can we all agree that cortana is infected with the logic plague given to her by the gravemind during the events in between halo 2 and 3 and by entering the domain it made the logic plague go into a loop since she can’t die because that’s make the most sense to me
It’s possible, but we can’t say for sure what’s driving her madness until we get more info about Infinite. That theory definitely seems to be the most popular of the many that’ve surfaced since Halo 5.
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> can we all agree that cortana is infected with the logic plague given to her by the gravemind during the events in between halo 2 and 3 and by entering the domain it made the logic plague go into a loop since she can’t die because that’s make the most sense to me
No. I find the logic plague theory to be contrived and pretty much a scapegoat. If she had the logic plague all this time then she wouldn’t have fired the ring in Halo 3. And her ending up in the Domain was pretty much an accident, so if this was all part of the Gravemind’s master plan, then it wasn’t a very good one as it relied on coincidence in order for things to play out in just the right way.
Besides, if she had the logic plague, then raising the Guardians and taking over the galaxy is the most roundabout way to bring back the Flood. She could have secretly traveled to Flood containment facilities through the Domain and just opened them all, and that would have been a much more efficient way of bringing them back.
I do hope that they explain why Cortana abruptly became evil in 5.
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> I do hope that they explain why Cortana abruptly became evil in 5.
They kinda did, but not very well imo. The way I understood it, she basically got access to the Domain and cured her rampancy, which led to her realizing how AIs are viewed as second-class citizens (not even citizens at all really) among the general human population. While characters like Johnson and Chief treated Cortana like a coworker or a friend, most people view AIs as tools, similar to how we use an Amazon Alexa.
I think that had at least something to do with how jarring the transition was. For almost 15 years we’ve seen Cortana as an equal partner in saving the galaxy, and then suddenly she becomes angry and upset at being treated poorly… so from our perspective, that made absolutely no sense. But from a wider perspective, AIs aren’t always treated with respect like Cortana was. She just finally had the chance to point this out, and was in the right place at the right time to do something about it.
This sounds like I’m defending the decision to make her evil, but I assure you I’m not. I just think the transition could have been done much better.
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> > I do hope that they explain why Cortana abruptly became evil in 5.
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> They kinda did, but not very well imo. The way I understood it, she basically got access to the Domain and cured her rampancy, which led to her realizing how AIs are viewed as second-class citizens (not even citizens at all really) among the general human population. While characters like Johnson and Chief treated Cortana like a coworker or a friend, most people view AIs as tools, similar to how we use an Amazon Alexa.
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> I think that had at least something to do with how jarring the transition was. For almost 15 years we’ve seen Cortana as an equal partner in saving the galaxy, and then suddenly she becomes angry and upset at being treated poorly… so from our perspective, that made absolutely no sense. But from a wider perspective, AIs aren’t always treated with respect like Cortana was. She just finally had the chance to point this out, and was in the right place at the right time to do something about it.
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> This sounds like I’m defending the decision to make her evil, but I assure you I’m not. I just think the transition could have been done much better.
I know that much. it’s such an asinine explanation however. There is a theory that the Cortana that we see in 5 is one of her fragmented personalities.
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> > can we all agree that cortana is infected with the logic plague given to her by the gravemind during the events in between halo 2 and 3 and by entering the domain it made the logic plague go into a loop since she can’t die because that’s make the most sense to me
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> No. I find the logic plague theory to be contrived and pretty much a scapegoat. If she had the logic plague all this time then she wouldn’t have fired the ring in Halo 3. And her ending up in the Domain was pretty much an accident, so if this was all part of the Gravemind’s master plan, then it wasn’t a very good one as it relied on coincidence in order for things to play out in just the right way.
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> Besides, if she had the logic plague, then raising the Guardians and taking over the galaxy is the most roundabout way to bring back the Flood. She could have secretly traveled to Flood containment facilities through the Domain and just opened them all, and that would have been a much more efficient way of bringing them back.
I agree. From what i read, it seems that the Cortana we see is actually all the fragmented Cortanas that we saw in Halo 4 recombined and formed into a new Cortana so to speak. That would explain her love for Chief but her twisted view of what’s right and wrong. The Logic plague is a horrible horrible scapegoat which I hope 343 doesn’t decide to use.
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> > > can we all agree that cortana is infected with the logic plague given to her by the gravemind during the events in between halo 2 and 3 and by entering the domain it made the logic plague go into a loop since she can’t die because that’s make the most sense to me
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> > No. I find the logic plague theory to be contrived and pretty much a scapegoat. If she had the logic plague all this time then she wouldn’t have fired the ring in Halo 3. And her ending up in the Domain was pretty much an accident, so if this was all part of the Gravemind’s master plan, then it wasn’t a very good one as it relied on coincidence in order for things to play out in just the right way.
> >
> > Besides, if she had the logic plague, then raising the Guardians and taking over the galaxy is the most roundabout way to bring back the Flood. She could have secretly traveled to Flood containment facilities through the Domain and just opened them all, and that would have been a much more efficient way of bringing them back.
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> I agree. From what i read, it seems that the Cortana we see is actually all the fragmented Cortanas that we saw in Halo 4 recombined and formed into a new Cortana so to speak. That would explain her love for Chief but her twisted view of what’s right and wrong. The Logic plague is a horrible horrible scapegoat which I hope 343 doesn’t decide to use.
Check out the story “Human Weakness” Cortana went through the same process of extended contact with the compound intelligence of the Flood that turned Mendicant Bias against the Forerunners. It’s lore, not a scapegoat. The Logic Plague is literally the Flood using its impossibly high intelligence to present a logical argument that perverts the purpose of the being/AI it has infected, and that is exactly what we see in Halo 5’s Cortana. Even the things she says are things that the Flood and Didact (post-conversation-with-the-Primordial) have said, meaning she’s stating Flood talking-points as her own.
(At the end of Halo 4, one fragment of Cortana was isolated from the ones that went into the portal with the wreck of the ship. That fragment was the aspects of Cortana we loved from Halo CE-4. It’s not until that fragment is lost that she abruptly changes, yielding to the influences that have been tugging at her).
It not being what you wanted doesn’t mean it’s bad.
I don’t think the that it is logic plague I think she might of never taken what the grave mind said but went on her own knowledge and opinion just like when she wanted to keep John and blue team and just pretty much fix the rest of the universe and take control in a way I believe that in a way she is still doing what she has always been doing or what humanity has been doing but on bigger scale and with more consequences like wiping out species but mostly she wants best for the AI and wants them to not go rampant like her or the ones before and she thinks of Doctor Halsey wrong for what she did to John and to all others of the Unsc of Spartans and civilians that were kidnapped for war though in a way it was still justified in a way that though it was morally and physically wrong to kidnap from the colonies of the children it in turn saved humanity from extinction from the covenant so the only to really blame was the precursors for trying to test the species they created to see who holds the mantle instead of keeping the peace between the species and live a happier life but Cortana only see one solution and the only solution that has been going around in the halo universe since the beginning
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> > > > can we all agree that cortana is infected with the logic plague given to her by the gravemind during the events in between halo 2 and 3 and by entering the domain it made the logic plague go into a loop since she can’t die because that’s make the most sense to me
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> > > No. I find the logic plague theory to be contrived and pretty much a scapegoat. If she had the logic plague all this time then she wouldn’t have fired the ring in Halo 3. And her ending up in the Domain was pretty much an accident, so if this was all part of the Gravemind’s master plan, then it wasn’t a very good one as it relied on coincidence in order for things to play out in just the right way.
> > >
> > > Besides, if she had the logic plague, then raising the Guardians and taking over the galaxy is the most roundabout way to bring back the Flood. She could have secretly traveled to Flood containment facilities through the Domain and just opened them all, and that would have been a much more efficient way of bringing them back.
> >
> > I agree. From what i read, it seems that the Cortana we see is actually all the fragmented Cortanas that we saw in Halo 4 recombined and formed into a new Cortana so to speak. That would explain her love for Chief but her twisted view of what’s right and wrong. The Logic plague is a horrible horrible scapegoat which I hope 343 doesn’t decide to use.
>
> Check out the story “Human Weakness” Cortana went through the same process of extended contact with the compound intelligence of the Flood that turned Mendicant Bias against the Forerunners. It’s lore, not a scapegoat. The Logic Plague is literally the Flood using its impossibly high intelligence to present a logical argument that perverts the purpose of the being/AI it has infected, and that is exactly what we see in Halo 5’s Cortana. Even the things she says are things that the Flood and Didact (post-conversation-with-the-Primordial) have said, meaning she’s stating Flood talking-points as her own.
> (At the end of Halo 4, one fragment of Cortana was isolated from the ones that went into the portal with the wreck of the ship. That fragment was the aspects of Cortana we loved from Halo CE-4. It’s not until that fragment is lost that she abruptly changes, yielding to the influences that have been tugging at her).
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> It not being what you wanted doesn’t mean it’s bad.
I realize that and thank you for bringing it back up so that others may see it. However, the point i’m saying is that the Cortana we see in Halo 5 is actually all of the fragmented pieces that the Cortana we knew split off at the end of Halo 4 to help Chief win the fight. The fragmented pieces were combined into a whole Cortana. Those pieces were rampant rather from years of service or Logic plague will be up to 343. Either way the Cortana we see is definitely rampant. The actual Cortana sacrificed herself that Chief may survive at the end of Halo 4.
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> > > > > can we all agree that cortana is infected with the logic plague given to her by the gravemind during the events in between halo 2 and 3 and by entering the domain it made the logic plague go into a loop since she can’t die because that’s make the most sense to me
> > > >
> > > > No. I find the logic plague theory to be contrived and pretty much a scapegoat. If she had the logic plague all this time then she wouldn’t have fired the ring in Halo 3. And her ending up in the Domain was pretty much an accident, so if this was all part of the Gravemind’s master plan, then it wasn’t a very good one as it relied on coincidence in order for things to play out in just the right way.
> > > >
> > > > Besides, if she had the logic plague, then raising the Guardians and taking over the galaxy is the most roundabout way to bring back the Flood. She could have secretly traveled to Flood containment facilities through the Domain and just opened them all, and that would have been a much more efficient way of bringing them back.
> > >
> > > I agree. From what i read, it seems that the Cortana we see is actually all the fragmented Cortanas that we saw in Halo 4 recombined and formed into a new Cortana so to speak. That would explain her love for Chief but her twisted view of what’s right and wrong. The Logic plague is a horrible horrible scapegoat which I hope 343 doesn’t decide to use.
> >
> > Check out the story “Human Weakness” Cortana went through the same process of extended contact with the compound intelligence of the Flood that turned Mendicant Bias against the Forerunners. It’s lore, not a scapegoat. The Logic Plague is literally the Flood using its impossibly high intelligence to present a logical argument that perverts the purpose of the being/AI it has infected, and that is exactly what we see in Halo 5’s Cortana. Even the things she says are things that the Flood and Didact (post-conversation-with-the-Primordial) have said, meaning she’s stating Flood talking-points as her own.
> > (At the end of Halo 4, one fragment of Cortana was isolated from the ones that went into the portal with the wreck of the ship. That fragment was the aspects of Cortana we loved from Halo CE-4. It’s not until that fragment is lost that she abruptly changes, yielding to the influences that have been tugging at her).
> >
> > It not being what you wanted doesn’t mean it’s bad.
>
> I realize that and thank you for bringing it back up so that others may see it. However, the point i’m saying is that the Cortana we see in Halo 5 is actually all of the fragmented pieces that the Cortana we knew split off at the end of Halo 4 to help Chief win the fight. The fragmented pieces were combined into a whole Cortana. Those pieces were rampant rather from years of service or Logic plague will be up to 343. Either way the Cortana we see is definitely rampant. The actual Cortana sacrificed herself that Chief may survive at the end of Halo 4.
I always say about the community’s theories on this are all perfectly possible, being both logical and based on things that happened to Cortana in the past. The only thing that will make any theory “right” or “wrong” is “Which storyline are 343i going with in Halo Infinite?”
Now, to use the out-of-context summary of a famous Frankie quote, “Cortana isn’t evil”. So, following on from Halo 4, I believe the in-game clues in Halo 5 prove that it’s NOT Cortana in Halo 5.
Meanwhile, going with the idea of an imposter (or possibly a sinisterly controlled Cortana Fragment), clues in the Halo Infinite trailers (not least why SPDR boots up in Chief’s visor, which hasn’t been mentioned since Halo 2 “I Love Bees”), all points to something a lot more like this explanation…
https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Seeker .
Unsuprisingly, Halo 5’s “Hunt the truth” motto mirrored the Seeker’s “Seek the truth, behold the truth, reveal the truth”, and lines in Halo 5 like “Cortana” saying “Found you! Hide and SEEK’s over, Infinity!”
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> > > > > > can we all agree that cortana is infected with the logic plague given to her by the gravemind during the events in between halo 2 and 3 and by entering the domain it made the logic plague go into a loop since she can’t die because that’s make the most sense to me
> > > > >
> > > > > No. I find the logic plague theory to be contrived and pretty much a scapegoat. If she had the logic plague all this time then she wouldn’t have fired the ring in Halo 3. And her ending up in the Domain was pretty much an accident, so if this was all part of the Gravemind’s master plan, then it wasn’t a very good one as it relied on coincidence in order for things to play out in just the right way.
> > > > >
> > > > > Besides, if she had the logic plague, then raising the Guardians and taking over the galaxy is the most roundabout way to bring back the Flood. She could have secretly traveled to Flood containment facilities through the Domain and just opened them all, and that would have been a much more efficient way of bringing them back.
> > > >
> > > > I agree. From what i read, it seems that the Cortana we see is actually all the fragmented Cortanas that we saw in Halo 4 recombined and formed into a new Cortana so to speak. That would explain her love for Chief but her twisted view of what’s right and wrong. The Logic plague is a horrible horrible scapegoat which I hope 343 doesn’t decide to use.
> > >
> > > Check out the story “Human Weakness” Cortana went through the same process of extended contact with the compound intelligence of the Flood that turned Mendicant Bias against the Forerunners. It’s lore, not a scapegoat. The Logic Plague is literally the Flood using its impossibly high intelligence to present a logical argument that perverts the purpose of the being/AI it has infected, and that is exactly what we see in Halo 5’s Cortana. Even the things she says are things that the Flood and Didact (post-conversation-with-the-Primordial) have said, meaning she’s stating Flood talking-points as her own.
> > > (At the end of Halo 4, one fragment of Cortana was isolated from the ones that went into the portal with the wreck of the ship. That fragment was the aspects of Cortana we loved from Halo CE-4. It’s not until that fragment is lost that she abruptly changes, yielding to the influences that have been tugging at her).
> > >
> > > It not being what you wanted doesn’t mean it’s bad.
> >
> > I realize that and thank you for bringing it back up so that others may see it. However, the point i’m saying is that the Cortana we see in Halo 5 is actually all of the fragmented pieces that the Cortana we knew split off at the end of Halo 4 to help Chief win the fight. The fragmented pieces were combined into a whole Cortana. Those pieces were rampant rather from years of service or Logic plague will be up to 343. Either way the Cortana we see is definitely rampant. The actual Cortana sacrificed herself that Chief may survive at the end of Halo 4.
>
> I always say about the community’s theories on this are all perfectly possible, being both logical and based on things that happened to Cortana in the past. The only thing that will make any theory “right” or “wrong” is “Which storyline are 343i going with in Halo Infinite?”
>
> Now, to use the out-of-context summary of a famous Frankie quote, “Cortana isn’t evil”. So, following on from Halo 4, I believe the in-game clues in Halo 5 prove that it’s NOT Cortana in Halo 5.
>
> Meanwhile, going with the idea of an imposter (or possibly a sinisterly controlled Cortana Fragment), clues in the Halo Infinite trailers (not least why SPDR boots up in Chief’s visor, which hasn’t been mentioned since Halo 2 “I Love Bees”), all points to something a lot more like this explanation…
>
> https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Seeker .
>
> Unsuprisingly, Halo 5’s “Hunt the truth” motto mirrored the Seeker’s “Seek the truth, behold the truth, reveal the truth”, and lines in Halo 5 like “Cortana” saying “Found you! Hide and SEEK’s over, Infinity!”
I think the context of the “Cortana isn’t evil” quote, is that to be evil, implies intent. In a way, Cortana is more of a machine than she ever was before. She’s attempting to accomplish her goals, and sentient casualties don’t register to her at all, just like how a complex machine with exposed moving parts doesn’t have any concept of responsibility for causing a death if a person gets caught in one of its parts and is killed.
In the official lore, we even see the Cortana fragments out-maneuver the Warden Eternal, and get into the Domain, where they reform into a version of Cortana, so Halo 5’s Cortana IS Cortana, but without her humanity.
which is an exceptionally hard blow, because the fragment of her we grew to love was basically a human without a body at the end of Halo 4.
The logic plague theory just strikes me as a contrived excuse for Brian Reed’s bad writing, and it doesn’t make sense given the events of previous games. Based on the secret message from the E3 Halo Infinite trailer, it is implied that there may be multiple versions of Cortana. This would explain why She suddenly became a megalomaniac in Halo 5, and why Master Chief has an AI (serial number 0453-0) with a serial number very similar to Cortana’s (0452-9).
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> > > > > > > can we all agree that cortana is infected with the logic plague given to her by the gravemind during the events in between halo 2 and 3 and by entering the domain it made the logic plague go into a loop since she can’t die because that’s make the most sense to me
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No. I find the logic plague theory to be contrived and pretty much a scapegoat. If she had the logic plague all this time then she wouldn’t have fired the ring in Halo 3. And her ending up in the Domain was pretty much an accident, so if this was all part of the Gravemind’s master plan, then it wasn’t a very good one as it relied on coincidence in order for things to play out in just the right way.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Besides, if she had the logic plague, then raising the Guardians and taking over the galaxy is the most roundabout way to bring back the Flood. She could have secretly traveled to Flood containment facilities through the Domain and just opened them all, and that would have been a much more efficient way of bringing them back.
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree. From what i read, it seems that the Cortana we see is actually all the fragmented Cortanas that we saw in Halo 4 recombined and formed into a new Cortana so to speak. That would explain her love for Chief but her twisted view of what’s right and wrong. The Logic plague is a horrible horrible scapegoat which I hope 343 doesn’t decide to use.
> > > >
> > > > Check out the story “Human Weakness” Cortana went through the same process of extended contact with the compound intelligence of the Flood that turned Mendicant Bias against the Forerunners. It’s lore, not a scapegoat. The Logic Plague is literally the Flood using its impossibly high intelligence to present a logical argument that perverts the purpose of the being/AI it has infected, and that is exactly what we see in Halo 5’s Cortana. Even the things she says are things that the Flood and Didact (post-conversation-with-the-Primordial) have said, meaning she’s stating Flood talking-points as her own.
> > > > (At the end of Halo 4, one fragment of Cortana was isolated from the ones that went into the portal with the wreck of the ship. That fragment was the aspects of Cortana we loved from Halo CE-4. It’s not until that fragment is lost that she abruptly changes, yielding to the influences that have been tugging at her).
> > > >
> > > > It not being what you wanted doesn’t mean it’s bad.
> > >
> > > I realize that and thank you for bringing it back up so that others may see it. However, the point i’m saying is that the Cortana we see in Halo 5 is actually all of the fragmented pieces that the Cortana we knew split off at the end of Halo 4 to help Chief win the fight. The fragmented pieces were combined into a whole Cortana. Those pieces were rampant rather from years of service or Logic plague will be up to 343. Either way the Cortana we see is definitely rampant. The actual Cortana sacrificed herself that Chief may survive at the end of Halo 4.
> >
> > I always say about the community’s theories on this are all perfectly possible, being both logical and based on things that happened to Cortana in the past. The only thing that will make any theory “right” or “wrong” is “Which storyline are 343i going with in Halo Infinite?”
> >
> > Now, to use the out-of-context summary of a famous Frankie quote, “Cortana isn’t evil”. So, following on from Halo 4, I believe the in-game clues in Halo 5 prove that it’s NOT Cortana in Halo 5.
> >
> > Meanwhile, going with the idea of an imposter (or possibly a sinisterly controlled Cortana Fragment), clues in the Halo Infinite trailers (not least why SPDR boots up in Chief’s visor, which hasn’t been mentioned since Halo 2 “I Love Bees”), all points to something a lot more like this explanation…
> >
> > https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Seeker .
> >
> > Unsuprisingly, Halo 5’s “Hunt the truth” motto mirrored the Seeker’s “Seek the truth, behold the truth, reveal the truth”, and lines in Halo 5 like “Cortana” saying “Found you! Hide and SEEK’s over, Infinity!”
>
> I think the context of the “Cortana isn’t evil” quote, is that to be evil, implies intent. In a way, Cortana is more of a machine than she ever was before. She’s attempting to accomplish her goals, and sentient casualties don’t register to her at all, just like how a complex machine with exposed moving parts doesn’t have any concept of responsibility for causing a death if a person gets caught in one of its parts and is killed.
>
> In the official lore, we even see the Cortana fragments out-maneuver the Warden Eternal, and get into the Domain, where they reform into a version of Cortana, so Halo 5’s Cortana IS Cortana, but without her humanity.
>
> which is an exceptionally hard blow, because the fragment of her we grew to love was basically a human without a body at the end of Halo 4.
Thanks for the reply. Yes, that’s one theory doing the rounds, but with respect, it’s probably wrong!
Reconstructing the context of Frankie’s famous “Cortana isn’t evil”:
Poster: Why is Cortana evil now?
Frankie: What makes you say she’s evil?
Poster: Well, I haven’t played the game myself, but I’ve been reading Spoilers online and they said “Cortana’s evil now”.
Frankie then comments in Time magazine in 2015 that “Some younger fans won’t get that subtlety, that nuance (the alleged “Spoiler” makes the same mistake as most Halo 5 players, because Halo 5 is about false “accusations” like Halsey makes), because they’ll (now just) be looking for Darth Vader (by believing the accusation instead of “hunting the truth”)”.
Meanwile, have you read Dominion Splinter yourself? It’s an ingenious set of “Hunt the truth” puzzles that catches most people out by failing to decode it’s clues.
It begins on page 1 by dividing the page into “blue lines”, so we have to “read between the (blue) lines”. The first panel at the top is the brightest and most colourful image in the story, yet “Cortana” says “It is dark”, so the first thing she says is a lie!
Next, she tells us a made up story about Durendal, when with “smatterings” of “an attempted cover-up” (blue paint spatters), Marco Rudy paints the Sword of Rocamadour, an “alleged fragment” and “replica” of Durendal, so by extension, as she likening herself to this story, she is “an alleged fragment of Cortana” and a “replica of Cortana”, as per all the clues in Halo 5 itself. “Hunt the truth” at:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durendal#Local_lore .
For more about the H5 plot reveal inspired by the “I Love Bees” Seeker-AI story, see the direct link to my VIDEO 7 below. You can reply about any of those videos on my Forum Post here .
VIDEO 7: Direct link to HI Trailers analysis .
Hope this helps. 
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> > > > > > > > can we all agree that cortana is infected with the logic plague given to her by the gravemind during the events in between halo 2 and 3 and by entering the domain it made the logic plague go into a loop since she can’t die because that’s make the most sense to me
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> > > > > > > No. I find the logic plague theory to be contrived and pretty much a scapegoat. If she had the logic plague all this time then she wouldn’t have fired the ring in Halo 3. And her ending up in the Domain was pretty much an accident, so if this was all part of the Gravemind’s master plan, then it wasn’t a very good one as it relied on coincidence in order for things to play out in just the right way.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Besides, if she had the logic plague, then raising the Guardians and taking over the galaxy is the most roundabout way to bring back the Flood. She could have secretly traveled to Flood containment facilities through the Domain and just opened them all, and that would have been a much more efficient way of bringing them back.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I agree. From what i read, it seems that the Cortana we see is actually all the fragmented Cortanas that we saw in Halo 4 recombined and formed into a new Cortana so to speak. That would explain her love for Chief but her twisted view of what’s right and wrong. The Logic plague is a horrible horrible scapegoat which I hope 343 doesn’t decide to use.
> > > > >
> > > > > Check out the story “Human Weakness” Cortana went through the same process of extended contact with the compound intelligence of the Flood that turned Mendicant Bias against the Forerunners. It’s lore, not a scapegoat. The Logic Plague is literally the Flood using its impossibly high intelligence to present a logical argument that perverts the purpose of the being/AI it has infected, and that is exactly what we see in Halo 5’s Cortana. Even the things she says are things that the Flood and Didact (post-conversation-with-the-Primordial) have said, meaning she’s stating Flood talking-points as her own.
> > > > > (At the end of Halo 4, one fragment of Cortana was isolated from the ones that went into the portal with the wreck of the ship. That fragment was the aspects of Cortana we loved from Halo CE-4. It’s not until that fragment is lost that she abruptly changes, yielding to the influences that have been tugging at her).
> > > > >
> > > > > It not being what you wanted doesn’t mean it’s bad.
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> > > > I realize that and thank you for bringing it back up so that others may see it. However, the point i’m saying is that the Cortana we see in Halo 5 is actually all of the fragmented pieces that the Cortana we knew split off at the end of Halo 4 to help Chief win the fight. The fragmented pieces were combined into a whole Cortana. Those pieces were rampant rather from years of service or Logic plague will be up to 343. Either way the Cortana we see is definitely rampant. The actual Cortana sacrificed herself that Chief may survive at the end of Halo 4.
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> Thanks for the reply. Yes, that’s one theory doing the rounds, but with respect, it’s probably wrong!
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> Reconstructing the context of Frankie’s famous “Cortana isn’t evil”:
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> Poster: Why is Cortana evil now?
> Frankie: What makes you say she’s evil?
> Poster: Well, I haven’t played the game myself, but I’ve been reading Spoilers online and they said “Cortana’s evil now”.
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> Frankie then comments in Time magazine in 2015 that “Some younger fans won’t get that subtlety, that nuance (the alleged “Spoiler” makes the same mistake as most Halo 5 players, because Halo 5 is about false “accusations” like Halsey makes), because they’ll (now just) be looking for Darth Vader (by believing the accusation instead of “hunting the truth”)”.
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> Meanwile, have you read Dominion Splinter yourself? It’s an ingenious set of “Hunt the truth” puzzles that catches most people out by failing to decode it’s clues.
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> It begins on page 1 by dividing the page into “blue lines”, so we have to “read between the (blue) lines”. The first panel at the top is the brightest and most colourful image in the story, yet “Cortana” says “It is dark”, so the first thing she says is a lie!
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> Next, she tells us a made up story about Durendal, when with “smatterings” of “an attempted cover-up” (blue paint spatters), Marco Rudy paints the Sword of Rocamadour, an “alleged fragment” and “replica” of Durendal, so by extension, as she likening herself to this story, she is “an alleged fragment of Cortana” and a “replica of Cortana”, as per all the clues in Halo 5 itself. “Hunt the truth” at:
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With due respect, I believe you’ve taken a hard left turn away from cannon with your theory, and you’re reading into pictures lore that isn’t there.
In Dominion Splinter, starting at page 100 in Tales From Slipspace, Cortana is talking to herself at the beginning. There’s no one for her to be lying to. The top of the page is the explosion of the Mantle’s Approach, following which, the rampant Cortana fragments weren’t inhabiting any technology, and consequently had no means of receiving input. The Cortana fragments recognize that they should be a single entity, but they’re disconnected, functioning as individuals, with no means of reuniting.
Then she contacts the Domain, which she interprets as a point of light that she reaches for. That contact reunites the cortana fragments, restoring them to a single AI, the Cortana from Halo 5.
Cortana compares herself to the mythical sharpest sword in existence, a sword that thrown split a mountain, and did not break. This is a boast against an unknown threat. She describes the might of the sword, then contrasts it with her intent, requesting the unknown threat let her pass.
The Warden Eternal (the unknown threat) reveals to Cortana that the Domain was closed by the last people who found it. This is clearly a reference to Promises to Keep (PG81 in Halo Fractures), when Bornstellar takes a team to Maethrillian to reboot Abaddon, causing the Domain to begin repairing.
You also need only to see Cortana’s boast a couple pages later to see that she has absolutely been infected by the Gravemind’s Logic Plague. “I have held back that Flood. I have known its secrets. I have met it mind to mind and I have prevailed. And I have sent it to Oblivion.”
Compare this to the story “Human Weakness” when we get to see first hand Cortana’s experience with the Gravemind, and she didn’t prevail, she was crushed. The Gravemind had its way with her and threw her out. Even her attempt to undermine it by sending a message to Master Chief only made it to Earth because the Gravemind knew she was doing it, boosted the signal so the message could be detected, and then crashed a ship onto Earth so Master Chief could retrieve it. Cortana was utterly, defeated.
Also, Frankie’s interview does not support your claim at all. He says there’s nuance that many people miss, differentiating what Cortana is, and “evil”. He also says people are “expecting Darth Vader”. Darth Vader’s reveal as Luke’s father was an enormous surprise when it happened. Frankie is saying that some people are looking for a huge twist with Cortana, but they’re missing what’s there. Cortana as she exists in Halo 5 is just what’s left of Cortana, reformed from the fragments that survived the destruction of the Mantle’s Approach.
He also says “a lot of our younger players”, not “most halo players”
Regarding Halo’s lore, if it’s canonical published material, I’ve probably read it. I don’t follow all of the forums, because so many of the ideas presented have such thin ties to the canonical content that they’re scarcely related at all.
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> > > > > > > > > can we all agree that cortana is infected with the logic plague given to her by the gravemind during the events in between halo 2 and 3 and by entering the domain it made the logic plague go into a loop since she can’t die because that’s make the most sense to me
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> > > > > > > > No. I find the logic plague theory to be contrived and pretty much a scapegoat. If she had the logic plague all this time then she wouldn’t have fired the ring in Halo 3. And her ending up in the Domain was pretty much an accident, so if this was all part of the Gravemind’s master plan, then it wasn’t a very good one as it relied on coincidence in order for things to play out in just the right way.
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> > > > > > > > Besides, if she had the logic plague, then raising the Guardians and taking over the galaxy is the most roundabout way to bring back the Flood. She could have secretly traveled to Flood containment facilities through the Domain and just opened them all, and that would have been a much more efficient way of bringing them back.
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> > > > > > > I agree. From what i read, it seems that the Cortana we see is actually all the fragmented Cortanas that we saw in Halo 4 recombined and formed into a new Cortana so to speak. That would explain her love for Chief but her twisted view of what’s right and wrong. The Logic plague is a horrible horrible scapegoat which I hope 343 doesn’t decide to use.
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> > > > > > Check out the story “Human Weakness” Cortana went through the same process of extended contact with the compound intelligence of the Flood that turned Mendicant Bias against the Forerunners. It’s lore, not a scapegoat. The Logic Plague is literally the Flood using its impossibly high intelligence to present a logical argument that perverts the purpose of the being/AI it has infected, and that is exactly what we see in Halo 5’s Cortana. Even the things she says are things that the Flood and Didact (post-conversation-with-the-Primordial) have said, meaning she’s stating Flood talking-points as her own.
> > > > > > (At the end of Halo 4, one fragment of Cortana was isolated from the ones that went into the portal with the wreck of the ship. That fragment was the aspects of Cortana we loved from Halo CE-4. It’s not until that fragment is lost that she abruptly changes, yielding to the influences that have been tugging at her).
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> > > > > > It not being what you wanted doesn’t mean it’s bad.
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> > > > > I realize that and thank you for bringing it back up so that others may see it. However, the point i’m saying is that the Cortana we see in Halo 5 is actually all of the fragmented pieces that the Cortana we knew split off at the end of Halo 4 to help Chief win the fight. The fragmented pieces were combined into a whole Cortana. Those pieces were rampant rather from years of service or Logic plague will be up to 343. Either way the Cortana we see is definitely rampant. The actual Cortana sacrificed herself that Chief may survive at the end of Halo 4.
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> With due respect, I believe you’ve taken a hard left turn away from cannon with your theory, and you’re reading into pictures lore that isn’t there…
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> … Regarding Halo’s lore, if it’s canonical published material, I’ve probably read it. I don’t follow all of the forums, because so many of the ideas presented have such thin ties to the canonical content that they’re scarcely related at all.
Were you hoping I’d now write “I stand corrected!”? 
I agree you’re right about the “alleged explanation” for Halo 5 and Dominion Splinter, but with respect to you and all the other players that is not the same answer as found by playing “Hunt The Truth”.
I maintain that according to H5 in-game clues, “established Lore” is that it is not Cortana in Halo 5 at all, but an outright imposter. She cannot be a “fragment of Cortana”, anymore than she is “controlled by the Gravemind”.
In the Series-2 Data Drops (link below), is it also “established Lore” that “Cortana murdered Aine” on June 21st 2557, 1651 days after the Halo Event of December 2552 (Crate 7: Doc 2), proving she’s “a psychopath, like a clone of Dr. Halsey would be”? Or that Master Chief “revisited High Charity on the Ark” on December 17th 2553 (Crate 9: Doc 2), 1 year and 1 week after the Halo Event of December 11th 2552? Or are these both lies that also show “(the established Lore) history is being rewritten to frame Cortana for the Guardians as part of the ONI cover-up”, as it is in Halo 5 and Dominion Splinter:
Click Here For Series-2 Data Drops .
As one of, if not the only, player on this Forum that maintains that the Halo 5 Concept Trailers and Infographic accurately portrayed the plot in Halo 5, with no mismatches at all, presumably that’s because I “found the truth”. Only wrong theories don’t match the H5 trailers or Infographic.
I maintain that’s not Cortana in Halo 5 nor in the Domain in Dominion Splinter. Cortana is innocent and will return in Halo Infinite, as per Halo 3:
Lord Hood: Do you trust Cortana that much?
Master Chief: Sir! Yes, Sir!
I’m sticking with the big green guy on this one.
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> > > > > > > > > > can we all agree that cortana is infected with the logic plague given to her by the gravemind during the events in between halo 2 and 3 and by entering the domain it made the logic plague go into a loop since she can’t die because that’s make the most sense to me
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> > > > > > > > > No. I find the logic plague theory to be contrived and pretty much a scapegoat. If she had the logic plague all this time then she wouldn’t have fired the ring in Halo 3. And her ending up in the Domain was pretty much an accident, so if this was all part of the Gravemind’s master plan, then it wasn’t a very good one as it relied on coincidence in order for things to play out in just the right way.
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> > > > > > > > > Besides, if she had the logic plague, then raising the Guardians and taking over the galaxy is the most roundabout way to bring back the Flood. She could have secretly traveled to Flood containment facilities through the Domain and just opened them all, and that would have been a much more efficient way of bringing them back.
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> > > > > > > > I agree. From what i read, it seems that the Cortana we see is actually all the fragmented Cortanas that we saw in Halo 4 recombined and formed into a new Cortana so to speak. That would explain her love for Chief but her twisted view of what’s right and wrong. The Logic plague is a horrible horrible scapegoat which I hope 343 doesn’t decide to use.
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> > > > > > > Check out the story “Human Weakness” Cortana went through the same process of extended contact with the compound intelligence of the Flood that turned Mendicant Bias against the Forerunners. It’s lore, not a scapegoat. The Logic Plague is literally the Flood using its impossibly high intelligence to present a logical argument that perverts the purpose of the being/AI it has infected, and that is exactly what we see in Halo 5’s Cortana. Even the things she says are things that the Flood and Didact (post-conversation-with-the-Primordial) have said, meaning she’s stating Flood talking-points as her own.
> > > > > > > (At the end of Halo 4, one fragment of Cortana was isolated from the ones that went into the portal with the wreck of the ship. That fragment was the aspects of Cortana we loved from Halo CE-4. It’s not until that fragment is lost that she abruptly changes, yielding to the influences that have been tugging at her).
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> > > > > > > It not being what you wanted doesn’t mean it’s bad.
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> > > > > > I realize that and thank you for bringing it back up so that others may see it. However, the point i’m saying is that the Cortana we see in Halo 5 is actually all of the fragmented pieces that the Cortana we knew split off at the end of Halo 4 to help Chief win the fight. The fragmented pieces were combined into a whole Cortana. Those pieces were rampant rather from years of service or Logic plague will be up to 343. Either way the Cortana we see is definitely rampant. The actual Cortana sacrificed herself that Chief may survive at the end of Halo 4.
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> > With due respect, I believe you’ve taken a hard left turn away from cannon with your theory, and you’re reading into pictures lore that isn’t there…
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> > … Regarding Halo’s lore, if it’s canonical published material, I’ve probably read it. I don’t follow all of the forums, because so many of the ideas presented have such thin ties to the canonical content that they’re scarcely related at all.
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> “I stand corrected”?
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> I agree you’re right about the “alleged explanation” for Halo 5 and Dominion Splinter, but that is not the same answer as found by playing “Hunt The Truth”. With respect…
> According to H5 in-game clues, “established Lore” is that it is not Cortana in Halo 5 at all, but an outright imposter. She cannot be a “fragment of Cortana”, anymore than she is “controlled by the Gravemind”.
> In the Series-2 Data Drops, is it also “established Lore” that “Cortana murdered Aine” on June 21st 2557, 1651 days after the Halo Event of December 2552 (Crate 7: Doc 2), proving she’s “a psychopath, like a clone of Dr. Halsey would be”? Or that Master Chief “revisited High Charity on the Ark” on December 17th 2553 (Crate 9: Doc 2), 1 year and 1 week after the Halo Event of December 11th 2552? Or are these both lies that also show “(the established Lore) history is being rewritten to frame Cortana for the Guardians as part of the ONI cover-up”, as it is in Halo 5 and Dominion Splinter.
> As one of, if not the only, player on this Forum that maintains that the Halo 5 Concept Trailers and Infographic accurately portrayed the plot in Halo 5, with no mismatches at all, presumably that’s because I “found the truth”. Only wrong theories don’t match the H5 trailers or Infographic.
> I maintain that’s not Cortana in Halo 5 nor in the Domain in Dominion Splinter. Cortana is innocent and will return in Halo Infinite, as per Halo 3:
> Lord Hood: Do you trust Cortana that much?
> Master Chief: Sir! Yes, Sir!
> I’m sticking with the big green guy on this one.
Dominion Splinter directly shows how we got from Halo 4’s Cortana fragments to Halo 5’s Cortana. It is the canonical explanation. Adding the word “alleged” to an established fact doesn’t demote the fact to mere theory.
You’re zealously elevating mere promotional material, and ignoring official canonical content in the novels and games, and given what you’ve said so far, I don’t think you’re interpreting any of it as what it actually is.
Nothing in Halo 5 suggests that Cortana is not Cortana. Clearly something’s wrong with her (the missing fragment containing her Humanity being lost after saving Master Chief at the end of Halo 4), but as 343I have said, she IS Cortana.
You shouldn’t claim otherwise without presenting what you think is proof (Full quotations that speak for themselves, links to the articles, screen-shots of relevant images, title, page number (and edition where relevant) of published books, etc)
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> No. I find the logic plague theory to be contrived and pretty much a scapegoat. If she had the logic plague all this time then she wouldn’t have fired the ring in Halo 3. And her ending up in the Domain was pretty much an accident, so if this was all part of the Gravemind’s master plan, then it wasn’t a very good one as it relied on coincidence in order for things to play out in just the right way.
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> Besides, if she had the logic plague, then raising the Guardians and taking over the galaxy is the most roundabout way to bring back the Flood. She could have secretly traveled to Flood containment facilities through the Domain and just opened them all, and that would have been a much more efficient way of bringing them back.
I dont know. Bringing the Guardians into play could be a power play. Basically suppressing the galaxy and allying with the most prominent force in the galaxy currently (The Banished). Granted I don’t really know for sure if they’re allied. I haven’t read the newer novels. But the Brute leader in the trailer mentions Atriox and “The Harbinger” that could just be what they call her. And she doesn’t seem to be stopping them. She could just be waiting for the UNSC remnants to be wiped out. But regardless. My reasoning on the Guardians is that with them active and under Cortana’s control then a Flood resurgence would be nigh unstoppable if she is indeed infected with the Logic Plague.
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> > No. I find the logic plague theory to be contrived and pretty much a scapegoat. If she had the logic plague all this time then she wouldn’t have fired the ring in Halo 3. And her ending up in the Domain was pretty much an accident, so if this was all part of the Gravemind’s master plan, then it wasn’t a very good one as it relied on coincidence in order for things to play out in just the right way.
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> > Besides, if she had the logic plague, then raising the Guardians and taking over the galaxy is the most roundabout way to bring back the Flood. She could have secretly traveled to Flood containment facilities through the Domain and just opened them all, and that would have been a much more efficient way of bringing them back.
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> I dont know. Bringing the Guardians into play could be a power play. Basically suppressing the galaxy and allying with the most prominent force in the galaxy currently (The Banished). Granted I don’t really know for sure if they’re allied. I haven’t read the newer novels. But the Brute leader in the trailer mentions Atriox and “The Harbinger” that could just be what they call her. And she doesn’t seem to be stopping them. She could just be waiting for the UNSC remnants to be wiped out. But regardless. My reasoning on the Guardians is that with them active and under Cortana’s control then a Flood resurgence would be nigh unstoppable if she is indeed infected with the Logic Plague.
The Created and the Banished are not allied; the Banished aren’t fans of Cortana either, she’s messing with their ability to conduct their business. They’re hiding from her as much as the UNSC.
A good portion of the Created’s forces are Prometheans, which were originally designed to combat Flood. Though they ultimately weren’t enough to fight back against a galactic-scale infestation, against a small infestation they’d probably be more useful than Sentinels. So even if the UNSC couldn’t fight the Flood because Cortana demilitarized them, they wouldn’t have to. It’s not like humans were ever that good at fighting flood in the games. Even if Cortana had the plague (and I don’t think she does), her Prometheans wouldn’t. And given their history with the Flood, they’d be unlikely to just sit back and let Flood take over.
I think it makes pretty good sense that Cortana went all bad guy on us in h5. She’s always been conceded, she suffered immediately after h1 when she was thrust into the forerunner tech, she was tortured by gravemind, she outlived her 7 year life cycle. Most importantly though, she was sprung from Dr. Halsey’s “clone” brain. Dr. Halsey was willing to literally kidnap children, put them through insane training, pump them full of chemical augmentations, and let them fight for humanity at the age of 16. She was always willing to sacrifice small to save the big. On top of that, she was willing to play god to do it. Cortana just had the opportunity to do the same thing on a bigger scale because of h4. There’s no mystery here, just a logic chain.