In halo 2 the gravmind took over the moniter of instiliaton 05 peninant tangant and tried to take over Cortana in halo evoloutions and during that time we learnd that the gravemind had taken over other A.I too. So we know that A.Is can be absorbed by the flood. So that would mean that promethean knight A.Is might be able to be taken over by the flood as well.
Assumong that Tangant was composed just like Chakas was when he became guilty spark than composer A.Is are just as vunerable to the flood as any other A.I.
This would mean that the Didacts plan was doomed to fail.
Ive proberly miseed somthing here so if anybody can inform me that would be appreciated, but if not we might have found an eror in the cannon.
I’m not so sure Tangent was rampant. It’s been shown that the Monitors were multicolored, so the “red of rampancy” might’ve just been default coloring.
If not, even then, he spent several thousand years, if I recall, imprisoned by Gravemind. During that time, like Spark, he likely became rampant on his own, and was thus susceptible to the Gravemind.
Cortana, as a less-advanced human AI, would also have been easily susceptible.
More or less, Prometheans are different from Cortana and Tangent. The Gravemind drives AIs to rampancy before taking them over. The Prometheans have been guarding the Didact for thousands of years and aren’t rampant. That means that they can’t be driven to Rampancy so easily or at all. so the Gravemind either couldn’t or would have to spend a lot of time to control them
If im not mistaken, the Promethean Knights arent AIs in the traditional sense. They dont really seem to do a whole lot of thinking, and are closer to what sentinels are than monitors.
Plus, its likely that the data that they are created from is stored in an external source, not in the knight itself, so there wouldnt really be anything to corrupt/infect.
Everyone keeps talking about rampancy, and o be fair it is the prevalent theory, but I believe there is something else to be considered. AI’s are like people in the sense that they have sentience. They can be debated with and argued with, meaning that someone can change their opinions though words alone. All the Gravemind did with Mendicant Bias and Cortana was try to change their minds about defending their creators with words and debate. So the Didact’s plan would have succeeded as, for as far as we know, the Promethean Knights are not sentient like the two other mentioned AI’s. They are aware and can learn etc, but you can’t reason with them etc. They are machines in the sense that they do as they are told with no argument, but smart machines. They can’t be reasoned with and turned on their creators via debate and words.
> If im not mistaken, the Promethean Knights arent AIs in the traditional sense. They dont really seem to do a whole lot of thinking, and are closer to what sentinels are than monitors.
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> Plus, its likely that the data that they are created from is stored in an <mark>external source</mark>, not in the knight itself, so there wouldnt really be anything to corrupt/infect.
“The Soul of a Promethean”. When Halsey looks at this “The Artifact” she says “an AI matrix not disimilar to our own” or similar.
If Halsey can identify this almost instantly then I can’t see how it would be too advanced to get infected by Gravemind
> “The Soul of a Promethean”. When Halsey looks at this “The Artifact” she says “an AI matrix not disimilar to our own” or similar.
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> If Halsey can identify this almost instantly then I can’t see how it would be too advanced to get infected by Gravemind
Well yes, but we’re not talking about a Promethean Soul we’re talking about a Promethean Knight. The souls are not kept inside the shell of the Knight themselves, so the Gravemind would have had to have gotten into Requiem in order to get the souls to have a chance to corrupt them.
With that in mind though, I still dont think that Promethean Knights are AIs in the traditional sense, and the ways that we know the Gravemind forces rampancy upon AIs wouldnt work with a Promethean. Though this is obviously just speculation, since we really dont know anything more about them than what we see.
> In halo 2 the gravmind took over the moniter of instiliaton 05 peninant tangant and tried to take over Cortana in halo evoloutions and during that time we learnd that the gravemind had taken over other A.I too. So we know that A.Is can be absorbed by the flood. So that would mean that promethean knight A.Is might be able to be taken over by the flood as well.
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> <mark>Assumong that Tangant was composed just like Chakas was when he became guilty spark than composer A.Is are just as vunerable to the flood as any other A.I.</mark>
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> This would mean that the Didacts plan was doomed to fail.
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> Ive proberly miseed somthing here so if anybody can inform me that would be appreciated, but if not we might have found an eror in the cannon.
GS 343 went rampant from being isolated on Installation 04 for so long, not from the Flood.
Knights are humans if I understand correctly, so are you talking about crawlers turned into flood?
I would have a hard time seeing crawlers turned into flood, if flood are in any more halo games,that is.
> If im not mistaken, the Promethean Knights arent AIs in the traditional sense. They dont really seem to do a whole lot of thinking, and are closer to what sentinels are than monitors.
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> Plus, its likely that the data that they are created from is stored in an external source, not in the knight itself, so there wouldnt really be anything to corrupt/infect.
This. Knights and Crawlers are more like sentinels and our “dumb” AI. They only have one purpose, to fight, the don’t know anything else. Mendicant Bias, Penitent Tangent, and Cortana are “smart” AI they were convinced to join the Flood, Cortana only slightly, Promethean knights and crawlers won’t be convinced of it.
While its indeed possible, I don’t think the Prometheans are “smart” enough to fully go under a rampant command of the Gravemind.
For him to take them over, I’d guess he’d have to completely enter and corrupt their sources, the souls. The main databse.
The Prometheans are restricted, a lot. They have no real feelings or though besides kill any enemy and use strategies to do so. They’re limited in the thought process, so rampancy isn’t really an issue.
And if corruption is detected, those units probably have failsafes to terminate themselves. A corrupted army wouldn’t last long unless he disabled the failsafe.
The Flood can’t assimilate Prometheans because when Promethean’s take too much damage, they disintegrate, and then purge their data (the floating ball of light).
> Ok… How has no one mentioned this?
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> The Flood can’t assimilate Prometheans because when Promethean’s take too much damage, they disintegrate, and then purge their data (the floating ball of light).
Because its not about damage. Penitant Tangeant wasnt damaged but served the gravemind, as did Mendicant Bias.
But I agee with the posters who say the prometheans just don’t have enough non-combat oriented logic to be convinced to go against their creators. They are likely not much beter than dumb AI’s.
Of course, this begs the question why you need a living being to make a promethean.
The composer does not provide immunity to rampancy nor ‘turncoating’, as seen by 343 GS or Penitent Tangeant (presuming PT is also a composed being). Any fail safes the prometheans have would logically be given to the guys they charge with the maintenance of their most important anti-flood weapon.
I think people are missing the point. The Didact never said anything about a Gravemind’s ability to control an AI. The reason he used the composer was to remover the organic aspect of things that the Flood need to survive. His warriors would be free of assimilation and the Flood wouldn’t be able to feed on their remains on the battlefield.
The Promethean Knights would not have been susceptible being “converted” to the Flood in the same way Mendicant Bias. They’re “dumb” AIs. No, not even that, they’re just programmed to react to threats and take them down (such as Flood ships). The Didact probably could have made them “Smart” AIs, but he may have been afraid of them turning to the Flood through coercion like Mendicant Bias did and Cortana almost did.
All this discussion lead me to ask an interesting question: If the Modern Prometheans are the equivalent of ‘Dumb’ AI, why would the Didact need the Composer to take highly lethal organic Prometheans and turn them into less effective over-all robots? Why not just create machines from the ground up and keep the originals just in case?
Unless the modern Prometheans are just as lethal overall as their original counterparts. It wouldn’t be the first time a fandom over-hyped a particular group only to try and rationalize why they were found lacking in their reveal.
> > Ok… How has no one mentioned this?
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> > The Flood can’t assimilate Prometheans because when Promethean’s take too much damage, they disintegrate, and then purge their data (the floating ball of light).
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> Because its not about damage. <mark>Penitant Tangeant wasnt damaged but served the gravemind</mark>, as did Mendicant Bias.
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> But I agee with the posters who say the prometheans just don’t have enough non-combat oriented logic to be convinced to go against their creators. They are likely not much beter than dumb AI’s.
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> Of course, this begs the question why you need a living being to make a promethean.
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> The composer does not provide immunity to rampancy nor ‘turncoating’, as seen by 343 GS or Penitent Tangeant (presuming PT is also a composed being). Any fail safes the prometheans have would logically be given to the guys they charge with the maintenance of their most important anti-flood weapon.
Penitent Tangent turned on the Forerunners? If I remember right, the cutscene at the end of Regret where the Gravemind first appears had Penitent Tangent responding to the Chief like “FINALLY, a Reclaimer! We have much to do if we’re to contain this outbreak!” The only thing I think the Gravemind was able to do to Tangent was gain control of his access to Installation 05’s translocation grid to teleport Chief to High Charity and the Arbiter to the forest near the control room, although Gravemind could have just learned to hack into it on his own as Cortana was able to do that on Installation 04.
> > “The Soul of a Promethean”. When Halsey looks at this “The Artifact” she says “an AI matrix not disimilar to our own” or similar.
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> > If Halsey can identify this almost instantly then I can’t see how it would be too advanced to get infected by Gravemind
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> Well yes, but we’re not talking about a Promethean Soul we’re talking about a Promethean Knight. The souls are not kept inside the shell of the Knight themselves, so the Gravemind would have had to have gotten into Requiem in order to get the souls to have a chance to corrupt them.
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> With that in mind though, I still dont think that Promethean Knights are AIs in the traditional sense, and the ways that we know the Gravemind forces rampancy upon AIs wouldnt work with a Promethean. Though this is obviously just speculation, since we really dont know anything more about them than what we see.
I say this ^
And even if the Gravemind could corrupt Knights, he still wouldn’t be able to corrupt Crawlers or Watchers, or any Sentinel variant for that matter.