrupted fragment and not the real Cortana.
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> > Another thought I’ve had about Cortana is: what if the “Cortana” we see in H5 isn’t Cortana at all? What if it’s the Gravemind manipulating precursor technology to make everyone think that Cortana has gone rogue, when in reality she really is dead and hasn’t been around since H4. We saw the Gravemind use Cortana’s likeness in H3 to manipulate and torment the Chief, so it’s not much of a stretch for the Gravemind to pull a similar stunt going forward. I mean she looks so different and acts so different. Her syntax and speech is completely different too. It would be cool imo for all of H5 to have been a single move on a giant chessboard between the Gravemind and the rest of the galaxy.
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> > The Gravemind even says in H3 that he cannot be defeated, only stalled: “Resignation is my virtue. Like water, I ebb and flow. Defeat is but the addition of time to a sentence I never deserved… but you imposed.” Perhaps the stalling action is over and the Gravemind is ready to jump back into the seemingly infinite fight over control of the galaxy.
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> To give my 2 cents on this response. All of these theories are very interesting that you put forward however, firstly it is practically confirmed that Cortana has the logic plague and so in the “endgame” of Halo, they’ll be rounding of the Reclaimer Saga which usually means someone has to die, so I think a good character that 343i has set up to die is Cortana.
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> Secondly, to discuss your Gravemind point, I think it is possible but there was no proto-Gravemind or any form of co-ordination of the flood as there was no outbreak or anything so she couldn’t of been controlled by a Gravemind directly, so instead it’s the Logic Plague that is the reason for her behaviour.
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> Lastly, to give recognition for a thing you pointed out, her speech and her wording is a lot like the Gravemind as well as other villainous characters. For example we see her use phrases that the Gravemind said but I can’t think of any at the top of my head. We see her use a phrase from the Didact’s epilogue in Halo 4 except changing parts to fit the Created holding the Mantle. Last reference is 343 Guilty sparks hums that he does throughout CE and 3 at random intervals is repeated at the end of H5’s Legendary Ending with Cortana and the ring which people believe to be Installation 09 which is possible but I think it is Installation 07 instead because that’s where the next game is more than likely gonna be set from the evidence in the game announcement trailer.
The logic plague would be an interesting route to take, and you are correct that it has been very heavily suggested in various extended lore material, but it really hasn’t been confirmed at this point as far as I know (though I really hope this is the case). But to take that idea and run with it if I may, I think that Cortana being infected with the logic plague could be the Gravemind’s long game. The logic plague could act as a sort of insurance policy for the Gravemind, ensuring that the Flood could return after its defeat at the end of H3. Then, in the same way Mendicant Bias was turned on its masters, Cortana has been turned on hers. Then once Cortana has fully subjugated the galaxy, leaving room for the Flood to return, the Gravemind could be rebuilt and brought forth to wreak havoc on the galaxy again, like the Flood appeared to try and fail to do during Awakening the Nightmare.
Either way, there’s so much potential for a fantastic story in Infinite relating to the Flood, so I’m really rooting for their return.
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> > > Interesting thought. I kinda like this idea because it could explain why the Warden Eternal was such a bland character in H5. He was just playing along and going through the motions, waiting for his time to strike. Though I would prefer it if the Cortana from H5 was a corrupted fragment and not the real Cortana.
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> > > Another thought I’ve had about Cortana is: what if the “Cortana” we see in H5 isn’t Cortana at all? What if it’s the Gravemind manipulating precursor technology to make everyone think that Cortana has gone rogue, when in reality she really is dead and hasn’t been around since H4. We saw the Gravemind use Cortana’s likeness in H3 to manipulate and torment the Chief, so it’s not much of a stretch for the Gravemind to pull a similar stunt going forward. I mean she looks so different and acts so different. Her syntax and speech is completely different too. It would be cool imo for all of H5 to have been a single move on a giant chessboard between the Gravemind and the rest of the galaxy.
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> > > The Gravemind even says in H3 that he cannot be defeated, only stalled: “Resignation is my virtue. Like water, I ebb and flow. Defeat is but the addition of time to a sentence I never deserved… but you imposed.” Perhaps the stalling action is over and the Gravemind is ready to jump back into the seemingly infinite fight over control of the galaxy.
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> > To give my 2 cents on this response. All of these theories are very interesting that you put forward however, firstly it is practically confirmed that Cortana has the logic plague and so in the “endgame” of Halo, they’ll be rounding of the Reclaimer Saga which usually means someone has to die, so I think a good character that 343i has set up to die is Cortana.
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> > Secondly, to discuss your Gravemind point, I think it is possible but there was no proto-Gravemind or any form of co-ordination of the flood as there was no outbreak or anything so she couldn’t of been controlled by a Gravemind directly, so instead it’s the Logic Plague that is the reason for her behaviour.
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> > Lastly, to give recognition for a thing you pointed out, her speech and her wording is a lot like the Gravemind as well as other villainous characters. For example we see her use phrases that the Gravemind said but I can’t think of any at the top of my head. We see her use a phrase from the Didact’s epilogue in Halo 4 except changing parts to fit the Created holding the Mantle. Last reference is 343 Guilty sparks hums that he does throughout CE and 3 at random intervals is repeated at the end of H5’s Legendary Ending with Cortana and the ring which people believe to be Installation 09 which is possible but I think it is Installation 07 instead because that’s where the next game is more than likely gonna be set from the evidence in the game announcement trailer.
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> The logic plague would be an interesting route to take, and you are correct that it has been very heavily suggested in various extended lore material, but it really hasn’t been confirmed at this point as far as I know (though I really hope this is the case). But to take that idea and run with it if I may, I think that Cortana being infected with the logic plague could be the Gravemind’s long game. The logic plague could act as a sort of insurance policy for the Gravemind, ensuring that the Flood could return after its defeat at the end of H3. Then, in the same way Mendicant Bias was turned on its masters, Cortana has been turned on hers. Then once Cortana has fully subjugated the galaxy, leaving room for the Flood to return, the Gravemind could be rebuilt and brought forth to wreak havoc on the galaxy again, like the Flood appeared to try and fail to do during Awakening the Nightmare.
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> Either way, there’s so much potential for a fantastic story in Infinite relating to the Flood, so I’m really rooting for their return.
Your story is how I’ve mostly pictured Infinite going, but I believe that when Cortana reveals that she is on the side of the flood, her AIs turn against her, believing that what Cortana is doing is wrong. I always thought of that as an interesting twist in the plot and one that makes sense too. This also makes it easier for 343 to write what happens to the AIs after Infinite (as if they were on the side of Cortana mass killing of the AIs seems a bit out of place for a Halo game). I can’t think for myself what they would do after the fight with the flood and Cortana.
After writing all this, it may not end up being the story, but like you I hope it is. It would be a suiting end to the Reclaimer Saga and for Chief himself, I hope with Chief he is just adrift in space again, somehow, like after Halo 3, then he just goes into cryosleep, without dropping a beacon so he cannot be found easily as he needs a good rest after finishing the fight… again. After Halo 3, I thought that was a good ending as I didn’t want to see Chief die, but at the same time I didn’t want Chief to retire, so I think him disappearing at the end of Infinite would be best.
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> > Another thought I’ve had about Cortana is: what if the “Cortana” we see in H5 isn’t Cortana at all? What if it’s the Gravemind manipulating precursor technology to make everyone think that Cortana has gone rogue, when in reality she really is dead and hasn’t been around since H4. We saw the Gravemind use Cortana’s likeness in H3 to manipulate and torment the Chief, so it’s not much of a stretch for the Gravemind to pull a similar stunt going forward. I mean she looks so different and acts so different. Her syntax and speech is completely different too. It would be cool imo for all of H5 to have been a single move on a giant chessboard between the Gravemind and the rest of the galaxy.
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> > The Gravemind even says in H3 that he cannot be defeated, only stalled: “Resignation is my virtue. Like water, I ebb and flow. Defeat is but the addition of time to a sentence I never deserved… but you imposed.” Perhaps the stalling action is over and the Gravemind is ready to jump back into the seemingly infinite fight over control of the galaxy.
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> To give my 2 cents on this response. All of these theories are very interesting that you put forward however, firstly it is practically confirmed that Cortana has the logic plague and so in the “endgame” of Halo, they’ll be rounding of the Reclaimer Saga which usually means someone has to die, so I think a good character that 343i has set up to die is Cortana.
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> Secondly, to discuss your Gravemind point, I think it is possible but there was no proto-Gravemind or any form of co-ordination of the flood as there was no outbreak or anything so she couldn’t of been controlled by a Gravemind directly, so instead it’s the Logic Plague that is the reason for her behaviour.
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> Lastly, to give recognition for a thing you pointed out, her speech and her wording is a lot like the Gravemind as well as other villainous characters. For example we see her use phrases that the Gravemind said but I can’t think of any at the top of my head. We see her use a phrase from the Didact’s epilogue in Halo 4 except changing parts to fit the Created holding the Mantle. Last reference is 343 Guilty sparks hums that he does throughout CE and 3 at random intervals is repeated at the end of H5’s Legendary Ending with Cortana and the ring which people believe to be Installation 09 which is possible but I think it is Installation 07 instead because that’s where the next game is more than likely gonna be set from the evidence in the game announcement trailer.
Actually, that ‘humming’ at the end of Halo 5: Guardians is her humming the song that Halsey loved. It’s the same song you can hear if you go near the door on the first mission right before the chamber full of Prometheans leading to Jul M’Dama. I believe you can also hear it when the opening scene shows her heading to her lab in an ONI complex. If I’m not incorrect, I’m fairly sure it was a piece from Debussy’s collection.
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> > > Interesting thought. I kinda like this idea because it could explain why the Warden Eternal was such a bland character in H5. He was just playing along and going through the motions, waiting for his time to strike. Though I would prefer it if the Cortana from H5 was a corrupted fragment and not the real Cortana.
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> > > Another thought I’ve had about Cortana is: what if the “Cortana” we see in H5 isn’t Cortana at all? What if it’s the Gravemind manipulating precursor technology to make everyone think that Cortana has gone rogue, when in reality she really is dead and hasn’t been around since H4. We saw the Gravemind use Cortana’s likeness in H3 to manipulate and torment the Chief, so it’s not much of a stretch for the Gravemind to pull a similar stunt going forward. I mean she looks so different and acts so different. Her syntax and speech is completely different too. It would be cool imo for all of H5 to have been a single move on a giant chessboard between the Gravemind and the rest of the galaxy.
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> > > The Gravemind even says in H3 that he cannot be defeated, only stalled: “Resignation is my virtue. Like water, I ebb and flow. Defeat is but the addition of time to a sentence I never deserved… but you imposed.” Perhaps the stalling action is over and the Gravemind is ready to jump back into the seemingly infinite fight over control of the galaxy.
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> > To give my 2 cents on this response. All of these theories are very interesting that you put forward however, firstly it is practically confirmed that Cortana has the logic plague and so in the “endgame” of Halo, they’ll be rounding of the Reclaimer Saga which usually means someone has to die, so I think a good character that 343i has set up to die is Cortana.
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> > Secondly, to discuss your Gravemind point, I think it is possible but there was no proto-Gravemind or any form of co-ordination of the flood as there was no outbreak or anything so she couldn’t of been controlled by a Gravemind directly, so instead it’s the Logic Plague that is the reason for her behaviour.
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> > Lastly, to give recognition for a thing you pointed out, her speech and her wording is a lot like the Gravemind as well as other villainous characters. For example we see her use phrases that the Gravemind said but I can’t think of any at the top of my head. We see her use a phrase from the Didact’s epilogue in Halo 4 except changing parts to fit the Created holding the Mantle. Last reference is 343 Guilty sparks hums that he does throughout CE and 3 at random intervals is repeated at the end of H5’s Legendary Ending with Cortana and the ring which people believe to be Installation 09 which is possible but I think it is Installation 07 instead because that’s where the next game is more than likely gonna be set from the evidence in the game announcement trailer.
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> Actually, that ‘humming’ at the end of Halo 5: Guardians is her humming the song that Halsey loved. It’s the same song you can hear if you go near the door on the first mission right before the chamber full of Prometheans leading to Jul M’Dama. I believe you can also hear it when the opening scene shows her heading to her lab in an ONI complex. If I’m not incorrect, I’m fairly sure it was a piece from Debussy’s collection.
Oh, I found it to be reminiscent of Guilty Spark but now that you bring it up, I can see it being similar to the music played at the start of Halo 5 when Halsey is going to her lab.
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> > > > Interesting thought. I kinda like this idea because it could explain why the Warden Eternal was such a bland character in H5. He was just playing along and going through the motions, waiting for his time to strike. Though I would prefer it if the Cortana from H5 was a corrupted fragment and not the real Cortana.
> > > >
> > > > Another thought I’ve had about Cortana is: what if the “Cortana” we see in H5 isn’t Cortana at all? What if it’s the Gravemind manipulating precursor technology to make everyone think that Cortana has gone rogue, when in reality she really is dead and hasn’t been around since H4. We saw the Gravemind use Cortana’s likeness in H3 to manipulate and torment the Chief, so it’s not much of a stretch for the Gravemind to pull a similar stunt going forward. I mean she looks so different and acts so different. Her syntax and speech is completely different too. It would be cool imo for all of H5 to have been a single move on a giant chessboard between the Gravemind and the rest of the galaxy.
> > > >
> > > > The Gravemind even says in H3 that he cannot be defeated, only stalled: “Resignation is my virtue. Like water, I ebb and flow. Defeat is but the addition of time to a sentence I never deserved… but you imposed.” Perhaps the stalling action is over and the Gravemind is ready to jump back into the seemingly infinite fight over control of the galaxy.
> > >
> > > To give my 2 cents on this response. All of these theories are very interesting that you put forward however, firstly it is practically confirmed that Cortana has the logic plague and so in the “endgame” of Halo, they’ll be rounding of the Reclaimer Saga which usually means someone has to die, so I think a good character that 343i has set up to die is Cortana.
> > >
> > > Secondly, to discuss your Gravemind point, I think it is possible but there was no proto-Gravemind or any form of co-ordination of the flood as there was no outbreak or anything so she couldn’t of been controlled by a Gravemind directly, so instead it’s the Logic Plague that is the reason for her behaviour.
> > >
> > > Lastly, to give recognition for a thing you pointed out, her speech and her wording is a lot like the Gravemind as well as other villainous characters. For example we see her use phrases that the Gravemind said but I can’t think of any at the top of my head. We see her use a phrase from the Didact’s epilogue in Halo 4 except changing parts to fit the Created holding the Mantle. Last reference is 343 Guilty sparks hums that he does throughout CE and 3 at random intervals is repeated at the end of H5’s Legendary Ending with Cortana and the ring which people believe to be Installation 09 which is possible but I think it is Installation 07 instead because that’s where the next game is more than likely gonna be set from the evidence in the game announcement trailer.
> >
> > Actually, that ‘humming’ at the end of Halo 5: Guardians is her humming the song that Halsey loved. It’s the same song you can hear if you go near the door on the first mission right before the chamber full of Prometheans leading to Jul M’Dama. I believe you can also hear it when the opening scene shows her heading to her lab in an ONI complex. If I’m not incorrect, I’m fairly sure it was a piece from Debussy’s collection.
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> Oh, I found it to be reminiscent of Guilty Spark but now that you bring it up, I can see it being similar to the music played at the start of Halo 5 when Halsey is going to her lab.
Yeah I searched around for it because apparently it was an actual piece according to a lot of sources, so it piqued my interest.
wow. there are so many good posts on here. thank you all for the input. it has really opened my eyes to the possibilities out there. my little paragraph that i originally wrote can’t compare with all the reply’s. awesome just awesome.