Could Halsey make another Cortana to battle the new rampant Cortana?
Maybe. Problem is that it’d be just as illegal (the entire process of flash cloning entire humans) and troublesome (y’know, making twenty flash clones only to end up with a single viable brain) as it was to make the original Cortana.
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> Maybe. Problem is that it’d be just as illegal (the entire process of flash cloning entire humans) and troublesome (y’know, making twenty flash clones only to end up with a single viable brain) as it was to make the original Cortana.
I think right now doing something that is illegal is the least of their worries.
She could, but it wouldn’t really be another Cortana. Further, it’d still be outclassed by whatever the thing that thinks it’s Cortana that is in the Domain is.
So basically Offensive Bias vs. Mendicant Bias??
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> She could, but it wouldn’t really be another Cortana. Further, it’d still be outclassed by whatever the thing that thinks it’s Cortana that is in the Domain is.
Agreed. Cortana herself said, in Halo 4, that she wondered if Halsey could actually fix her, or if whatever was done to save her would end up making her not “her” anymore (e.g. make another AI the same way). It brings up an interesting question about identity, really.
Also a battle between Halo 5’s Cortana and a new version would not be much of a battle. Halo 5’s Cortana has the benefit of an entire AI’s life cycle worth of experience, vast knowledge about both human and Forerunner technology, and a connection to the Domain (not a big deal :P). A new AI made by Halsey would never be able to play catch-up in time to stop Cortana before her plans reach an irreversible point. Also also, Halsey is older now than she was when Cortana was created; by the time Halsey would have the chance to make a new smart AI, her brain would be almost 10 years more aged. Aged brains, even those of geniuses, are not as robust as younger brains and are more prone to problems. And at Halsey’s age, 10 years makes a difference.
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> She could, but it wouldn’t really be another Cortana. Further, it’d still be outclassed by whatever the thing that thinks it’s Cortana that is in the Domain is.
I guess eh. The domain is a nice asset to have.
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> So basically Offensive Bias vs. Mendicant Bias??
Exactly. History repeats itself. That would be cool!
The Curator in Halo Mythos doesn’t seem to think so. “Know this: Unless we can learn from our past - and from the others that came before us - we are doomed to face the same end. I am CURATOR. Do not forget.”
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> > 2533274801679486;5:
> > So basically Offensive Bias vs. Mendicant Bias??
>
> Exactly. History repeats itself. That would be cool!
I’m cool with this.
Okay, I’m gonna be honest here, I’m utterly confused.
In the beginning of Halo 5 you have a cut-scene with Doctor Halsey, she’s talking to Locke, who doesn’t show up in the Halo Story time line until 2556 (Halo Nightfall) 1 year before the events of Halo 4, and 4 years after Halo 3. – Which he’s not a Spartan until after the events of Halo Nightfall.
Doctor Halsey, still has her arm which she doesn’t lose until the year of 2558… Late February, early March I’m assuming.
So this cut-scene with her talking to Locke obviously has to take place Sometime after the event of Halo 3, and before the events of Halo 4, because by that point she’s being interrogated and imprisoned by ONI.
She hasn’t seen Chief or Cortana since Reach.
She still has her arm when she’s putting the new Cortana into AI holder.
So… like March 2553… to Early Spring 2558 where she still doesn’t know that Chief and Cortana are still alive until she get’s into Commander Lasky’s quarters on the Infinity.
So, I’m wondering if Halsey did make another AI similar to Cortana, if not a Cortana clone at some point in this time period 2553-2558.
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> Okay, I’m gonna be honest here, I’m utterly confused.
>
> In the beginning of Halo 5 you have a cut-scene with Doctor Halsey, she’s talking to Locke, who doesn’t show up in the Halo Story time line until 2556 (Halo Nightfall) 1 year before the events of Halo 4, and 4 years after Halo 3. – Which he’s not a Spartan until after the events of Halo Nightfall.
>
> Doctor Halsey, still has her arm which she doesn’t lose until the year of 2558… Late February, early March I’m assuming.
>
> So this cut-scene with her talking to Locke obviously has to take place Sometime after the event of Halo 3, and before the events of Halo 4, because by that point she’s being interrogated and imprisoned by ONI.
>
> She hasn’t seen Chief or Cortana since Reach.
>
> She still has her arm when she’s putting the new Cortana into AI holder.
>
> So… like March 2553… to Early Spring 2558 where she still doesn’t know that Chief and Cortana are still alive until she get’s into Commander Lasky’s quarters on the Infinity.
>
> So, I’m wondering if Halsey did make another AI similar to Cortana, if not a Cortana clone at some point in this time period 2553-2558.
Hmm interesting analyses.
It’s worth remembering Halsey’s Journal—in the same illicit enterprise she undertook that resulted in the viable flash-cloned brain that created Cortana (H1) she ended up with three other specimens (H2–4) that she preserved. “I have other, future plans for them as technology evolves” (November 7, 2549).
We have no idea what happened to these specimens. They aren’t mentioned in materials Halsey took with her in First Strike or anything confiscated in Glasslands, or any further mention beyond the contents of the journal in the Kilo-5 Trilogy. The simple solution is to suggest wherever they were secreted away, it was on Reach and got destroyed or lost with the rest of the planet. But perhaps they’re still on ice somewhere on Reach, safe from the orbital bombardment, or perhaps she shipped them off-world, away from ONI’s prying eyes.
Finally, she did have years between the events of the Kilo-5 Trilogy and her arrival at Requiem to possibly make new clones. Sure, it’s against ONI regs, but Halsey clearly doesn’t care (and if it benefits them, ONI would certainly look the other way.)
> 2533274870389366;11:
> Okay, I’m gonna be honest here, I’m utterly confused.
>
> In the beginning of Halo 5 you have a cut-scene with Doctor Halsey, she’s talking to Locke, who doesn’t show up in the Halo Story time line until 2556 (Halo Nightfall) 1 year before the events of Halo 4, and 4 years after Halo 3. – Which he’s not a Spartan until after the events of Halo Nightfall.
>
> Doctor Halsey, still has her arm which she doesn’t lose until the year of 2558… Late February, early March I’m assuming.
>
> So this cut-scene with her talking to Locke obviously has to take place Sometime after the event of Halo 3, and before the events of Halo 4, because by that point she’s being interrogated and imprisoned by ONI.
>
> She hasn’t seen Chief or Cortana since Reach.
>
> She still has her arm when she’s putting the new Cortana into AI holder.
>
> So… like March 2553… to Early Spring 2558 where she still doesn’t know that Chief and Cortana are still alive until she get’s into Commander Lasky’s quarters on the Infinity.
>
> So, I’m wondering if Halsey did make another AI similar to Cortana, if not a Cortana clone at some point in this time period 2553-2558.
I agree it’s confusing, but there’s no actual reason the voiceover has to be happening contemporaneously with the visuals we see. Moreover, it’s hard to definitely say that the location in the cinematic isn’t a much nicer-looking version of Halsey’s lab in Reach—there’s some architectural details that are different (the AI terminal is in the center of the room, instead of off to the side, there’s not the above ring, and if there’s a better view of the exterior with the Forerunner artifact, it’s not visible through shutters) but we don’t get a great look to be sure.
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> It’s worth remembering Halsey’s Journal—in the same illicit enterprise she undertook that resulted in the viable flash-cloned brain that created Cortana (H1) she ended up with three other specimens (H2–4) that she preserved. “I have other, future plans for them as technology evolves” (November 7, 2549).
>
> We have no idea what happened to these specimens. They aren’t mentioned in materials Halsey took with her in First Strike or anything confiscated in Glasslands, or any further mention beyond the contents of the journal in the Kilo-5 Trilogy. The simple solution is to suggest wherever they were secreted away, it was on Reach and got destroyed or lost with the rest of the planet. But perhaps they’re still on ice somewhere on Reach, safe from the orbital bombardment, or perhaps she shipped them off-world, away from ONI’s prying eyes.
>
> Finally, she did have years between the events of the Kilo-5 Trilogy and her arrival at Requiem to possibly make new clones. Sure, it’s against ONI regs, but Halsey clearly doesn’t care (and if it benefits them, ONI would certainly look the other way.)
>
>
>
>
> > 2533274870389366;11:
> > Okay, I’m gonna be honest here, I’m utterly confused.
> >
> > In the beginning of Halo 5 you have a cut-scene with Doctor Halsey, she’s talking to Locke, who doesn’t show up in the Halo Story time line until 2556 (Halo Nightfall) 1 year before the events of Halo 4, and 4 years after Halo 3. – Which he’s not a Spartan until after the events of Halo Nightfall.
> >
> > Doctor Halsey, still has her arm which she doesn’t lose until the year of 2558… Late February, early March I’m assuming.
> >
> > So this cut-scene with her talking to Locke obviously has to take place Sometime after the event of Halo 3, and before the events of Halo 4, because by that point she’s being interrogated and imprisoned by ONI.
> >
> > She hasn’t seen Chief or Cortana since Reach.
> >
> > She still has her arm when she’s putting the new Cortana into AI holder.
> >
> > So… like March 2553… to Early Spring 2558 where she still doesn’t know that Chief and Cortana are still alive until she get’s into Commander Lasky’s quarters on the Infinity.
> >
> > So, I’m wondering if Halsey did make another AI similar to Cortana, if not a Cortana clone at some point in this time period 2553-2558.
>
> I agree it’s confusing, but there’s no actual reason the voiceover has to be happening contemporaneously with the visuals we see. Moreover, it’s hard to definitely say that the location in the cinematic isn’t a much nicer-looking version of Halsey’s lab in Reach—there’s some architectural details that are different (the AI terminal is in the center of the room, instead of off to the side, there’s not the above ring, and if there’s a better view of the exterior with the Forerunner artifact, it’s not visible through shutters) but we don’t get a great look to be sure.
First Response: I would assume that they’re on Reach some where seeing as she never left with them when she left her research lab with Jun. Unless… She did, or there was another Spartan team else where retrieving the “excavation data”
Second Response: Another thing that gets me though, is her facial expressions. You can tell Doctor Halsey is definitely dealing with some sort of stress at the time. As if she knows that ONI is going to have Locke kill her. So I would say that the voice over is current at the time of the cut-scene.
So ultimately, this really begs the questions. Are there multiple Cortanas created by Halsey? Who are the others she created?
So much lore! Not enough time!
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> > 2533274870434572;13:
> > It’s worth remembering Halsey’s Journal—in the same illicit enterprise she undertook that resulted in the viable flash-cloned brain that created Cortana (H1) she ended up with three other specimens (H2–4) that she preserved. “I have other, future plans for them as technology evolves” (November 7, 2549).
> >
> > We have no idea what happened to these specimens. They aren’t mentioned in materials Halsey took with her in First Strike or anything confiscated in Glasslands, or any further mention beyond the contents of the journal in the Kilo-5 Trilogy. The simple solution is to suggest wherever they were secreted away, it was on Reach and got destroyed or lost with the rest of the planet. But perhaps they’re still on ice somewhere on Reach, safe from the orbital bombardment, or perhaps she shipped them off-world, away from ONI’s prying eyes.
> >
> > Finally, she did have years between the events of the Kilo-5 Trilogy and her arrival at Requiem to possibly make new clones. Sure, it’s against ONI regs, but Halsey clearly doesn’t care (and if it benefits them, ONI would certainly look the other way.)
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > > Okay, I’m gonna be honest here, I’m utterly confused.
> > >
> > > In the beginning of Halo 5 you have a cut-scene with Doctor Halsey, she’s talking to Locke, who doesn’t show up in the Halo Story time line until 2556 (Halo Nightfall) 1 year before the events of Halo 4, and 4 years after Halo 3. – Which he’s not a Spartan until after the events of Halo Nightfall.
> > >
> > > Doctor Halsey, still has her arm which she doesn’t lose until the year of 2558… Late February, early March I’m assuming.
> > >
> > > So this cut-scene with her talking to Locke obviously has to take place Sometime after the event of Halo 3, and before the events of Halo 4, because by that point she’s being interrogated and imprisoned by ONI.
> > >
> > > She hasn’t seen Chief or Cortana since Reach.
> > >
> > > She still has her arm when she’s putting the new Cortana into AI holder.
> > >
> > > So… like March 2553… to Early Spring 2558 where she still doesn’t know that Chief and Cortana are still alive until she get’s into Commander Lasky’s quarters on the Infinity.
> > >
> > > So, I’m wondering if Halsey did make another AI similar to Cortana, if not a Cortana clone at some point in this time period 2553-2558.
> >
> > I agree it’s confusing, but there’s no actual reason the voiceover has to be happening contemporaneously with the visuals we see. Moreover, it’s hard to definitely say that the location in the cinematic isn’t a much nicer-looking version of Halsey’s lab in Reach—there’s some architectural details that are different (the AI terminal is in the center of the room, instead of off to the side, there’s not the above ring, and if there’s a better view of the exterior with the Forerunner artifact, it’s not visible through shutters) but we don’t get a great look to be sure.
>
> First Response: I would assume that they’re on Reach some where seeing as she never left with them when she left her research lab with Jun. Unless… She did, or there was another Spartan team else where retrieving the “excavation data”
>
> Second Response: Another thing that gets me though, is her facial expressions. You can tell Doctor Halsey is definitely dealing with some sort of stress at the time. As if she knows that ONI is going to have Locke kill her. So I would say that the voice over is current at the time of the cut-scene.
>
> So ultimately, this really begs the questions. Are there multiple Cortanas created by Halsey? Who are the others she created?
>
> So much lore! Not enough time!
I really wouldn’t read too much into her expression. She could be concerned Cortana’s gonna get loaded into John and deal with a live-fire exercise in Fall of Reach, for example.
More broadly, I don’t think we have enough info to be sure, but given all we know about Halsey it’s unlikely if you took one of those other brains she cloned and turn it into an AI, you’d get Cortana. Her line to Chief in Halo 4 about how “it wouldn’t be me” are partially just paranoia and self-pity, but it’s also not clear how much of an AI is already determined by its donor matrix. Cortana remembers a line Halsey’s mother said to her and has some similarities to both herself and Miranda Keyes, but AIs choose their avatars and if anything, Cortana’s simple appearance is atypical in a world of avatar demons, Chinese peasants, and featureless cubes. So if you grab one of those brains and make an AI it probably wouldn’t call itself Cortana and it wouldn’t necessarily have the same personality. If you made another flash clone of Halsey now, years after the fact? I think it becomes even less likely that it can be closer than cousins to her.
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> > 2533274870389366;14:
> > > 2533274870434572;13:
> > > It’s worth remembering Halsey’s Journal—in the same illicit enterprise she undertook that resulted in the viable flash-cloned brain that created Cortana (H1) she ended up with three other specimens (H2–4) that she preserved. “I have other, future plans for them as technology evolves” (November 7, 2549).
> > >
> > > We have no idea what happened to these specimens. They aren’t mentioned in materials Halsey took with her in First Strike or anything confiscated in Glasslands, or any further mention beyond the contents of the journal in the Kilo-5 Trilogy. The simple solution is to suggest wherever they were secreted away, it was on Reach and got destroyed or lost with the rest of the planet. But perhaps they’re still on ice somewhere on Reach, safe from the orbital bombardment, or perhaps she shipped them off-world, away from ONI’s prying eyes.
> > >
> > > Finally, she did have years between the events of the Kilo-5 Trilogy and her arrival at Requiem to possibly make new clones. Sure, it’s against ONI regs, but Halsey clearly doesn’t care (and if it benefits them, ONI would certainly look the other way.)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 2533274870389366;11:
> > > > Okay, I’m gonna be honest here, I’m utterly confused.
> > > >
> > > > In the beginning of Halo 5 you have a cut-scene with Doctor Halsey, she’s talking to Locke, who doesn’t show up in the Halo Story time line until 2556 (Halo Nightfall) 1 year before the events of Halo 4, and 4 years after Halo 3. – Which he’s not a Spartan until after the events of Halo Nightfall.
> > > >
> > > > Doctor Halsey, still has her arm which she doesn’t lose until the year of 2558… Late February, early March I’m assuming.
> > > >
> > > > So this cut-scene with her talking to Locke obviously has to take place Sometime after the event of Halo 3, and before the events of Halo 4, because by that point she’s being interrogated and imprisoned by ONI.
> > > >
> > > > She hasn’t seen Chief or Cortana since Reach.
> > > >
> > > > She still has her arm when she’s putting the new Cortana into AI holder.
> > > >
> > > > So… like March 2553… to Early Spring 2558 where she still doesn’t know that Chief and Cortana are still alive until she get’s into Commander Lasky’s quarters on the Infinity.
> > > >
> > > > So, I’m wondering if Halsey did make another AI similar to Cortana, if not a Cortana clone at some point in this time period 2553-2558.
> > >
> > > I agree it’s confusing, but there’s no actual reason the voiceover has to be happening contemporaneously with the visuals we see. Moreover, it’s hard to definitely say that the location in the cinematic isn’t a much nicer-looking version of Halsey’s lab in Reach—there’s some architectural details that are different (the AI terminal is in the center of the room, instead of off to the side, there’s not the above ring, and if there’s a better view of the exterior with the Forerunner artifact, it’s not visible through shutters) but we don’t get a great look to be sure.
> >
> > First Response: I would assume that they’re on Reach some where seeing as she never left with them when she left her research lab with Jun. Unless… She did, or there was another Spartan team else where retrieving the “excavation data”
> >
> > Second Response: Another thing that gets me though, is her facial expressions. You can tell Doctor Halsey is definitely dealing with some sort of stress at the time. As if she knows that ONI is going to have Locke kill her. So I would say that the voice over is current at the time of the cut-scene.
> >
> > So ultimately, this really begs the questions. Are there multiple Cortanas created by Halsey? Who are the others she created?
> >
> > So much lore! Not enough time!
>
> I really wouldn’t read too much into her expression. She could be concerned Cortana’s gonna get loaded into John and deal with a live-fire exercise in Fall of Reach, for example.
>
> More broadly, I don’t think we have enough info to be sure, but given all we know about Halsey it’s unlikely if you took one of those other brains she cloned and turn it into an AI, you’d get Cortana. Her line to Chief in Halo 4 about how “it wouldn’t be me” are partially just paranoia and self-pity, but it’s also not clear how much of an AI is already determined by its donor matrix. Cortana remembers a line Halsey’s mother said to her and has some similarities to both herself and Miranda Keyes, but AIs choose their avatars and if anything, Cortana’s simple appearance is atypical in a world of avatar demons, Chinese peasants, and featureless cubes. So if you grab one of those brains and make an AI it probably wouldn’t call itself Cortana and it wouldn’t necessarily have the same personality. If you made another flash clone of Halsey now, years after the fact? I think it becomes even less likely that it can be closer than cousins to her.
The thing that’s always bugged me is that Halo Reach, and the Fall of Reach, the Book and the Game didn’t really tie into each other as Cortana was already with Master Chief before the fall of Reach at that point, correct?
So… ultimately still Halsey has other creations that we haven’t seen or heard from. Hmmm…
And I don’t recall any Spartan III’s ever on Reach.
(Excuse me if I’m wrong, it’s been a while since I’ve read any of the books)
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> > > 2533274870389366;14:
> > > > 2533274870434572;13:
> > > > It’s worth remembering Halsey’s Journal—in the same illicit enterprise she undertook that resulted in the viable flash-cloned brain that created Cortana (H1) she ended up with three other specimens (H2–4) that she preserved. “I have other, future plans for them as technology evolves” (November 7, 2549).
> > > >
> > > > We have no idea what happened to these specimens. They aren’t mentioned in materials Halsey took with her in First Strike or anything confiscated in Glasslands, or any further mention beyond the contents of the journal in the Kilo-5 Trilogy. The simple solution is to suggest wherever they were secreted away, it was on Reach and got destroyed or lost with the rest of the planet. But perhaps they’re still on ice somewhere on Reach, safe from the orbital bombardment, or perhaps she shipped them off-world, away from ONI’s prying eyes.
> > > >
> > > > Finally, she did have years between the events of the Kilo-5 Trilogy and her arrival at Requiem to possibly make new clones. Sure, it’s against ONI regs, but Halsey clearly doesn’t care (and if it benefits them, ONI would certainly look the other way.)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 2533274870389366;11:
> > > > > Okay, I’m gonna be honest here, I’m utterly confused.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the beginning of Halo 5 you have a cut-scene with Doctor Halsey, she’s talking to Locke, who doesn’t show up in the Halo Story time line until 2556 (Halo Nightfall) 1 year before the events of Halo 4, and 4 years after Halo 3. – Which he’s not a Spartan until after the events of Halo Nightfall.
> > > > >
> > > > > Doctor Halsey, still has her arm which she doesn’t lose until the year of 2558… Late February, early March I’m assuming.
> > > > >
> > > > > So this cut-scene with her talking to Locke obviously has to take place Sometime after the event of Halo 3, and before the events of Halo 4, because by that point she’s being interrogated and imprisoned by ONI.
> > > > >
> > > > > She hasn’t seen Chief or Cortana since Reach.
> > > > >
> > > > > She still has her arm when she’s putting the new Cortana into AI holder.
> > > > >
> > > > > So… like March 2553… to Early Spring 2558 where she still doesn’t know that Chief and Cortana are still alive until she get’s into Commander Lasky’s quarters on the Infinity.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, I’m wondering if Halsey did make another AI similar to Cortana, if not a Cortana clone at some point in this time period 2553-2558.
> > > >
> > > > I agree it’s confusing, but there’s no actual reason the voiceover has to be happening contemporaneously with the visuals we see. Moreover, it’s hard to definitely say that the location in the cinematic isn’t a much nicer-looking version of Halsey’s lab in Reach—there’s some architectural details that are different (the AI terminal is in the center of the room, instead of off to the side, there’s not the above ring, and if there’s a better view of the exterior with the Forerunner artifact, it’s not visible through shutters) but we don’t get a great look to be sure.
> > >
> > > First Response: I would assume that they’re on Reach some where seeing as she never left with them when she left her research lab with Jun. Unless… She did, or there was another Spartan team else where retrieving the “excavation data”
> > >
> > > Second Response: Another thing that gets me though, is her facial expressions. You can tell Doctor Halsey is definitely dealing with some sort of stress at the time. As if she knows that ONI is going to have Locke kill her. So I would say that the voice over is current at the time of the cut-scene.
> > >
> > > So ultimately, this really begs the questions. Are there multiple Cortanas created by Halsey? Who are the others she created?
> > >
> > > So much lore! Not enough time!
> >
> > I really wouldn’t read too much into her expression. She could be concerned Cortana’s gonna get loaded into John and deal with a live-fire exercise in Fall of Reach, for example.
> >
> > More broadly, I don’t think we have enough info to be sure, but given all we know about Halsey it’s unlikely if you took one of those other brains she cloned and turn it into an AI, you’d get Cortana. Her line to Chief in Halo 4 about how “it wouldn’t be me” are partially just paranoia and self-pity, but it’s also not clear how much of an AI is already determined by its donor matrix. Cortana remembers a line Halsey’s mother said to her and has some similarities to both herself and Miranda Keyes, but AIs choose their avatars and if anything, Cortana’s simple appearance is atypical in a world of avatar demons, Chinese peasants, and featureless cubes. So if you grab one of those brains and make an AI it probably wouldn’t call itself Cortana and it wouldn’t necessarily have the same personality. If you made another flash clone of Halsey now, years after the fact? I think it becomes even less likely that it can be closer than cousins to her.
>
> The thing that’s always bugged me is that Halo Reach, and the Fall of Reach, the Book and the Game didn’t really tie into each other as Cortana was already with Master Chief before the fall of Reach at that point, correct?
>
> So… ultimately still Halsey has other creations that we haven’t seen or heard from. Hmmm…
>
> And I don’t recall any Spartan III’s ever on Reach.
>
> (Excuse me if I’m wrong, it’s been a while since I’ve read any of the books)
The idea with explaining the whole issue of how Reach (the game) makes sense is that Cortana is with Chief doing stuff as per the books and games, but Noble Six and the rest of the IIIs are responsible for getting a fragment of her to the Pillar of Autumn with info from the Forerunner ship. The idea is that that info, combined with the Sigma Octanus info, is what leads Cortana to deduce the coordinates to Halo.
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> > > > > 2533274870434572;13:
> > > > > It’s worth remembering Halsey’s Journal—in the same illicit enterprise she undertook that resulted in the viable flash-cloned brain that created Cortana (H1) she ended up with three other specimens (H2–4) that she preserved. “I have other, future plans for them as technology evolves” (November 7, 2549).
> > > > >
> > > > > We have no idea what happened to these specimens. They aren’t mentioned in materials Halsey took with her in First Strike or anything confiscated in Glasslands, or any further mention beyond the contents of the journal in the Kilo-5 Trilogy. The simple solution is to suggest wherever they were secreted away, it was on Reach and got destroyed or lost with the rest of the planet. But perhaps they’re still on ice somewhere on Reach, safe from the orbital bombardment, or perhaps she shipped them off-world, away from ONI’s prying eyes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Finally, she did have years between the events of the Kilo-5 Trilogy and her arrival at Requiem to possibly make new clones. Sure, it’s against ONI regs, but Halsey clearly doesn’t care (and if it benefits them, ONI would certainly look the other way.)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > > Okay, I’m gonna be honest here, I’m utterly confused.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the beginning of Halo 5 you have a cut-scene with Doctor Halsey, she’s talking to Locke, who doesn’t show up in the Halo Story time line until 2556 (Halo Nightfall) 1 year before the events of Halo 4, and 4 years after Halo 3. – Which he’s not a Spartan until after the events of Halo Nightfall.
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> > > > > > Doctor Halsey, still has her arm which she doesn’t lose until the year of 2558… Late February, early March I’m assuming.
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> > > > > > So this cut-scene with her talking to Locke obviously has to take place Sometime after the event of Halo 3, and before the events of Halo 4, because by that point she’s being interrogated and imprisoned by ONI.
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> > > > > > She hasn’t seen Chief or Cortana since Reach.
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> > > > > > She still has her arm when she’s putting the new Cortana into AI holder.
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> > > > > > So… like March 2553… to Early Spring 2558 where she still doesn’t know that Chief and Cortana are still alive until she get’s into Commander Lasky’s quarters on the Infinity.
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> > > > > > So, I’m wondering if Halsey did make another AI similar to Cortana, if not a Cortana clone at some point in this time period 2553-2558.
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> > > > > I agree it’s confusing, but there’s no actual reason the voiceover has to be happening contemporaneously with the visuals we see. Moreover, it’s hard to definitely say that the location in the cinematic isn’t a much nicer-looking version of Halsey’s lab in Reach—there’s some architectural details that are different (the AI terminal is in the center of the room, instead of off to the side, there’s not the above ring, and if there’s a better view of the exterior with the Forerunner artifact, it’s not visible through shutters) but we don’t get a great look to be sure.
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> > > > First Response: I would assume that they’re on Reach some where seeing as she never left with them when she left her research lab with Jun. Unless… She did, or there was another Spartan team else where retrieving the “excavation data”
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> > > > Second Response: Another thing that gets me though, is her facial expressions. You can tell Doctor Halsey is definitely dealing with some sort of stress at the time. As if she knows that ONI is going to have Locke kill her. So I would say that the voice over is current at the time of the cut-scene.
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> > > > So ultimately, this really begs the questions. Are there multiple Cortanas created by Halsey? Who are the others she created?
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> > > > So much lore! Not enough time!
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> > > I really wouldn’t read too much into her expression. She could be concerned Cortana’s gonna get loaded into John and deal with a live-fire exercise in Fall of Reach, for example.
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> > > More broadly, I don’t think we have enough info to be sure, but given all we know about Halsey it’s unlikely if you took one of those other brains she cloned and turn it into an AI, you’d get Cortana. Her line to Chief in Halo 4 about how “it wouldn’t be me” are partially just paranoia and self-pity, but it’s also not clear how much of an AI is already determined by its donor matrix. Cortana remembers a line Halsey’s mother said to her and has some similarities to both herself and Miranda Keyes, but AIs choose their avatars and if anything, Cortana’s simple appearance is atypical in a world of avatar demons, Chinese peasants, and featureless cubes. So if you grab one of those brains and make an AI it probably wouldn’t call itself Cortana and it wouldn’t necessarily have the same personality. If you made another flash clone of Halsey now, years after the fact? I think it becomes even less likely that it can be closer than cousins to her.
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> > The thing that’s always bugged me is that Halo Reach, and the Fall of Reach, the Book and the Game didn’t really tie into each other as Cortana was already with Master Chief before the fall of Reach at that point, correct?
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> > So… ultimately still Halsey has other creations that we haven’t seen or heard from. Hmmm…
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> > And I don’t recall any Spartan III’s ever on Reach.
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> > (Excuse me if I’m wrong, it’s been a while since I’ve read any of the books)
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> The idea with explaining the whole issue of how Reach (the game) makes sense is that Cortana is with Chief doing stuff as per the books and games, but Noble Six and the rest of the IIIs are responsible for getting a fragment of her to the Pillar of Autumn with info from the Forerunner ship. The idea is that that info, combined with the Sigma Octanus info, is what leads Cortana to deduce the coordinates to Halo.
Ah, okay so that makes more sense. I just wish that was cleared up more in the game to be honest.
I still don’t understand how the Spartan III’s got to Reach though. Weren’t they originally supposed to be undisclosed?
I remember a good portion of the Spartan III’s died on Onyx.
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> > > > > > It’s worth remembering Halsey’s Journal—in the same illicit enterprise she undertook that resulted in the viable flash-cloned brain that created Cortana (H1) she ended up with three other specimens (H2–4) that she preserved. “I have other, future plans for them as technology evolves” (November 7, 2549).
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> > > > > > We have no idea what happened to these specimens. They aren’t mentioned in materials Halsey took with her in First Strike or anything confiscated in Glasslands, or any further mention beyond the contents of the journal in the Kilo-5 Trilogy. The simple solution is to suggest wherever they were secreted away, it was on Reach and got destroyed or lost with the rest of the planet. But perhaps they’re still on ice somewhere on Reach, safe from the orbital bombardment, or perhaps she shipped them off-world, away from ONI’s prying eyes.
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> > > > > > Finally, she did have years between the events of the Kilo-5 Trilogy and her arrival at Requiem to possibly make new clones. Sure, it’s against ONI regs, but Halsey clearly doesn’t care (and if it benefits them, ONI would certainly look the other way.)
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> > > > > > > Okay, I’m gonna be honest here, I’m utterly confused.
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> > > > > > > In the beginning of Halo 5 you have a cut-scene with Doctor Halsey, she’s talking to Locke, who doesn’t show up in the Halo Story time line until 2556 (Halo Nightfall) 1 year before the events of Halo 4, and 4 years after Halo 3. – Which he’s not a Spartan until after the events of Halo Nightfall.
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> > > > > > > Doctor Halsey, still has her arm which she doesn’t lose until the year of 2558… Late February, early March I’m assuming.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So this cut-scene with her talking to Locke obviously has to take place Sometime after the event of Halo 3, and before the events of Halo 4, because by that point she’s being interrogated and imprisoned by ONI.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > She hasn’t seen Chief or Cortana since Reach.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > She still has her arm when she’s putting the new Cortana into AI holder.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So… like March 2553… to Early Spring 2558 where she still doesn’t know that Chief and Cortana are still alive until she get’s into Commander Lasky’s quarters on the Infinity.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So, I’m wondering if Halsey did make another AI similar to Cortana, if not a Cortana clone at some point in this time period 2553-2558.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I agree it’s confusing, but there’s no actual reason the voiceover has to be happening contemporaneously with the visuals we see. Moreover, it’s hard to definitely say that the location in the cinematic isn’t a much nicer-looking version of Halsey’s lab in Reach—there’s some architectural details that are different (the AI terminal is in the center of the room, instead of off to the side, there’s not the above ring, and if there’s a better view of the exterior with the Forerunner artifact, it’s not visible through shutters) but we don’t get a great look to be sure.
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> > > > > First Response: I would assume that they’re on Reach some where seeing as she never left with them when she left her research lab with Jun. Unless… She did, or there was another Spartan team else where retrieving the “excavation data”
> > > > >
> > > > > Second Response: Another thing that gets me though, is her facial expressions. You can tell Doctor Halsey is definitely dealing with some sort of stress at the time. As if she knows that ONI is going to have Locke kill her. So I would say that the voice over is current at the time of the cut-scene.
> > > > >
> > > > > So ultimately, this really begs the questions. Are there multiple Cortanas created by Halsey? Who are the others she created?
> > > > >
> > > > > So much lore! Not enough time!
> > > >
> > > > I really wouldn’t read too much into her expression. She could be concerned Cortana’s gonna get loaded into John and deal with a live-fire exercise in Fall of Reach, for example.
> > > >
> > > > More broadly, I don’t think we have enough info to be sure, but given all we know about Halsey it’s unlikely if you took one of those other brains she cloned and turn it into an AI, you’d get Cortana. Her line to Chief in Halo 4 about how “it wouldn’t be me” are partially just paranoia and self-pity, but it’s also not clear how much of an AI is already determined by its donor matrix. Cortana remembers a line Halsey’s mother said to her and has some similarities to both herself and Miranda Keyes, but AIs choose their avatars and if anything, Cortana’s simple appearance is atypical in a world of avatar demons, Chinese peasants, and featureless cubes. So if you grab one of those brains and make an AI it probably wouldn’t call itself Cortana and it wouldn’t necessarily have the same personality. If you made another flash clone of Halsey now, years after the fact? I think it becomes even less likely that it can be closer than cousins to her.
> > >
> > > The thing that’s always bugged me is that Halo Reach, and the Fall of Reach, the Book and the Game didn’t really tie into each other as Cortana was already with Master Chief before the fall of Reach at that point, correct?
> > >
> > > So… ultimately still Halsey has other creations that we haven’t seen or heard from. Hmmm…
> > >
> > > And I don’t recall any Spartan III’s ever on Reach.
> > >
> > > (Excuse me if I’m wrong, it’s been a while since I’ve read any of the books)
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> > The idea with explaining the whole issue of how Reach (the game) makes sense is that Cortana is with Chief doing stuff as per the books and games, but Noble Six and the rest of the IIIs are responsible for getting a fragment of her to the Pillar of Autumn with info from the Forerunner ship. The idea is that that info, combined with the Sigma Octanus info, is what leads Cortana to deduce the coordinates to Halo.
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> Ah, okay so that makes more sense. I just wish that was cleared up more in the game to be honest.
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> I still don’t understand how the Spartan III’s got to Reach though. Weren’t they originally supposed to be undisclosed?
> I remember a good portion of the Spartan III’s died on Onyx.
The Spartans you play were basically hand-picked out of the original Spartan-III companies and thus didn’t go on the suicide missions that befell the rest of their teams. Instead they were used as spec ops teams (like Noble) or specialty kill squads (the Headhunters from Evolutions). There were a few other Spartan-III teams deployed to defend Reach that died there as well; you see their corpses in the “Lone Wolf” last stand mission.
> So basically Offensive Bias vs. Mendicant Bias??
This thought crossed my mind too, kinda think it’d be a neat allusion but unfortunately I tend to agree with those who’ve said, in Cortana’s current Domain-powered state, the new one probably wouldn’t be much of a match.