Community Civil War

I think it would be a good idea to finally get a good idea of how devided the community may feel regarding Halo 5: Guardians (particularly) in one big discussion.

What I’ll do in this thread is devide the two factions arguments, points, and concerns in to two seperate areas on this thread and display them for all to see.

Red team vs Blue team.

To to get started, Red team’s ideals differ from Blue’s. For example: Red Team believes the free DLC should’ve been released at launch l, including game modes, and is lazy development on 343’s part, while on the other hand Blue Team appreciates the updates and believes they are legitimate additions to the game.

(Remember we’re not talking about 1 issue here, we’re involving every concern and opinion possible, such as the topic of what went wrong with what and what is right etc)

NOTE: Some opinions may differ and either faction may have mixed opinions.

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Red Team
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Concern 1: Free DLC: 343 easily developed everything for Halo 4 at launch yet can barely add much to an update for Halo 5 that takes months to develop? Infection for example was made in Halo 4 at launch but takes months to develop for Halo 5 half a year after launch. The content improves the game but it’s barely enough.

Concern 2: Weaponry: Many of the old classic weapons and equipment (i.e. Bubble Shield) are missing from Halo 5 and would improve the game. In fact, rare legendary weapons, although great, are actually rip-off versions of some of classics, such as the Needler Cerbine vs the Needler Rifle. Why? It is also possible some of these upgraded weapons are overpowered, or in some cases are difficult to keep hold of in battle for very long.

Concern 3: Requisitions: The REQ system needs to go. Warzone is pay-to-win and micotransactions do not originate with Halo but corporate greed. The chances of even getting something cool out of it is low.

Concern 4: Story: The campaign was okay but it was a huge disappointment, especially if you compare it to the trailers which showed Locke vs Chief. What we got was lots of non-interactive dialogue instead. Most of the story actually didn’t make that much sense proceeding Halo 4. The Infinity did nothing the whole time while Guardians caused destruction elsewhere. The story seemed to evolve around Cortana’s return rather than Chief and it makes no sense, especially because she’s evil now.

Concern 5: Customisation: Halo Reach and even Halo 4 have superior customisation options than Halo 5 does. It was far more enjoyable to earn credits and buy each piece than to randomly obtain hundreds of armours “sets” that I don’t like (or a just too ugly) Still, it’s probably better than Halo 3’s armoury.

Concern 6: Playable Elites: No brainer. It’s obvious Halo 6 will need playable elites. It makes no sense to exclude them in Halo 5, especially after fighting alongside them again with the Arbiter.

Concern 7: Level Design: The maps are interesting but are too heavily dependent on using clamber. I’d prefer older, more memorable maps be implemented for Halo 5. Also, too many supposedly forged maps in matchmaking look like plastic.

Concern 8: Prometheans: There is not much explanation why the Prometheans are so involved in the campaign. Gameplay-wise the “soldiers” are too annoying and aren’t interesting. Knights stand around doing nothing. They should he smart like how they were in Halo 4.

Concern 9: Flood: According to the talking Grunt on Sanghellios, the Flood was not a scary enemy. One reason we love Halo is because of the Flood in the classic trilogy, and to see them forgotten as if they were popcorn chicken zombies is an insult.

Concern 10: Split Screen: Removing Splitscreen was a way to promote Xbox One sales by force. This is one of the main factors why Halo 5 has sold less copies than it’s predessesing titles. Replacing it for 60FPS was not necessary, even though 343 was very capable of developing Halo 5 with both, but chose not to.

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Blue Team
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Concern 1: Free DLC: Halo 5 is one of the only FPS games that give free updates. The content in each one improves the game and is satisfying. 343 is listening!

Concern 2: Weaponry: Including more classic weaponry in Halo 5 is unesesary. The REQ sandbox is already overload as it is. It would be a jungle out there if we added anything else. The legendary weapons are a fine addition to Halo.

Concern 3: Requisitions: The REQ system is extremely balanced. There only needs to be some improvements and hopefully a similar system is set up for Halo 6. If you pay for something (but didn’t get what you wanted) that’s you’re fault, not 343’s.

Concern 4: Story: Very good story. It was inspiring and the characters were well written. It’s a massive improvement when compared to games like Reach. I enjoyed playing through it.

Concern 5: Customisation: Perfectly fine. It could certainly be better but I’m satisfied for the time being. I look forward to obtaining the legendary armour sets.

Concern 6: Playable Elites: 343’s trilogy don’t need elites, and we have enough satisfying content without them. Spartans vs Spartans has definitely improved since Halo 4.

Concern 7: Level Design: The maps are great! Don’t see what all the fuss is about. They allow us to use our new Spartan abilities to unfold. We’re also really glad that we are able to include community made maps into the matchmaking.

Concern 8: Prometheans: Knights and Crawlers are improved from Halo 4. They were too annoying before but are now much easier and more interesting to fight. I like what 343 is doing and hope they add more cool enemies.

Concern 9: Flood: Bringing back the Flood would mean Everything Chief did before fighting on Requiem was pointless. There is definitely no need to see them return and would much rather let 343 continue finishing their story before even considering this option.

Concern 10: Splitscreen: Adding 60FPS shows 343 has the best intentions for Halo. Gameplay has never been more smoother, and we can expect Halo 6 to be even better! For now, we can justify why splitscreen was necessary to remove. Without 343 making that tough decision, Halo might not have ever moved forward. Plus, now that we have 60FPS, I wouldn’t want to let it go because it feels good. Splitscreen can wait.


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Either Faction
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Either Faction: Cliffhanger: Huge disappointed / Excellent Halo 6 Teaser

Either Faction: Graphics: Graphics look too cartoonish / Halo 5’s graphics are sort of cool and unique in its own way

Either Faction: Sprint: Needs to go / Needs to stay!

Either Faction: Audio: Halo 5’s audio is terrible / Music definitely goes back to its roots.

Good luck

A fight as dumb as theirs.

All who in the end are one family that have to team up against a third party. In this case… CoD.

I would identify as red team. I would like to add to your points that most of the dlcs are simply reskinned vehicles and remixes of existing maps.

I’d also like an entirely new point about the REQ system, that grinding and skill shouldn’t be repaid by a lottery spin that often results in lackluster and disappointing rewards. The system of unlocking new armor by rank and credits (like reach) is much more rewarding and always has that awesome affect of seeing an awesome set of armor in game and deciding to work towards it.

While on the topic of armor, what’s with stripping out my ability to do meaningful customization? I spent a good amount of time in the armory on reach and 3 and 4 and was very disappointed to see it gone. Its the extensive customization that makes your Spartan yours.

I feel a lot of this comes from the sudden abandonment of Halo’s native community for the eSports -Yoinks!-. I don’t recall seeing this much effort put towards eSports in halo ever. From the button right on waypoint here to the lack of effort in making most basic casual playlists they show they care about nothing but comp play (and casual warzone but that’s the only casual they care about since in makes them big moola.)

While I’m at it, still no playable mp sangheili.

That is all, thank you for reading.

Blue Team!
“Where’s the zoom on this thing?”

Why beat a dead horse? The dwindling population already spoke… by shelving or selling their H5

This seems like it would do more harm then good, but red is my favorite colour.

People can still believe the content should have been in the game at launch while also appreciating it, because they can be grateful and disappointed.

I’m mostly on Blue Team, because I’m not a whiny -Yoink-. I grew up during the depression. appreciate what you got ya whippersnappers.

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> I’m mostly on Blue Team, because I’m not a whiny -Yoink-. I grew up during the depression. appreciate what you got ya whippersnappers.

Haha, yep. Things could definitely be worse.

Blue team

Blue Team, except for campaign. That, I kinda am with red team on. And I also think that just a few more classic weapons would be great.
The way the RNG works now is much better than how it used to before MoR. Good job 343.

I’m Blue(even though my favorite color is red) the campaign could have been better, but I still like it.

I’m without a doubt on Red Team for everything except the weaponry, though I’m not on Blue Team for that either. I think the REQ weapons are fun, and welcome classic additions into the sandbox. As for DLC, I do enjoy the monthly updates, though I think a lot of the content they give us are either useless filler content or stuff that should have been in at launch.

But overall? Red Team. I still quite enjoy playing Halo 5 though.

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> Why beat a dead horse? The dwindling population already spoke… by shelving or selling their H5

Please back this assertion with numbers.

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> I’m mostly on Blue Team, because I’m not a whiny -Yoink-. I grew up during the depression. appreciate what you got ya whippersnappers.

Why settle when you can strive to inspire better things? Complacently breeds laziness.

Id identify mostly with blue team except the campaign and playable elites. I don’t like how the story almost takes away anything that happened in H4 and playable elites aren’t a deal breaker for me, but thatd be pretty cool to see still

Neither, I don’t see the things I have the most issues with. No regional servers, and the look of Halo 5.

Lets not split the community anymore then it already is … with that being said, I like team red better.

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> Neither, I don’t see the things I have the most issues with. No regional servers, and the look of Halo 5.

Graphics aren’t really a serious debate amongst the community I don’t think. Either faction is with or against Halo 5 on this