I was just thinking, Do you think a smaller reason why 343i made the TU was for us to be ready for H4? I mean see how the change from halo 3 and reach turned out for some people.
Just a random thought.
I doubt it. Reach’s MP was just a flop and something had to change. If they wanted an idea about how Reach was received, then all they had to do was look at the XBL charts each week, plus the communities reaction.
But if Halo 4 is anything like the TU I will be disappointed.
Don’t get me wrong, if Halo 4 is like vanilla Reach I’ll headbutt a wall until I pass out.
Totally possible and likely, they seem to be pushing it very hard and I think Halo 4 is the reason.
> I was just thinking, Do you think a smaller reason why 343i made the TU was for us to be ready for H4? I mean see how the change from halo 3 and reach turned out for some people.
> Just a random thought.
No, it’s because some people lack skill so they have to have the game changed to the way they need it to be. Because they are unable to adapt to a game, they have to ruin it for everyone else. And 343 would rather piss off the majority than have a small minority come on the forums every day. Well guess what 343? halo 4 is coming soon. Do you believe in karma?
> > I was just thinking, Do you think a smaller reason why 343i made the TU was for us to be ready for H4? I mean see how the change from halo 3 and reach turned out for some people.
> > Just a random thought.
>
> No, it’s because some people lack skill so they have to have the game changed to the way they need it to be. Because they are unable to adapt to a game, they have to ruin it for everyone else. And 343 would rather piss off the majority than have a small minority come on the forums every day. Well guess what 343? halo 4 is coming soon. Do you believe in karma?
The majority was the 75% of Reach that had already left the game, and the 25% that stayed were the people that liked it. I figured that up with the Reach numbers compared to Halo 3 a little over a year after being released. People only complain about the title update because they are the few that stayed with Reach.
> > I was just thinking, Do you think a smaller reason why 343i made the TU was for us to be ready for H4? I mean see how the change from halo 3 and reach turned out for some people.
> > Just a random thought.
>
> No, it’s because some people lack skill so they have to have the game changed to the way they need it to be. Because they are unable to adapt to a game, they have to ruin it for everyone else. And 343 would rather piss off the majority than have a small minority come on the forums every day. Well guess what 343? halo 4 is coming soon. Do you believe in karma?
It’s nothing to do with “not being able to adapt”, people hate Reach because it isn’t fun at all.
> > I was just thinking, Do you think a smaller reason why 343i made the TU was for us to be ready for H4? I mean see how the change from halo 3 and reach turned out for some people.
> > Just a random thought.
>
> No, it’s because some people lack skill so they have to have the game changed to the way they need it to be. Because they are unable to adapt to a game, they have to ruin it for everyone else. And 343 would rather piss off the majority than have a small minority come on the forums every day. Well guess what 343? halo 4 is coming soon. Do you believe in karma?
You know, it’s a well known fact that people who dislike Reach are usually very good at the said game. Many times also possessing a good understanding of the gameplay and the mechancis it consists of. In reality, the player who can see the problems of the game has adapted in the best possible way to be able to see the problems. On the other hand, the player who hasn’t adapted hasn’t gathered an understanding of the game mechanics and their effects, therefore they can’t possibly know what’s wrong.
Has it ever crossed your mind that the majority who likes Reach, might not actually care if the game is changed? Surely, there is the minority who would defend the mechanics of Reach to death, part of that minority also happens to be here on the forums. Then there is the huge majority who either don’t care or care for a while, but are happy with the changes. I would say that at the moment, only a very small percentage of the players were pissed offf with the TU, Halo 4 will still have a lot of popularity.
> > I was just thinking, Do you think a smaller reason why 343i made the TU was for us to be ready for H4? I mean see how the change from halo 3 and reach turned out for some people.
> > Just a random thought.
>
> No, it’s because some people lack skill so they have to have the game changed to the way they need it to be. Because they are unable to adapt to a game, they have to ruin it for everyone else. And 343 would rather piss off the majority than have a small minority come on the forums every day. Well guess what 343? halo 4 is coming soon. Do you believe in karma?
lol. Most players who hated vanilla reach complained but were still wrecking the general population of reach goers. Want they wanted was more of their kills not stolen from cheap gimmicks like bloom and armor lock. All those players really wanted were the extra kills they rightfully earned each match. What the TU did was a “the rich get richer and the poor get poorer” kinda update to the game. The Good players stayed good and racked up even more damage while the bad just got worse and exposed.
before TU was ever introduced I was running circles around most players in vanilla reach. I hate vanilla reach and the way reach plays. Now with TU I do the same thing just about exactly as I did before. It hasn’t changed much for me except now the players that were bad from the get go now are exposed to just how bad they really are. The players, who for the most part, failed in games like Halo 3 can’t hide anymore.
I don’t care about the TU or Vanilla. I adjust to whatever game mode or settings are thrown at me (regardless how cheap they are like vanilla reach) and I keep on destroying.
> > > I was just thinking, Do you think a smaller reason why 343i made the TU was for us to be ready for H4? I mean see how the change from halo 3 and reach turned out for some people.
> > > Just a random thought.
> >
> > No, it’s because some people lack skill so they have to have the game changed to the way they need it to be. Because they are unable to adapt to a game, they have to ruin it for everyone else. And 343 would rather piss off the majority than have a small minority come on the forums every day. Well guess what 343? halo 4 is coming soon. Do you believe in karma?
>
> It’s nothing to do with “not being able to adapt”, people hate Reach because it isn’t fun at all.
Yeah. Reach lacked any sort of fun at all. Even the Customs sucked.
> Totally possible and likely, they seem to be pushing it very hard and I think Halo 4 is the reason.
I don’t think it is very likley. I believe the only reason they made the TU was because of the massive amounts of complaint they were recieving. Though you never know!
> Totally possible and likely, they seem to be pushing it very hard and I think Halo 4 is the reason.
I think it’s b/c it would be a huge embarrassment for 343 if their TU was unfavorable.
I lol’d so hard when I saw the pop-up in Reach.
> > > I was just thinking, Do you think a smaller reason why 343i made the TU was for us to be ready for H4? I mean see how the change from halo 3 and reach turned out for some people.
> > > Just a random thought.
> >
> > No, it’s because some people lack skill so they have to have the game changed to the way they need it to be. Because they are unable to adapt to a game, they have to ruin it for everyone else. And 343 would rather piss off the majority than have a small minority come on the forums every day. Well guess what 343? halo 4 is coming soon. Do you believe in karma?
>
> You know, it’s a well known fact that people who dislike Reach are usually very good at the said game. Many times also possessing a good understanding of the gameplay and the mechancis it consists of. In reality, the player who can see the problems of the game has adapted in the best possible way to be able to see the problems. On the other hand, the player who hasn’t adapted hasn’t gathered an understanding of the game mechanics and their effects, therefore they can’t possibly know what’s wrong.
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> Has it ever crossed your mind that the majority who likes Reach, might not actually care if the game is changed? Surely, there is the minority who would defend the mechanics of Reach to death, part of that minority also happens to be here on the forums. Then there is the huge majority who either don’t care or care for a while, but are happy with the changes. I would say that at the moment, only a very small percentage of the players were pissed offf with the TU, Halo 4 will still have a lot of popularity.
Where are both of you guys getting your numbers? Your arguments have 0 validity until you back yourself up.
/facedesk
They made the tu for halo anniversary and to a lesser extent to fix reach.
> > > I was just thinking, Do you think a smaller reason why 343i made the TU was for us to be ready for H4? I mean see how the change from halo 3 and reach turned out for some people.
> > > Just a random thought.
> >
> > No, it’s because some people lack skill so they have to have the game changed to the way they need it to be. Because they are unable to adapt to a game, they have to ruin it for everyone else. And 343 would rather piss off the majority than have a small minority come on the forums every day. Well guess what 343? halo 4 is coming soon. Do you believe in karma?
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> It’s nothing to do with “not being able to adapt”, people hate Reach because it isn’t fun at all.
Oh, but it is fun. Also, people that don’t adapt to change are typically the ones -Yoinking!- about things that don’t go their way. So they throw a hissy fit. I’m satisfied with Reach and adapted to each halo game, and that’s why you don’t see me shedding tears. So YES it has a lot to do with adapting Ans the fact that people made the assumption that Reach would be very similar to Halo 3 in particular. If you look at reach complaints, most of them bring up halo 3 and have this hilarious idea that Reach should’ve been a copy of Halo 3.
OP, Reach was broken and needed to be fixed. It has nothing to do with Halo 4.
/thread
> Oh, but it is fun. Also, people that don’t adapt to change are typically the ones -Yoink!- about things that don’t go their way. So they throw a hissy fit. I’m satisfied with Reach and adapted to each halo game, and that’s why you don’t see me shedding tears. So YES it has a lot to do with adapting Ans the fact that people made the assumption that Reach would be very similar to Halo 3 in particular. If you look at reach complaints, most of them bring up halo 3 and have this hilarious idea that Reach should’ve been a copy of Halo 3.
Reach took everything bad about Halo 3 and made it even worse.
Slow movement speed and jump height -> Even slower movement speed and jump height
Equipment -> Armor Lock
BR Spread -> Bloom
Bad netcode -> Good netcode as long as you live within 2000km of host. Worse than H3 otherwise.
Bad maps -> Every map is now worse than Snowbound
Oh and the power weapons became too strong and easy to use in Reach and the grenades are simply too strong.
> > You know, it’s a well known fact that people who dislike Reach are usually very good at the said game. Many times also possessing a good understanding of the gameplay and the mechancis it consists of. In reality, the player who can see the problems of the game has adapted in the best possible way to be able to see the problems. On the other hand, the player who hasn’t adapted hasn’t gathered an understanding of the game mechanics and their effects, therefore they can’t possibly know what’s wrong.
> >
> > Has it ever crossed your mind that the majority who likes Reach, might not actually care if the game is changed? Surely, there is the minority who would defend the mechanics of Reach to death, part of that minority also happens to be here on the forums. Then there is the huge majority who either don’t care or care for a while, but are happy with the changes. I would say that at the moment, only a very small percentage of the players were pissed off with the TU, Halo 4 will still have a lot of popularity.
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> Where are both of you guys getting your numbers? Your arguments have 0 validity until you back yourself up.
>
> /facedesk
What numbers, may I ask? I only used very vague terms such as majority and minority, none of us has any numbers. But a lack of numbers doesn’t automatically invalidate an argument. My argument was based on an educated guess and common sense. You see, why do you think those players aren’t rushing to these forums, and never have? Surely, had the title update pissed them off, we would have seen a drastic increase of about (let’s play it safe) 200,000 new accounts. Even then, that would’ve only been about one fourth of the whole player base. Still, we didn’t see that, therefore we can assume that the players don’t care.
We just have to understand that every single one of us here on the forums are part of the minority. We care enough to come here and voice our opinions. Those people who don’t come here simply don’t care enough to participate here. Majority of the people who would oppose or defend vanilla Reach to their death talk about it here, maybe some people on the MLG forums, but mainly here. Therefore, no matter what we want, the players who like Reach enough to actually defend it and the people who dislike it enough to criticise it publicly are the minority, will always be. Rest of the players are playing the game completely happy and don’t mind if they are given a new game with different gameplay, referring to Halo 4 of course.
Is that enough backing up, or do I have to explain some more to back up my argument? I won’t start making a public poll as I would never be able to reach the people whose opinions would be the most important, but I do have loads of logic to back up my argument. And if you really have to close out every possibility for inaccuracy, we can just disregard 99% of the population and concentrate on the small part that comes here on the forums. In this case slight inaccuracy may be the better solution, don’t you think?
> OP, Reach was broken and needed to be fixed. It has nothing to do with Halo 4.
> /thread
I guess you could say it wasn’t a real reason to change it… but a beneficial side effect.
I hate how these reach fans say we cant adapt but the thing is we can and we did but reach is just boring, uncompetitive, unbalanced, and random as F so that’s why they made TU.
I wouldnt go as far as to say they made the TU to prepare us but I think (and hope) its a sign of the direction they are heading with Halo 4. No bloom, Bleed through, less emphasis on AAs(hopefully down to none by H4) all good things in my book.