I see all of these people on Waypoint complaining about how 343i ruined Halo. They constantly complain about everything they don’t like, they make countless posts about it, yet at least 95% of said posts don’t even contain actual solutions or suggestions to the so-called “problems”. They consist solely of complaints, complaints, and more complaints.
I’m not saying that all of the posts that hold complaints about Halo 4 aren’t constructive, some of the people who actually have suggestions for the problems they see, have some really good ideas. But unfortunately, they are the minority.
Waypoint forums in a nutshell: “DMR is OP, nerf nao pls”, “wow 343i u ruined Halo, good job”, “CSR is broken”, “my CSR is too low for someone of my skill level”, “stahp voting Ragnarok and Exile pls kthxbai”, and let’s not forget the classic “custom classes ruined Halo, this is CoD now”.
If you’re gonna complain, at least do it in a manner that doesn’t make you look like an idiot. Try to provide ACTUAL FEEDBACK, not complaints that don’t do anything. 343i does actually listen to your feedback, not as much as some, or most of you would like, but they do, and they try to take our suggestions to heart. You wanted a ranking system. You got a ranking system. Now that you have it, you complain that it’s broken, yet offer no ideas on how to improve it. Well think! It’s not that hard.
It would be nice to see some actual feedback on these forums, instead of the constant pointless threads that do nothing to help 343i.
Just so you know, you aren’t helping. There have been plenty of threads like this, and they never change anything. People will just say what they want.
> Just so you know, you aren’t helping. There have been plenty of threads like this, and they never change anything. People will just say what they want.
Doesn’t mean I can’t try lol.
Then you’re looking at the wrong threads. What needs to be done is pretty clear.
I agree its laughably hard to find but its there. This thread doesn’t help though.
> Just so you know, you aren’t helping. <mark>There have been plenty of threads like this, and they never change anything.</mark>People will just say what they want.
Exactly.
> > Just so you know, you aren’t helping. There have been plenty of threads like this, and they never change anything. People will just say what they want.
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> Doesn’t mean I can’t try lol.
Well at least your being an active participant on Waypoint. Which is good.
Selective reading, there are plenty of threads with suggestions to make the game better.
I love Halo 4, and see where you are coming from.
However, there are many posters that do not like Halo 4, but remain respectful and lay out cogent arguments and give constructive criticism.
How much patience and constructive criticism do expect after 6 months of waiting?
> How much patience and constructive criticism do expect after 6 months of waiting?
The standard in which one conducts oneself should be largely independent with how one is perceived to be getting treated.
Stay classy and remain classy.
There have been too many threads with constructive criticism to even count.
Every day there’s a new one, detailing how to fix ordnances, how to fix JiP, or how to fix competitive settings.
343i have shown that they sorta kinda listen, but ultimately will do whatever they want to change the game. Most of the people who understand how to formulate an argument have already lost patience and left.
Everyone has a reason not to like Halo 4. Especially the older Halo players who know how to play, but they can’t use their true skill on Halo 4 because the game is so messed up (which is my opinion) .
> There have been too many threads with constructive criticism to even count.
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> Every day there’s a new one, detailing how to fix ordnances, how to fix JiP, or how to fix competitive settings.
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> 343i have shown that they sorta kinda listen, but ultimately will do whatever they want to change the game. Most of the people who understand how to formulate an argument have already lost patience and left.
Listening and complying are two different things.
In discourse each party details their perspective and hopefully a synthesis is achieved.
If consensus is not reached, then the parties agree to disagree and maintain the status quo, or part company.
Nothing wrong with leaving.
> Everyone has a reason not to like Halo 4. Especially the older Halo players who know how to play, but they can’t use their true skill on Halo 4 because the game is so messed up (which is my opinion) .
But many people think that they are better than what they are.
The cream always rises to the top.
The skilled player doing up against an unskilled player will win at the end of the day.
DMR vs DMR, the best player wins.
> > Everyone has a reason not to like Halo 4. Especially the older Halo players who know how to play, but they can’t use their true skill on Halo 4 because the game is so messed up (which is my opinion) .
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> But many people think that they are better than what they are.
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> The cream always rises to the top.
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> The skilled player doing up against an unskilled player will win at the end of the day.
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> DMR vs DMR, the best player wins.
That’s my point. Noobs think they’re good just because Halo 4 is more noob oriented. That’s the big mistake IMO.
> > There have been too many threads with constructive criticism to even count.
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> > Every day there’s a new one, detailing how to fix ordnances, how to fix JiP, or how to fix competitive settings.
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> > 343i have shown that they sorta kinda listen, but ultimately will do whatever they want to change the game. Most of the people who understand how to formulate an argument have already lost patience and left.
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> Listening and complying are two different things.
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> In discourse each party details their perspective and hopefully a synthesis is achieved.
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> If consensus is not reached, then the parties agree to disagree and maintain the status quo, or part company.
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> Nothing wrong with leaving.
There is an issue when a company acts (or wants to act) like they listen to their consumers, but change things needlessly regardless.
I hate when people leave, because the Halo community is shrinking. This is 99% due to 343i’s incompetence, and if you think leaving is fine, you clearly don’t care about Halo as a series and top game.
> > > There have been too many threads with constructive criticism to even count.
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> > > Every day there’s a new one, detailing how to fix ordnances, how to fix JiP, or how to fix competitive settings.
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> > > 343i have shown that they sorta kinda listen, but ultimately will do whatever they want to change the game. Most of the people who understand how to formulate an argument have already lost patience and left.
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> > Listening and complying are two different things.
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> > In discourse each party details their perspective and hopefully a synthesis is achieved.
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> > If consensus is not reached, then the parties agree to disagree and maintain the status quo, or part company.
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> > Nothing wrong with leaving.
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> There is an issue when a company acts (or wants to act) like they listen to their consumers, but change things needlessly regardless.
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> I hate when people leave, because the Halo community is shrinking. This is 99% due to 343i’s incompetence, and if you think leaving is fine, you clearly don’t care about Halo as a series and top game.
Maybe it is because I am an old fart (39) that understands that you cannot force companies or individuals to do things that they simply do not want to do…
Once we move from friendly suggestions to the expectations that these suggestions will be carried out, I think that we open ourselves to hurt.
I love Halo, and I think that it is presumptuous that you think that I do not.
But I also know that franchises enjoy peaks and lulls, and death.
Mortal Kombat
GTA
Street Fighter
Doom
Counterstrike
StarCraft
Diablo
Are just a few that oscillate in popularity.
Once again, many threads have detailed what many us want.
Halo 5 will be the litmus test to see if Halo is still relevant for many gamers.
> Halo 5 will be the litmus test to see if Halo is still relevant for many gamers.
I disagree. I believe Halo 5 will be a test of whether or not Halo will still be a game that actually functions properly.
Halo Reach began to take Halo down a terrible path, and 343i decided to continue down that path rather than “take Halo to its roots”, as it said it would.
The ultimate downfall of Halo is the shift from Arena Shooter to Class-based Shooter, and if Halo 5 remains focused on classes, inequality, and flawed gameplay mechanics that promote randomness, Halo as a series will perish.
To be fair, no one comes to a forum to give good feedback, just to complain.
that said, if you’ve noticed, most complaint/bashing threads are more about pointing out faults with the game and not making suggestions on how they can improve it, all the while ignoring what is good in the game.