Console Scalping - And if it might effect Halo

This isn’t directly and totally about Halo: Infinite… So I apologise if I have placed this thread incorrectly.
However, as an avid gamer (no pro) in Australia, I’ve been wanting to get the Series X since it was announced, primarily for when Halo was to come out.
Now with how quickly it sells out, apparently largely to scalpers, and with the logistical problems relating to COVID and further spoken of dubiously, I wonder if I’ll even be able to get it by the time Halo: Infinite comes out.
Taking into account the pandemic and political tensions across the Asia Pacific region.

My question:
Do you think that the scalping of new consoles (people buying it new and reselling at crazy markups on ebay) will potentially effect Halo: Infinite?
And do you think that, much like ticket scalping at sporting events, that this should be made illegal with Microsoft asking governments to crack down on it.
I even read that Sony is losing money because of it due to there being less gamers utilising the PS5 than what has sold and virtual sales not being at levels projected by physical sales on consoles.

Ultimately it doesn’t affect me. One of the benefits of playing on PC. Scalping is bad and those that buy them at the increased price are just as bad as the scalpers themselves. Don’t make yourself a victim. Will it affect the game? No not at all, really. It is also releasing on the Xbox One. A console that is really easy to get a hold of.

I really can’t say whether this kinda thing will effect Infinite. I will say that I don’t like the idea of a private company appealing to a government to enforce that company’s will on private citizens. It gets into some really strange Big Brother territory that I’d rather we not go in to.

I can empathize with your frustration. And alternatively I’d recommend keeping the government (no matter which nation they represent) out of the issue. Instead I’d recommend these companies handle it themselves by limiting purchases to one per customer (or having customers justify why they are purchasing more than one). It’s been working fairly well for essential items during a pandemic. Don’t see why that wouldn’t work for this.

And I think you have a good point that these companies have a vested interest in making sure scalpers don’t buy up a bunch of consoles that don’t get used. It hurts those companies down the line when their console sales don’t reflect their online user base. So they have an incentive to make sure consoles end up in the right hands.

I think the scalper situation right now certainly looks and feels very big right now though we’ve also got to consider that these consoles have only been out for two months. Not to disregard that scaling is 100% a issue because it is.

I think right now companies haven’t really had to face mass resell bots for consoles before. To be honest this kind of issue has been happening in the Sneaker market for a long long time. Companies are proactively looking at ways to get around scalpers and get products out to genuine customers though that does take time.

To tie this in with Infinite, we’re lucky that 343i are releasing Halo Infinite for all Xbox supported devices. That’s PC, Xbox Ones, One X’s, Series Consoles & Mobile devices through XCloud (I feel like a lot of people forget you don’t even need a Xbox or PC to play on Gamepass).
There are still plenty of ways to play Halo Infinite without a next gen console, I’m sure it’ll have an impact for players who can’t get a optimal experience of the game day one as will always be the case.

I think it’s a good point your making but I think with it still being early January it’s hard to tell what supply for Next Gen Consoles will look like in the coming months.

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> I really can’t say whether this kinda thing will effect Infinite. I will say that I don’t like the idea of a private company appealing to a government to enforce that company’s will on private citizens. It gets into some really strange Big Brother territory that I’d rather we not go in to.
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> I can empathize with your frustration. And alternatively I’d recommend keeping the government (no matter which nation they represent) out of the issue. Instead I’d recommend these companies handle it themselves by limiting purchases to one per customer (or having customers justify why they are purchasing more than one). It’s been working fairly well for essential items during a pandemic. Don’t see why that wouldn’t work for this.
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> And I think you have a good point that these companies have a vested interest in making sure scalpers don’t buy up a bunch of consoles that don’t get used. It hurts those companies down the line when their console sales don’t reflect their online user base. So they have an incentive to make sure consoles end up in the right hands.

I don’t entirely agree about governments not getting involved.
But I should rephrase how I said that…
Governments (at least in Aus, and I assume in other western countries) have already made ticket scalping illegal, I don’t see it as much of a stretch to attempt to apply that to multiple other industries. Consoles and shoes being prime examples.
It would be interesting to see how the licensing/resale rights work for the retail companies that sell consoles. And to hear a CEO’s opinion on scalping of goods that they sell at great legal effort in attaining the rights that they do.
Again, I’m assuming a few things there, but within reason, I think.
I had read a Reddit post about a scalper who, apparently in response to the single console per purchase limit, had simply registered a dozen+ emails and used an algorithm to make the purchases simultaneously.

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> I think the scalper situation right now certainly looks and feels very big right now though we’ve also got to consider that these consoles have only been out for two months. Not to disregard that scaling is 100% a issue because it is.
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> I think right now companies haven’t really had to face mass resell bots for consoles before. To be honest this kind of issue has been happening in the Sneaker market for a long long time. Companies are proactively looking at ways to get around scalpers and get products out to genuine customers though that does take time.
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> To tie this in with Infinite, we’re lucky that 343i are releasing Halo Infinite for all Xbox supported devices. That’s PC, Xbox Ones, One X’s, Series Consoles & Mobile devices through XCloud (I feel like a lot of people forget you don’t even need a Xbox or PC to play on Gamepass).
> There are still plenty of ways to play Halo Infinite without a next gen console, I’m sure it’ll have an impact for players who can’t get a optimal experience of the game day one as will always be the case.
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> I think it’s a good point your making but I think with it still being early January it’s hard to tell what supply for Next Gen Consoles will look like in the coming months.

The shoe market is a good point, and I think the scalping issue should really be extended well beyond sporting events to any industry effected on a large scale by it, especially where the usage and applications of bots/algorithms swing the purchasing system in the favour of the scalpers.
I’m not supposing any specific solution, but surely there are multiple ways for it to be explored.

And you’re right, of course, about it releasing on multiple platforms.
I’m not a fan of upgrading a console often, it always feels wasteful, so I’m still playing on an earlier Xbox One model, and the Series X being out, and so much of H:I’s marketing structure being around that, I would much prefer to upgrade to the Series X to purchase H:I at all to enjoy it at its best (short from PC - that’s only for strategy games IMO :stuck_out_tongue: ) and as such, I think how many fans might have a similar perspective that they might rather wait to play it on a new Series X than on an older model.

Further, though, you are correct on the end there.
Hardly one month into 21 and there are just as good odds that supply chain issues are entirely erased by March or April.
But now I’m fixated on the issue of scalpers! Haha, just the notion frustrates me!
I can’t believe someone would pay over $1,000 AUD (about $700USD) for a Series X… WILD! But I suppose impatience, frustration, and a not practically balanced desire make folks not balance their fiscal choices well.

Scalpers are the worst. They’re the reason I don’t have a Series X now. There should be plenty of Series Xs at Infinite’s launch. Well I hope so at least

I don’t think so. The only reason scalpers are bad right now is because there’s very limited supply. Microsoft said that around April it should become easier to obtain so I would imagine you wouldn’t have much problem finding them in the fall. The game is also on PC and XB1.

A person in my area got shot over an Xbox Series X. People are going legit crazy over these newer systems.

I think it’s despicable personally. I know why Microsoft or Sony hasn’t put a limit on how many consoles can be purchased ($)…to be honest I’m surprised that with all the outcry this holiday season something wasn’t done to stop the scalpers/bots.

I personally am putting all my eggs into one basket and hoping for a Halo Series X exclusive console.

Personally I don’t think it will ultimately affect Halo Infinite, solely because we have just under a year before the game is launched. That is plenty of time for consoles to be purchased so scalpers do not have the leverage (supply vs. demand) to charge exorbitant prices for them. If people don’t purchase from scalpers, then the scalpers have less incentive to buy up consoles and charge x2 much for a console, same thing if more and more consoles enter the market.

Not to mention we don’t know how this year will shape up. Depending on the progress of vaccines/responses to COVID around the world we could see production pick up.

TLDR; There are many factors to between now and Infinite’s launch window that could increase the amount of XSX’s available, so I don’t think it will be affected.

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> I think it’s despicable personally. I know why Microsoft or Sony hasn’t put a limit on how many consoles can be purchased ($)…to be honest I’m surprised that with all the outcry this holiday season something wasn’t done to stop the scalpers/bots.
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> I personally am putting all my eggs into one basket and hoping for a Halo Series X exclusive console.

I agree it’s despicable and it’s only gotten worse thanks to bots. That said, MS and Sony don’t want their consoles scalped, and as said previously it hurts their bottom line when there are less software sales and userbases for the next gen consoles. The problem is MS and Sony sell to retailers and retailers, who try to put limits on how many each customer can buy down to one, but because they’re bots, they can be a million different customers at once.

The only real way to cut down on scalpers is to sell consoles in person and only sell them directly to xbox live/psn users with the most play time, as they are less likely to flip the console. This won’t happen for a number of reasons because retailers and gamers would get pissed, on top of logistics or coordinating such a task.

Unfortunately there’s not a ton MS or Sony can do about it aside from flood the market with so many consoles that scalping becomes a fruitless endeavor. I will say though that if scalpers are still an issue during this summer, it means the number of consoles being produced is very low, meaning MS has a way, way bigger problem on their hands than just scalping. That said, just like the Nintendo Switch this Holiday Season, don’t expect to just roll up and pick up a new console during the holidays. Demand is always going to throttle supply during the holiday season so if you want to make sure you get one, buy it this summer. Don’t wait to fight with everyone just to save $80 in bundled games you may not even want.

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> A person in my area got shot over an Xbox Series X. People are going legit crazy over these newer systems.

That’s outrageous

The scalping certainly is hurting dissemination of Series S|X consoles, but since Infinite is planned to also be on the Xbox One family of consoles as well as PC, ultimately I don’t think this will effect who is able to play. Hopefully production of Series S|X consoles will ramp up between now and Fall 2021, and more people who want to upgrade will be able to, but I think even if scalpers end up hoarding most of the new consoles even up through Fall 2021, people will still be able to play Infinite.