Could someone help me understand this?
Alright, so was Ur-Didact the one on Requiem while Bornstellar-Didact activated the Array, or am I way off base?
No one knows. I’ve seen good theories for both but I’m sure Silentium will shed light on that part.
That’s the way it appears to be. The Terminals show the Librarian place the Didact in the Cryptum before the Rings fire. She even says they plan to fire them in the coming days. Considering the Halo 3 Terminals say that it is the Didact who activated the Rings, it must be the Bornstellar-Didact since this guy was locked up the whole time.
Edit: It’s also of note that the Librarian was doing her preservation at the time the Didact was creating Knights. Since the description of Silentium mentions that the Bornstellar-Didact was accompanying the Librarian while she did her work, this guy cannot be him.
> That’s the way it appears to be. The Terminals show the Librarian place the Didact in the Cryptum before the Rings fire. She even says they plan to fire them in the coming days. Considering the Halo 3 Terminals say that it is the Didact who activated the Rings, it must be the Bornstellar-Didact since this guy was locked up the whole time.
That’s what I thought, too. I got a little confused about this since it never specifically describes which Didact is which. It would make sense that Ur-Didact is the one encountered in Halo 4 while Bornstellar-Didact is the one who activated the Array.
Halo 4 is the Bornstellar-Didact. During the terminals, in the first 3 or 4, we see a grey skinned and lighter haired didact, as these terminals are set before the events of Cryptum, then after Charum Hakor, we see a pinked skinned, dark haired didact complaining that he can’t be composed because of his ‘new form’ (his brevit mutation could have caused this). It makes a lot more sense that the didact that was around during that time (the bornstellar one) is the one that composed the humans and prometheans, then after being locked away, the Ur-Didact returned from whatever flood ridden world he’s on in silentium, sees what has happened to his prometheans, and fires the Halo’s.
EDIT: Not to mention the Halo 4’s didact seems very immature, with his whole NOOO FORERUNNERS ARE THE PROTECTORS OF THE GALAXY NOT HUMANS WAAWAAAWAAAA
> Halo 4 is the Bornstellar-Didact. During the terminals, in the first 3 or 4, we see a grey skinned and lighter haired didact, as these terminals are set before the events of Cryptum, then after Charum Hakor, we see a pinked skinned, dark haired didact complaining that he can’t be composed because of his ‘new form’ (his brevit mutation could have caused this). It makes a lot more sense that the didact that was around during that time (the bornstellar one) is the one that composed the humans and prometheans, then after being locked away, the Ur-Didact returned from whatever flood ridden world he’s on in silentium, sees what has happened to his prometheans, and fires the Halo’s.
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> EDIT: Not to mention the Halo 4’s didact seems very immature, with his whole NOOO FORERUNNERS ARE THE PROTECTORS OF THE GALAXY NOT HUMANS WAAWAAAWAAAA
Bornstellar-Didact makes no sense.
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We see a Didact that’s 10,000 years younger in the first several Terminals because it was at the start of the Human-Forerunner War.
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The Didact had just completed a mutation in that scene which is why he runs a computer simulation. He was attempting to make himself immune to the Flood.
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Why would it makes more sense for the Bornstellar-Didact to be the one who wanted to continue punishing Humans? The Bornstellar-Didact at the end of Primordium acknowledges that Chakas and Riser are his good friends. Although he is now the Didact he still has his experiences and knowledge as Bornstellar and lacks the negative feelings towards the Humans.
When the Ur-Didact met Chakas and Riser in Cryptum he makes it clear that Riser was a creature worthy to be a Forerunner pet, (he calls the Humans the Librarian’s pets in one of the Terminals) and Chakas was too much like the Humans he fought 10,000 years earlier and assumed he was around because the Librarian wanted to push his buttons.
- The Ur-Didact apposed the activation of the Rings. The Bornstellar-Didact saved a Ring because it was needed. Clearly he doesn’t appose them or else he wouldn’t take the time to save it. The Bornstellar-Didact is said to be accompanying the Librarian as she does her work. So if he is traveling around the Galaxy and helping her carry out her plan then how can he simultaneously be carrying out his own plan at a different location? The two don’t even speak face to face when he crosses her. This cannot be if he is supposed to be with her at the time.
99% sure it’s the original Didact, makes more sense. Still, Silentium can’t get here soon enough…
I beleive it was the Ur-Didact in Halo 4. Read somewhere that the original Didact had 6 fingers or 5 fingers, and Bornstellar had 5 or 6 fingers. I’m sorry, I forgot the order but the Didact in Halo 4 had 6 fingers.
> I beleive it was the Ur-Didact in Halo 4. Read somewhere that the original Didact had 6 fingers or 5 fingers, and Bornstellar had 5 or 6 fingers. I’m sorry, I forgot the order but the Didact in Halo 4 had 6 fingers.
I would really like to see where this line of thinking came from. It reminds me of the “evidence” of how Thel is the one present to see Noble Six die because he was left-handed and how Jun survived because people have “read somewhere” that it was in the books.
Does anyone have the direct concrete quoted source for this?
The Terminals do not state which Didact we see at various points, but they do begin with the Ur Didact, so it might be fair to assume that we see the Ur Didact throughout.
The story told in the Terminals is focused exclusively on Ur Didact. Events relating to the Bornstellar Didact in Cryptum and Primordium are absent from the Terminals Its notable that the Terminals skip those events in the timeline.
But the biggest indicator, perhaps, is the Didact’s attempts to make himself immune from the Flood. Ur Didact was abandoned on a Flood infested world, that fits perfectly with his obsession with gaining immunity. He blames humanity for bringing the Flood into Forerunner space, and I think you can imagine, given his fear, he would not be happy about humans withholding the cure. Remember, Ur-Didact did not have that conversation with the Primordial, in which P said there was no cure.
That fear, when combined with his obsession with the Mantle, makes for a very paranoid being.
> Halo 4 is the Bornstellar-Didact. During the terminals, in the first 3 or 4, we see a grey skinned and lighter haired didact, as these terminals are set before the events of Cryptum, then after Charum Hakor, we see a pinked skinned, dark haired didact complaining that he can’t be composed because of his ‘new form’ (his brevit mutation could have caused this). It makes a lot more sense that the didact that was around during that time (the bornstellar one) is the one that composed the humans and prometheans, then after being locked away, the Ur-Didact returned from whatever flood ridden world he’s on in silentium, sees what has happened to his prometheans, and fires the Halo’s.
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> EDIT: Not to mention the Halo 4’s didact seems very immature, with his whole NOOO FORERUNNERS ARE THE PROTECTORS OF THE GALAXY NOT HUMANS WAAWAAAWAAAA
So logic and reason played no part in your theory?
How did you come to those conclusions?
You completely disregard the fact that the majority of the terminals take place after the human-forerunner war and before Born stellar is even born…Born stellar as the Didact assisted the Librarian, where as the UR-Didact CREATED the promethean knights and composed parts of humanity.
the UR -Didact COMPLETELTY did not agree with the use of the Halos… his answer was the Knights and shield worlds… where as the Born stellar Didact agreed with the Librarian. The UR-Didact thought the halos were completely against the mantle.
> The Terminals do not state which Didact we see at various points, but they do begin with the Ur Didact, so it might be fair to assume that we see the Ur Didact throughout.
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> The story told in the Terminals is focused exclusively on Ur Didact. Events relating to the Bornstellar Didact in Cryptum and Primordium are absent from the Terminals Its notable that the Terminals skip those events in the timeline.
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> But the biggest indicator, perhaps, is the Didact’s attempts to make himself immune from the Flood. Ur Didact was abandoned on a Flood infested world, that fits perfectly with his obsession with gaining immunity. He blames humanity for bringing the Flood into Forerunner space, and I think you can imagine, given his fear, he would not be happy about humans withholding the cure. Remember, Ur-Didact did not have that conversation with the Primordial, in which P said there was no cure.
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> That fear, when combined with his obsession with the Mantle, makes for a very paranoid being.
THIS
Thank god… some one can use logic when coming to a conclusion and has seen/read the evidence.