I’m just gonna disagree with this. Juggling a hundred different color palettes to find the absolute perfect shade of puke green among twenty different shades that are only slightly different is a bit obnoxious.
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I’m not 100% sure what situation you’re referring to, but they could have easily left it in and not altered it - say what you will about the $20 armor, people still bought those armor packs when 343 priced them that high. Warframe is run by the same organization that removed a microtransaction because some guy used it 200 times, and Digital Extremes realized it was basically a slot machine that was negatively affecting the game, despite it generating $134 from that one person alone.
You have absolutely no evidence to suggest that what Warframe does is not done from a player first mentality, especially after the Kubrow microtransaction situation where DE removed a successful microtransaction. Your statement is also hypocritical - Digital Extremes is not doing things from a player first mentality, yet 343 is when their microtransaction scheme is arguably far worse by pushing players to buy more Credits than they actually need to make purchases, for example?
And I’m saying that Warframe has a rock-solid system that more Free to Play games should implement - you bringing things up that are not even remotely related to the color swatch system in Warframe, and no longer exist by your own admission is not helping the conversation.
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I’m not saying what 343 is doing is right, I’m questioning why Warframe is the poster child of F2P done right when arguably they launched with a significantly more predatory system that monetised gameplay.
Have they taken steps in the right direction? Absolutely. Did they do it because they were syphoning players… Yeah. So expecting 343 to change a system if it’s winning is maybe a little overzealous.
I’m saying that Warframes colour scheme exists because they decided to monetise something else, gameplay. 343 chose monetise colours, over other things. So it’s not as easy to just change that entire directive without a replacement (especially once a precedent is established). It’s relevant in that regard.
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Because they changed what was wrong with those systems for the better and are now held up as the standard for what a Free to Play game should be. The issues that you complain about no longer exist in 2022, nor did they exist in 2021 when Halo Infinite first launched. There’s no discussion to be had when the problems you are concerned about don’t exist anymore.
Changing the system because it’s a bad system despite “winning” is what a true player first mentality is. I brought up the Kubrow example because the Kubrows in Warframe were generating significant profits, but Digital Extremes removed that function because it was negatively impacting player experience. We have yet to see similar strides from 343 regarding Challenges, Events, Challenge Swaps (literally no communication on this one), and the store itself.
Which has since been removed for gameplay purposes, and the other issue that you’re referring to is bypassing the grind for players that don’t want to get the Blueprints. You can get anything gameplay related in Warframe from just playing the game, it only takes longer than a one-time purchase.
And the entire community, since long before the game launched, told them that was a bad idea and they should not do that - they still monetize virtually all aspects of the game except for gameplay. Most armor is locked in the store, most colorations are locked in the store, stances, emblems, charms are all for the most part… In the store.
They can still monetize their colors, but allow players more freedom with Warframe’s system without negatively impacting the rest of the game. I should also stress that Warframe’s color swatches are not cheap - most are sold for 75 Platinum, which is equal to $4.99, but you can also trade Platinum between players and earn it through various means. They still have the other monetization systems in place, and would be unaffected if they made a net positive change to the coloration system.
You’re afraid of something that hasn’t happened, has long since been fixed in another scenario, and is so unlikely to happen with Halo Infinite that you are the first and only person I have ever seen raise this as a concern.
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Relevance ≠ Meaning
Yes it does, I just explained to you why it does not matter that 90% of the people look the same, they at least have choice, and with choice at any time the 90% can all do the same different thing or people can at any time differ themselves from the others.
Why are you bringing warframe into this point? Did someone here say they were gonna monetize warframe because of something you said?
Warframes premium currency is actually obtainable without paying a single penny.
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Then use the classic pallete.
This argument is beyond disingenuous.
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Because I wasn’t talking to you. The topic of the conversation is color customization and the OP is advocating for Warframe. We’re having a conversation that you keep butting into with “WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WARFRAME.” Because that’s what we’re talking about.
Wrooooooooooooooooong. Warframe’s premium currency is only injected into the economy with real world money. Just because a player can trade you platinum doesn’t mean that it’s obtainable without cash. This would be like saying you can get Halo Infinite’s credits without spending a penny if someone uses their credit card on your account to purchase the $100 pack.
And Halo Infinite players arguably have more choice at their disposal without spending money. At least Halo Infinite gives out cosmetics at a decent cadence, whereas most of the cosmetics in Warframe are entirely locked behind paywalls. Now if Warframe has suddenly changed in the last year, perhaps I’m wrong. But basically everything is locked behind platinum purchases. From colors to armor pieces to helmets to attachments.
You mean the classic palette that’s missing numerous basic colors like Black, White, or Yellow? The basic palette that has the most washed out and dull versions of each basic color?
It literally isn’t though. Warframe’s system is a farcry from perfect. If you just want a specific shade of green you have to buy an entire palette (infested) that has a ton of duplicate shades. You’re seriously going to look at their palette system and defend the claim that it’s perfect? Please.
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True. I spent around 15 minutes trying to find a shade of crimson I liked but once you find a colour you like in warframe, you can designate it as a favourite. Halo could easily implement something like that. I personally prefer Warframe over Halo at this point in general so I am a bit biased but the point is that 343 can look at what warframe and other games are doing and copy the things that are working well.
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Yes it is, if I didnt pay, then it is obtainable without cash, the economy may be powered by others but it still offers things to people who dont want to pay.
A F2P can look nearly IDENTICAL to a paying player
Really we were talking about warframe? Because i couldve sworn you said you were gonna buy a coating not a pallette.
If your argument is that you need to pay to look good, yet again, a single user can look almost however they want to with time in warframe without paying.
Wroooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong. A trading system is not comparable
There is very little in warframe that I got from paying with my own money, I cannot say the same for Infinite, warframe offers more for those who want to pay less. I got my color palletes all without paying irl money, and i got most of my attachments and skins from playing the game and not paying my own irl money.
It has yellow, and there are multiple palletes that have more than one color of multiple shades.
Tenno pallettes for example have a ton of various colors.
It is.
I never said its perfect but its by far better and i would take it in a heartbeat, considering theres palletes that have tons of colors, not just shades of one, and I am not forced to use very strict color patterns.
If you want a perfect shade of green, thats why the green pallete exists, if youre looking for roughlg the right green you can find it in a pallette that has many other colors.
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Then if my mommy uses her credit card to give me Credits in Halo Infinite each time I do the dishes, then I can acquire everything in the shop/battlepass without paying a single penny. Same thing as grinding prime components and selling them in Warframe.
Yup. Go back and re-read who/what I was replying to.
The overwhelming majority of cosmetic items in Warframe require platinum to purchase, and every cosmetic each time there’s a prime access can only be acquired by dropping enough cash to buy the latest release for a cape and some armor. Halo Infinite at least gives components away for free.
Right, but someone else paid for the platinum. Same way that my mommy gives me a credit allowance in Halo Infinite. If someone else pays for it, then it’s not your own money, therefor its not a paywall.
You mean that green/yellow mixture? I wouldn’t call that yellow, but whatever.
Do you actually read the conversation you reply to? I was directly addressing someone that said Warframe’s color system was perfect. Holy hell, dude.
If i could i would be rocking that combo as those are my favorite colors lol
It isn’t the same thing. Youre just being ingenious.
Real world work ≠ Having fun and obtaining goals in a video game.
The overwhelming majority of cosmetic items in Halo Infinite require credits. There’s bundle exclusives in warframe but that’s in the minority of things that are unobtainable to people who don’t pay money.
If someone has to log into your account to buy it, it is a paywall.
You literally replied to me
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Difference is that we can get the premium currency for free with a bit of farming and trading unlike infinite’s credits
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Alright. My friend wants me to grind out an event that they’re going to be away for in exchange for 2000 credits. Now it’s the same thing according to your definition.
Halo Infinite has a greater percentage of non-credit items than Warframe has of non-platinum items.
Not for me.
Because you replied to my critique of someone that was saying the system was perfect. If you’re not defending their original statement, then wtf are you even arguing?
Sly i think you should just ignore them at this point they are looking to troll
Against your point, it’s debate not rocket science, unless you absolutely need to caveman unga-bunga-oversimplify things, assuming I have the exact same beliefs of someone else without stating so is a terrible flaw.
Really, are they allowing you to trade in game?
Dont think thats a feature in halo.
And halo credits cant be obtained without putting bank information into that account, unlike Warframe.
Then take your definition no one agrees with out of the conversation instead of derailing it.
Absolutely, one more ingenious take and I’m out.
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My point, which was clearly stated in the comment you replied to, was that Warframe’s palette system isn’t perfect. You said explicitly that you’re not arguing against that point here:
Here is what you replied to:
So you say you’re arguing my point, but you very clearly aren’t. Please… PLEASE follow along.
Nope, but the outcome is exactly the same. I grind something for someone else, and in exchange I get a premium currency. It’s easier to do in Warframe, but functionally is no different.
Well no. Platinum isn’t introduced into the economy without putting in bank information. In both scenarios, someone is paying for those cosmetics that require premium currency. Warframe offers less cosmetics that don’t require premium currency.
Be my guest. You’re the one who injected themself into a conversation I was having to someone else. You’d be doing me a favor if you never injected yourself into a conversation that you’re not a part of to say something that’s irrelevant to what’s being discussed.
I retain the right to comment and criticize on any take on this public forum.
I never said i was for it being considered perfect or not, but here you are being a problem for the sake of it. I was just trying to explain why the problem you brought up was nearly nonexistent, and why that takes away from your credibility and makes you look ingenious.
You could always just ask how I feel about it.
Clearly skipping over my very specific wording LMAO, bye.
Let my posts be a warning to any who want to consider yours anything more than trolling.
Please do. Just saying that you’d be doing me a favor if I never got another notification from you.
Nope nope nope. The problem I raised was a critique of the claim that Warframe’s system is perfect. That’s literally my only point, if you don’t want to argue against the “warframe is perfect” claim, then there’s no reason for us to continue.
I’m genuinely not trying to be mean, but are you trying to use ingenious in a sarcastic way (because it’s not coming across that way here) or did you mean disingenuous? There were a couple times where I couldn’t tell if you actually meant to use ingenious or disingenuous.
I… Didn’t though. I granted you that trading credits isn’t a feature in-game, but you can achieve the same results regardless.
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