people need to stop complaining about the complaints on this forum halo 4 has problems that need solving and that is a fact with complex having glitches and awkward spawns for example they need to be fixed along with all other complaints, the game has only just come out so there are bound to be complainers, just ignore them if you’re not interested, everyone is a halo fan here and we all want the best for the game otherwise we wouldn’t be complaining.
This was good enough for a thread…why?
You’re not helping anything with this thread…at all
Just throwing that out there.
There’s a difference between complaints and constructive criticism. It doesn’t matter what the person is concerned about, it’s how they get their message across.
Is this a thread complaining about the complainers, that complain about the complainers who complain about halo 4?
Just trying to keep track of it all.
> Is this a thread complaining about the complainers, that complain about the complainers who complain about halo 4?
>
> Just trying to keep track of it all.
Was that supposed to be a tongue twister?
Because it worked.
> This was good enough for a thread…why?
>
> You’re not helping anything with this thread…at all
>
> Just throwing that out there.
well if it doesn’t help people understand then so be it, can’t blame me for trying. thing is this forum is bound to have complainers, and the last thing you want to do is to keep those complain threads alive if you disagree, it’s best to ignore them and let the thread die than to argue.
Oh really? Remember when Reach had about 1000% more complaints than Halo 4 so far, and remember how quickly those got addressed?
We, and they, are simply waiting for the complainers to be weeded out so intelligent discussion can resume.
> Oh really? Remember when Reach had about 1000% more complaints than Halo 4 so far, and remember how quickly those got addressed?
>
> We, and they, are simply waiting for the complainers to be weeded out so intelligent discussion can resume.
Aw yes but remember how Halo Reach came out with no competition ie Black Ops 2 within a week of release? Yeah see ALL the complainers aren’t here cause they simply just gave up on the game rather than come here and complain.
Also Reach was terrible till its dying day and its population showed, wasn’t in top 5 most played on Live for over a year till H4 got closer, so no those problems were not addressed.
> > Oh really? Remember when Reach had about 1000% more complaints than Halo 4 so far, and remember how quickly those got addressed?
> >
> > We, and they, are simply waiting for the complainers to be weeded out so intelligent discussion can resume.
>
> Aw yes but remember how Halo Reach came out with no competition ie Black Ops 2 within a week of release? Yeah see ALL the complainers aren’t here cause they simply just gave up on the game rather than come here and complain.
>
> Also Reach was terrible till its dying day and its population showed, wasn’t in top 5 most played on Live for over a year till H4 got closer, so no those problems were not addressed.
The problem is that these so called ‘problems’ and ‘complaints’ are nothing but opinions. If you don’t like it, you have other choices.
Complaints do very well help out the developers if they are for new game types or fixes to bugs / glitches. But a lot of these complaints are just a matter of opinion.
> > > Oh really? Remember when Reach had about 1000% more complaints than Halo 4 so far, and remember how quickly those got addressed?
> > >
> > > We, and they, are simply waiting for the complainers to be weeded out so intelligent discussion can resume.
> >
> > Aw yes but remember how Halo Reach came out with no competition ie Black Ops 2 within a week of release? Yeah see ALL the complainers aren’t here cause they simply just gave up on the game rather than come here and complain.
> >
> > Also Reach was terrible till its dying day and its population showed, wasn’t in top 5 most played on Live for over a year till H4 got closer, so no those problems were not addressed.
>
> The problem is that these so called ‘problems’ and ‘complaints’ are nothing but opinions. If you don’t like it, you have other choices.
The lag is not a opinion, my biggest complaint
Constructive criticism is good for a game.
Mindless complaints are not.
Telling someone why you think a gun is overpowered and trying to come up with a solution helps the game.
Telling someone “X weapon is OP, NERF NOW” does not help the game.
> > > > Oh really? Remember when Reach had about 1000% more complaints than Halo 4 so far, and remember how quickly those got addressed?
> > > >
> > > > We, and they, are simply waiting for the complainers to be weeded out so intelligent discussion can resume.
> > >
> > > Aw yes but remember how Halo Reach came out with no competition ie Black Ops 2 within a week of release? Yeah see ALL the complainers aren’t here cause they simply just gave up on the game rather than come here and complain.
> > >
> > > Also Reach was terrible till its dying day and its population showed, wasn’t in top 5 most played on Live for over a year till H4 got closer, so no those problems were not addressed.
> >
> > The problem is that these so called ‘problems’ and ‘complaints’ are nothing but opinions. If you don’t like it, you have other choices.
>
> <mark>The lag is not a opinion, my biggest complaint</mark>
That complaint is misdirected; it should be at yourself or your ISP. Lag is not a game issue - I have not had one single laggy match so far, in War Games or Spartan Ops or Campaign Co-Op.
Invest in a higher upload speed if yours is too low. Often times people have great download speeds but their low upload speed causes online gaming to suffer.
> > > > > Oh really? Remember when Reach had about 1000% more complaints than Halo 4 so far, and remember how quickly those got addressed?
> > > > >
> > > > > We, and they, are simply waiting for the complainers to be weeded out so intelligent discussion can resume.
> > > >
> > > > Aw yes but remember how Halo Reach came out with no competition ie Black Ops 2 within a week of release? Yeah see ALL the complainers aren’t here cause they simply just gave up on the game rather than come here and complain.
> > > >
> > > > Also Reach was terrible till its dying day and its population showed, wasn’t in top 5 most played on Live for over a year till H4 got closer, so no those problems were not addressed.
> > >
> > > The problem is that these so called ‘problems’ and ‘complaints’ are nothing but opinions. If you don’t like it, you have other choices.
> >
> > <mark>The lag is not a opinion, my biggest complaint</mark>
>
> That complaint is misdirected; it should be at yourself or your ISP. Lag is not a game issue - I have not had one single laggy match so far, in War Games or Spartan Ops or Campaign Co-Op.
>
> Invest in a higher upload speed if yours is too low. Often times people have great download speeds but their low upload speed causes online gaming to suffer.
Ok me and the hundreds of others that have posted here alone are the problem, my 30down and 5up isn’t good enough to play this game I guess? Think before you post, its the intentional latency built into the netcode that is making me lag, being seconds behind the lower connections in the game to make it “fair” to them, they do this to make the game more playable for bad connections therefor hurting the better connections ie same thing MW3 netcode does.
343 has acknowledge this much alone so please maybe you should learn your facts before you post, it has nothing to do with my connection.
Perhaps the reason you have never had lag is because you are one of the bad connections they are trying to make it fair for, think about it?
> > > > > > Oh really? Remember when Reach had about 1000% more complaints than Halo 4 so far, and remember how quickly those got addressed?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We, and they, are simply waiting for the complainers to be weeded out so intelligent discussion can resume.
> > > > >
> > > > > Aw yes but remember how Halo Reach came out with no competition ie Black Ops 2 within a week of release? Yeah see ALL the complainers aren’t here cause they simply just gave up on the game rather than come here and complain.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also Reach was terrible till its dying day and its population showed, wasn’t in top 5 most played on Live for over a year till H4 got closer, so no those problems were not addressed.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is that these so called ‘problems’ and ‘complaints’ are nothing but opinions. If you don’t like it, you have other choices.
> > >
> > > <mark>The lag is not a opinion, my biggest complaint</mark>
> >
> > That complaint is misdirected; it should be at yourself or your ISP. Lag is not a game issue - I have not had one single laggy match so far, in War Games or Spartan Ops or Campaign Co-Op.
> >
> > Invest in a higher upload speed if yours is too low. Often times people have great download speeds but their low upload speed causes online gaming to suffer.
>
> Ok me and the hundreds of others that have posted here alone are the problem, my 30down and 5up isn’t good enough to play this game I guess? Think before you post, its the intentional latency built into the netcode that is making me lag, being seconds behind the lower connections in the game to make it “fair” to them, they do this to make the game more playable for bad connections therefor hurting the better connections ie same thing MW3 netcode does.
>
> 343 has acknowledge this much alone so please maybe you should learn your facts before you post, it has nothing to do with my connection.
>
> Perhaps the reason you have never had lag is because you are one of the bad connections they are trying to make it fair for, think about it?
If in Spartan Ops or Campaign, forcing a large geographically different party to play together will cause lag. War Games has been fine for me so far like I said. 150Down/150Up.
Your logic(to those who complain about complainers):
->Many features from previous Halo games missing, e.g. custom game options, game types, theater mode abilities etc
->Complaining about the lack of these features is an opinion (and somehow that makes it invalid)
/Yourlogicendshere
The complainers are helping the game. It doesn’t hurt 343i to see feedback talking about negative portions of the game.
It hurts 343i when you actively try to prevent such rudimentary changes from taking place.
The forum is for feedback, to improve the game.
Let the complainers complain, it is for our own good.
> Constructive criticism is good for a game.
> Mindless complaints are not.
>
> Telling someone why you think a gun is overpowered and trying to come up with a solution helps the game.
> Telling someone “X weapon is OP, NERF NOW” does not help the game.
True, but it’s still only a matter of an individual’s opinion and unless they create an in game poll about these individual issues where they will receive a high volume of replys as to whether it’s a good or bad idea, I don’t think they will just go off what a few people complain about cause most probably don’t even come on here and making changes like nerfing AR could upset a much wider auidience.
I would like them to create a list of all the opinions people have and put a poll on some of them just to find out what the majority think about it.
> > > > > > Oh really? Remember when Reach had about 1000% more complaints than Halo 4 so far, and remember how quickly those got addressed?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We, and they, are simply waiting for the complainers to be weeded out so intelligent discussion can resume.
> > > > >
> > > > > Aw yes but remember how Halo Reach came out with no competition ie Black Ops 2 within a week of release? Yeah see ALL the complainers aren’t here cause they simply just gave up on the game rather than come here and complain.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also Reach was terrible till its dying day and its population showed, wasn’t in top 5 most played on Live for over a year till H4 got closer, so no those problems were not addressed.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is that these so called ‘problems’ and ‘complaints’ are nothing but opinions. If you don’t like it, you have other choices.
> > >
> > > <mark>The lag is not a opinion, my biggest complaint</mark>
> >
> > That complaint is misdirected; it should be at yourself or your ISP. Lag is not a game issue - I have not had one single laggy match so far, in War Games or Spartan Ops or Campaign Co-Op.
> >
> > Invest in a higher upload speed if yours is too low. Often times people have great download speeds but their low upload speed causes online gaming to suffer.
>
> Ok me and the hundreds of others that have posted here alone are the problem, my 30down and 5up isn’t good enough to play this game I guess? Think before you post, its the intentional latency built into the netcode that is making me lag, being seconds behind the lower connections in the game to make it “fair” to them, they do this to make the game more playable for bad connections therefor hurting the better connections ie same thing MW3 netcode does.
>
> 343 has acknowledge this much alone so please maybe you should learn your facts before you post, it has nothing to do with my connection.
>
> Perhaps the reason you have never had lag is because you are one of the bad connections they are trying to make it fair for, think about it?
Is it really at that speed?
Is you modem malfunctioning?
Is there interferance in the location of router/modem/Xbox
If using cable or dsl you can get bottlenecks these vary as routers (not yours)have more or less people connecting to them to get to the server
My modem says I’m getting 1k MB upload. In reality it’s 1. With 12 download.
There’s more going on with the Internet based on we’re you are where your connections are going and how busy those connections are. Also packet loss can have a big effect on your connectoion speed.
Think before you spout the mouth words.
> True, but it’s still only a matter of an individual’s opinion and unless they create an in game poll about these individual issues where they will receive a high volume of replys as to whether it’s a good or bad idea, I don’t think they will just go off what a few people complain about cause most probably don’t even come on here and making changes like nerfing AR could upset a much wider auidience.
>
> I would like them to create a list of all the opinions people have and put a poll on some of them just to find out what the majority think about it.
It is all opinion, that’s true and I know I wouldn’t want 343i to make any changes that they felt weren’t justified.
My point was more about the mindless complaints not helping, whereas the constructive criticism could give them ideas.
> > > > > > > Oh really? Remember when Reach had about 1000% more complaints than Halo 4 so far, and remember how quickly those got addressed?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We, and they, are simply waiting for the complainers to be weeded out so intelligent discussion can resume.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Aw yes but remember how Halo Reach came out with no competition ie Black Ops 2 within a week of release? Yeah see ALL the complainers aren’t here cause they simply just gave up on the game rather than come here and complain.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also Reach was terrible till its dying day and its population showed, wasn’t in top 5 most played on Live for over a year till H4 got closer, so no those problems were not addressed.
> > > > >
> > > > > The problem is that these so called ‘problems’ and ‘complaints’ are nothing but opinions. If you don’t like it, you have other choices.
> > > >
> > > > <mark>The lag is not a opinion, my biggest complaint</mark>
> > >
> > > That complaint is misdirected; it should be at yourself or your ISP. Lag is not a game issue - I have not had one single laggy match so far, in War Games or Spartan Ops or Campaign Co-Op.
> > >
> > > Invest in a higher upload speed if yours is too low. Often times people have great download speeds but their low upload speed causes online gaming to suffer.
> >
> > Ok me and the hundreds of others that have posted here alone are the problem, my 30down and 5up isn’t good enough to play this game I guess? Think before you post, its the intentional latency built into the netcode that is making me lag, being seconds behind the lower connections in the game to make it “fair” to them, they do this to make the game more playable for bad connections therefor hurting the better connections ie same thing MW3 netcode does.
> >
> > 343 has acknowledge this much alone so please maybe you should learn your facts before you post, it has nothing to do with my connection.
> >
> > Perhaps the reason you have never had lag is because you are one of the bad connections they are trying to make it fair for, think about it?
>
> Is it really at that speed?
> Is you modem malfunctioning?
> Is there interferance in the location of router/modem/Xbox
> If using cable or dsl you can get bottlenecks these vary as routers (not yours)have more or less people connecting to them to get to the server
> My modem says I’m getting 1k MB upload. In reality it’s 1. With 12 download.
>
> There’s more going on with the Internet based on we’re you are where your connections are going and how busy those connections are. Also packet loss can have a big effect on your connectoion speed.
>
>
> Think before you spout the mouth words.
alright smarty here is my results
35down 4up, my xbox is connected directly to the router, with ports forward, nat is always open, and on top of that I don’t lag in any other games except Halo 4 & MW3 both games with terrible netcodes. Again 343i has confirmed they are having network issues, people have come on these very boards and explained this many times but I guess its just me right? I mean come on its bad when people are complaining about lagging in Campaign & spartan ops which is what 4 connections, not 8 or 12 or 16 but 8. The netcode is built so bad that it intentionally gives you bad lag latency which has been acknowledge and to this point nothing has been done about it. Do your research, all online games have latency except those with servers in which case the server itself handles it between the players and decide what is real for all players rather than just the one hosts like Halo 4 & most console multiplayer games.
I love people like you who simple say your connection sucks, especially when there are hundreds of posts on this very forum complaining about the same thing, and as you can see my connection is perfectly fine and fully capable of playing online.
The difference between Halo & CoD is CoD usually only takes a second or so to kill someone so having a little latency isn’t hurting you much where as in Halo not having a couple shots hit when you think they do completely destroys the game or another example when you constantly see yourself killed by 2-3 shots thats because your not seeing the 3-5 other shots that hit you.
I’m done with this tho, moving on till a Title Update comes to fix this problem which I hope it does I see lots of potential in Halo 4 but it will go no where without the netcode being fixed.