> The results from the HCFP surveys showed that nearly 11% of HCFP participants felt that Halo should not have sprint.
This is ridiculous and practically farcical. You dare quote a percentage that has obvious selection bias when you actively ignored the criticism from users who live outside of EU and US countries? I sent tweets to outline exactly why I wasn’t happy with 343industries’ ignorant attitude to their community over a week ago and they still have yet to be replied to. And now as a user who lives outside of EU/US, I have missed out on 2 important surveys that are geared towards shaping the future of Halo 5? Why even have a “community” feedback program when users from said community can’t partake due to inane restrictions? I - and many other users - complained about this ridiculousness weeks ago and we are still waiting for an answer.
I’m being actively ignored by 343industries and I’m being excluded from critiquing Halo 5’s direction - along with many others - simply for not living in America or Europe.
You literally just missed the point of this thread and that as a user who lives outside of America/Europe I cannot partake in the Community Feedback Program.
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> You literally have toggle on the sprint for customs.
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> You literally got improved strafing
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> You literally got less smart scope bonus
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> You literally have toggle on SA’s
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> Please tell me how all of these complaints that were made by the people that you believe were “excluded” were put in the game.
Not to mention, a huge chunk of Halogaf was part of it, they are some of the purist halo fans I know. This is a fair estimate. The vocal complaints are loud, but that doesnt make them any less of a minority, those who dont mind or dont care arent really on the threads to discuss, they’re out playing the games they love.
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> Okay? Do you think that opening it up to other countries would somehow change that statistic much? It really isn’t that big of a deal.
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> I believe that the US + EU make up a majority of Halo players. In addition, both can be seen as reliable sources of English speakers.
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> Where do you live, exactly?
Wasnt it more US + UK for the bulk of it? But once again, these two countries are the highest figures for all things xbox.
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> Okay? Do you think that opening it up to other countries would somehow change that statistic much? It really isn’t that big of a deal.
For you. It is, however, a big deal for those who are excluded due to the inane restrictions.
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> I believe that the US + EU make up a majority of Halo players. In addition, both can be seen as reliable sources of English speakers.
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> Where do you live, exactly?
Australia. There are also players who speak English in Britain and New Zealand.
Considering how the US is more populated than pretty much all other English speaking countries, I’m fairly certain 19000 voters from the US more than suffice. Once you get past the 1000s in numbers, statistics don’t really change much.
I can understand that you are upset base on the claim you weren’t included. But it’s another thing to say that the statistic is false. Not saying that it is necessarily true, but none of us have any grounds to make claims on its validity. Based on the quote the majority of those who took part in the survey felt sprint was a valid addition to Halo.
One thing is for certain, none of us can factually know how many people want or don’t want sprint in Halo. Sure there are a lot of people who vocally express their disapproval of it, but just because their voices are loud and in numbers doesn’t mean they are at all a large chunk of the Halo community. Same rule applies for people who are fine with sprint in Halo.
I can’t find it right now (unless it was somehow “conveniently” erased), but someone should link GH057ayame’s poll on sprint from a while back. The stats of that poll tells a different story about how people feel about sprint in Halo.
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> Considering how the US is more populated than pretty much all other English speaking countries, I’m fairly certain 19000 voters from the US more than suffice. Once you get past the 1000s in numbers, statistics don’t really change much.
So where are you getting these numbers from, or is it all just a bunch of speculative hypothetical assumption?
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> I can understand that you are upset base on the claim you weren’t included. But it’s another thing to say that the statistic is false. Not saying that it is necessarily true, but none of us have any grounds to make claims on its validity. Based on the quote the majority of those who took part in the survey felt sprint was a valid addition to Halo.
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> One thing is for certain, none of us can factually know how many people want or don’t want sprint in Halo. Sure there are a lot of people who vocally express their disapproval of it, but just because their voices are loud and in numbers doesn’t mean they are at all a large chunk of the Halo community. Same rule applies for people who are fine with sprint in Halo.
Oh I’m not saying that the statistic was falsified, just that it has a selection bias. The majority of those who took part in the survey - who lived in either America or Europe - felt sprint was a valid addition to Halo.
And you think restricting the feedback program to EU/US only users helps?
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> Man is angry that a company targeted it’s primary geographical demographic with a survey. More news at 11.
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> > I believe that the US + EU make up a majority of Halo players. In addition, both can be seen as reliable sources of English speakers.
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> > Where do you live, exactly?
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> Wasnt it more US + UK for the bulk of it? But once again, these two countries are the highest figures for all things xbox.
The logic still applies. The UK is a member of the EU.
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> Okay? Do you think that opening it up to other countries would somehow change that statistic much? It really isn’t that big of a deal.
It’s about the precept, dude. Not allowed to participate regarding your hobby just due to your current home location isn’t funny. I won’t say the result would be much different, however, I’m sure 343i’s plans for the franchise profited from the ‘conformable’ US-Fans anyway.
I would like to participate in the American presidential elections even though I don’t live in USA because the result affects me and they keep electing numptys.
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> I would like to participate in the American presidential elections even though I don’t live in USA because the result affects me and they keep electing numptys.
That has almost nothing to do with the topic at hand. We’re talking about the development process of a game - not how a country affects an individual.
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> Source: https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/community/blog-posts/how-fans-helped-shape-the-multiplayer-of-halo-5-guardians
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> > The results from the HCFP surveys showed that nearly 11% of HCFP participants felt that Halo should not have sprint.
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> This is ridiculous and practically farcical. You dare quote a percentage that has obvious selection bias when you actively ignored the criticism from users who live outside of EU and US countries? I sent tweets to outline exactly why I wasn’t happy with 343industries’ ignorant attitude to their community over a week ago and they still have yet to be replied to. And now as a user who lives outside of EU/US, I have missed out on 2 important surveys that are geared towards shaping the future of Halo 5? Why even have a “community” feedback program when users from said community can’t partake due to inane restrictions? I - and many other users - complained about this ridiculousness weeks ago and we are still waiting for an answer.
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> I’m being actively ignored by 343industries and I’m being excluded from critiquing Halo 5’s direction - along with many others - simply for not living in America or Europe.
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> This is unacceptable.
I don’t think you understand what selection bias is. Are you saying that 11% not in favor of sprint is too low of a figure and would be higher if more people outside the US and EU were polled? Because that’s not what selection bias is and frankly I’m not sure why you think people outside the US and EU favor sprint any less.
Selection bias would be if a large group of people who like sprint polled themselves. Then the results would be overwhelmingly in favor of sprint.
As far as you feeling ignored by 343, could be an attitude thing. You kind of come off as a hothead. No offence.
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> I don’t think you understand what selection bias is. Are you saying that 11% in favor of sprint is too low of a figure and would be higher if more people outside the US and EU were polled? Because that’s not what selection bias is and frankly I’m not sure why you think people outside the US and EU favor sprint more.
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> Selection bias would be if a large group of people who like sprint polled themselves. Then the results would be overwhelmingly in favor of sprint.
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> As far as you feeling ignored by 343, could be an attitude thing. You kind of come off as a hothead. No offence.
No, I don’t think you understand what selection bias is. It’s not about the percentages of who is for or against something in survey, but that the maximum selection of individuals are not achieved so that proper randomisation is achieved. That 11 percent does not fully represent the community’s views on the issue. It’s an incomplete statistic, hence selection bias.
I word my complaints strongly because they’re the ones that get the highest response frequency. It’s classic human psychology. I am far from hot headed. No offense taken.
