Could ONI secretly be working with Sapient Sunrise

This may just be me, but I think this could be possible. The Sapient Sunrise is a radical group of people in the Outer Colonies who believe the integration of Humans and aliens is wrong. They believe that the species need to be wiped out. They saw people who were fond of the integration idea as traitors. Richard Sekibo were in charge of peace talks with the Sangheili on Biko, and he was being threatened by the Sapient Sunrise for sometime. Sekibo went to the UEG for help, requesting backup to protect him, but via message from the UEG he was denied the request. The Sapient Sunrise was able to infiltrate the UEG embassy where the talks were occurring and planned to kill Sekibo and blame the Sangheili for the attack and thus going to war. However, it’s very possible that ONI is indeed working alongside the Sapient Sunrise, with agents possibly covertly working in the group. Members of the UEG are being kept in the dark by ONI, and much of them are being manipulated by ONI. When it comes to the Sapient Sunrise, ONI can tell the UEG that they are no issue, thus making senators and governors from not giving mind to SS, thus allowing ONI to secretly work with in the Sapient Sunrise. Do you think this is possible?

I also believe ONI was responsible for the lack of security. They probably wanted the negotiations to fail.

For what purpose though? ONI only wanted the Sangheili weak to ensure they won’t attack while humanity was recovering; this reasoning makes sense but feels stupid at the same time, don’t ask me why.

Human supremacy and intentionally butting heads with the Sangheili does not benefit humanity in the long term and is a huge motive decay from Parangosky’s original motive, loathe am I to admit it. If ONI really wants the Sangheili wiped out and is adopting a xenophobic foreign policy, Osman has clearly gone off her meds.

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> For what purpose though? ONI only wanted the Sangheili weak to ensure they won’t attack while humanity was recovering; this reasoning makes sense but feels stupid at the same time, don’t ask me why.
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> Human supremacy and intentionally butting heads with the Sangheili does not benefit humanity in the long term and is a huge motive decay from Parangosky’s original motive, loathe am I to admit it. If ONI really wants the Sangheili wiped out and is adopting a xenophobic foreign policy, Osman has clearly gone off her meds.

Yeah it doesn’t make sense for it to be ONI its to open and put humanity at risk. ONI works in the shadows.

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> > For what purpose though? ONI only wanted the Sangheili weak to ensure they won’t attack while humanity was recovering; this reasoning makes sense but feels stupid at the same time, don’t ask me why.
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> > Human supremacy and intentionally butting heads with the Sangheili does not benefit humanity in the long term and is a huge motive decay from Parangosky’s original motive, loathe am I to admit it. If ONI really wants the Sangheili wiped out and is adopting a xenophobic foreign policy, Osman has clearly gone off her meds.
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> Yeah it doesn’t make sense for it to be ONI its to open and put humanity at risk. ONI works in the shadows.

It’s not too far-fetched to think ONI would fund the SS, given their recent actions and MO, but if they really wanted the Sangheili wiped out and not just weakened, we have not seen their agenda and motivations as to why yet.

Guys, ONI can’t be behind every problem that is cropping up in-universe. Can’t a group of people be legitimately pissed off about making peace with a species that massacred billions of people without it being an ONI false flag?

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> Guys, ONI can’t be behind every problem that is cropping up in-universe. Can’t a group of people be legitimately pissed off about making peace with a species that massacred billions of people without it being an ONI false flag?

Considering the event’s been covered up by ONI/UEG, no. This is an example of narrative causality; events in a story follow a greater pattern because if they didn’t, they wouldn’t be worth writing a story about.

It’s possible ONI wants to provoke another war. The rebellious Outer Colonies would be hardest hit, especially if UNSC held their forces back to defend the core worlds. It’s the same rationale behind them arming separatist Elites; keep your enemies weak by making them fight each other.

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> > Guys, ONI can’t be behind every problem that is cropping up in-universe. Can’t a group of people be legitimately pissed off about making peace with a species that massacred billions of people without it being an ONI false flag?
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> Considering the event’s been covered up by ONI/UEG, no. This is an example of narrative causality; events in a story follow a greater pattern because if they didn’t, they wouldn’t be worth writing a story about.
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> It’s possible ONI wants to provoke another war. The rebellious Outer Colonies would be hardest hit, especially if UNSC held their forces back to defend the core worlds. It’s the same rationale behind them arming separatist Elites; keep your enemies weak by making them fight each other.

I think ONI is intelligent enough to know that if the Elites decide to take up arms again though, they probably won’t stop at the Outer Colonies.

If they are trying to pit the Elites against the rebel elements for this purpose, it sounds a tad bit too suicidal. If they are really intent on provoking another war, there has to be a more sinister reason. Then again, if there is, it probably means ONI has stopped trying to act for the betterment of humanity, even in their intentions.

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> > Guys, ONI can’t be behind every problem that is cropping up in-universe. Can’t a group of people be legitimately pissed off about making peace with a species that massacred billions of people without it being an ONI false flag?
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> Considering the event’s been covered up by ONI/UEG, no. This is an example of narrative causality; events in a story follow a greater pattern because if they didn’t, they wouldn’t be worth writing a story about.
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> It’s possible ONI wants to provoke another war. The rebellious Outer Colonies would be hardest hit, especially if UNSC held their forces back to defend the core worlds. It’s the same rationale behind them arming separatist Elites; keep your enemies weak by making them fight each other.

ONI wanted to cover it up because it would coarse massive panic and unrest if the events were known. And the UEG wanted to cover up SS to hide their own incompetence.

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> > > Guys, ONI can’t be behind every problem that is cropping up in-universe. Can’t a group of people be legitimately pissed off about making peace with a species that massacred billions of people without it being an ONI false flag?
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> > Considering the event’s been covered up by ONI/UEG, no. This is an example of narrative causality; events in a story follow a greater pattern because if they didn’t, they wouldn’t be worth writing a story about.
> > It’s possible ONI wants to provoke another war. The rebellious Outer Colonies would be hardest hit, especially if UNSC held their forces back to defend the core worlds. It’s the same rationale behind them arming separatist Elites; keep your enemies weak by making them fight each other.
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> ONI wanted to cover it up because it would coarse massive panic and unrest if the events were known. And the UEG wanted to cover up SS to hide their own incompetence.

What, “supersoldier war hero goes crazy and shoots up peace conference” is less alarming than “attack foiled”?
Also, why did UEG refuse the request for protection?

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> Guys, ONI can’t be behind every problem that is cropping up in-universe. Can’t a group of people be legitimately pissed off about making peace with a species that massacred billions of people without it being an ONI false flag?

I’m going to start a theory about ONI being behind the Covenant and the Flood. It may catch fire and become popular here lol :smiley:

But I must agree with Octavian146. If we start pointing fingers at ONI for everything, we are all going to go bonkers and pull our hair out. Too much paranoia.

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> > Guys, ONI can’t be behind every problem that is cropping up in-universe. Can’t a group of people be legitimately pissed off about making peace with a species that massacred billions of people without it being an ONI false flag?
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> I’m going to start a theory about ONI being behind the Covenant and the Flood. It may catch fire and become popular here lol :smiley:
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> But I must agree with Octavian146. If we start pointing fingers at ONI for everything, we are all going to go bonkers and pull our hair out. Too much paranoia.

Gravemind was just Parangosky with a voice changer. And Locke was remote-controlling Guilty Spark so he could kill Johnson.

This may be a clue or red herring, but the new pictures Ben has up of the Sapient Sunrise symbol reminded me a lot of Jul’s ‘The Didact’s Hand’ symbol.

May be nothing but I found it interesting that they were so similar nonetheless.

Guys, seriously, stop pleading ONI’s intelligence here. Anyone who’s read the Kilo-Five books knows that ONI is quite committed to destabilizing peace between species regardless of how stupid they’re being.

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> > > Guys, ONI can’t be behind every problem that is cropping up in-universe. Can’t a group of people be legitimately pissed off about making peace with a species that massacred billions of people without it being an ONI false flag?
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> > I’m going to start a theory about ONI being behind the Covenant and the Flood. It may catch fire and become popular here lol :smiley:
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> > But I must agree with Octavian146. If we start pointing fingers at ONI for everything, we are all going to go bonkers and pull our hair out. Too much paranoia.
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> Gravemind was just Parangosky with a voice changer. And Locke was remote-controlling Guilty Spark so he could kill Johnson.

Lol

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> Guys, seriously, stop pleading ONI’s intelligence here. Anyone who’s read the Kilo-Five books knows that ONI is quite committed to destabilizing peace between species regardless of how stupid they’re being.

I like to think it’s not solely because they’re stupid. I feel like that’s too easy of a rationalization(character wise, not about your statement) and kind of dangerous to have occur in such a complex story and universe. It diminishes it in a way. What they’re doing may seem completely stupid and hurtful, but to ONI they’re not stupid. They’re calculating, careful, controlling, and to me, in over their heads in a way. For me at least I just think it’s best to not have the “because they’re incompetent/stupid/uninformed” etc. reasoning behind any of the character.

I’d like to know what ONI would not gain from having a group of xenophobes running around able to do and say the things they would not dare do or say publicly. One could argue that this would be detrimental to humanity and might spark a war, but humanity already is at war. Jul 'Mdama is still running around, thanks to ONI by the way, who knows how many Covenant warlords there are and one delegation at Biko would be a drop in the bucket. Osman in the Hunters in the Dark excerpts made it clear she does not favor anything joint human-Sangheili and we have her Kilo-5 background to attest to that. Sapien Sunrise may be some random group of human xenophobes, sure. But ONI just happening to turn a blind eye to them? Right, that isn’t suspicious.

Ultimately you could look at Jul 'Mdama’s Covenant and Sapien Sunrise, they noticeably share resentment and mistrust for their enemies whom they fought in the Human-Covenant War.

I ask you this? How would it be that a lone faction of xenoanarchists emerge with their little colonial funding, some of which complain about the need of making ends? How would this extremist faction be so well equip to take on an alien species, that still considerably is technologically more advanced than human baser weaponry? There is really only one real answer they have backers… the Office of Naval Intelligence… perhaps some of the ‘supporters’ are being goaded or bribed into assisting SS for food, water, education, security… you name it, ONI is known to be manipulative when it comes to fulfilling their own goals.

Wouldn’t surprise me…makes a lot of sense.

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> > Guys, ONI can’t be behind every problem that is cropping up in-universe. Can’t a group of people be legitimately pissed off about making peace with a species that massacred billions of people without it being an ONI false flag?
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> I’m going to start a theory about ONI being behind the Covenant and the Flood. It may catch fire and become popular here lol :smiley:
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> But I must agree with Octavian146. If we start pointing fingers at ONI for everything, we are all going to go bonkers and pull our hair out. Too much paranoia.

ONI is quickly becoming the Illuminati of the fanbase.

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> Wouldn’t surprise me…makes a lot of sense.

It makes literally no sense. ONI has no motive to do this; the UEG covered it up to cover up their own incompetence.