"Classic" gameplay is excruciatingly slow

lol no

Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal don’t have sprint and they’re fantastic games. Their base movement is fast enough.
I can agree Halo 3’s base movement is too slow for my liking. Heck even Halo 2 and CE movement are arguably slightly too slow for me. Make me feel like Chief and Blue Team in The Package portion of Halo Legends.

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> I’m so glad Infinite will incorporate some degree of advanced movement (sprint, grapple, etc.)
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> I booted up MCC and played some big team battle and oh my god it was painful. I can’t stand moving around so slow. Maybe it was fun back then (and it was for me), but gameplay has evolved. It reminded me of vanilla Destiny 2 before the go-fast update, but way worse.
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> I get it, everyone is clamoring for a back-to-basics approach with classic halo gameplay. Well it’s just my opinion that Halo Infinite is 100% going in the right direction. And now you all hate me :frowning:

dude even H2C was faster movement wise than H5 beside being able to shoot all the time.

90sec video proving this. H2 is almost 1sec faster than H5 with sprint from point a to point b, while H5 normal walk is 3sec slower despite not beeing able to shoot and weapon rdy speed. H5 is more a restriction than an improvement to “advanced” movement because all you got is animation locks lol

Edit: timestamp 5:20

was with the timecounter and it was H3 not H2 but the same map my bad

Obviously classic Halo is going to feel slow if you come back to it after playing Halo 5 for months/years. Play only classic Halo for a week and that feeling will go away.

I enjoy both Classic and Modern Halo, although I prefer the latter.

I was playing MCC the other day and I got a match of King of the Hill in Halo 4. My God it was painful. The lack of descope vs snipers was truely game breaking, and was a far greater sin than the inclusion (or lack) of sprint ever was.

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> > Sprint slows down gameplay by not allowing you to shoot your gun and move at the same time, as well as streching maps. Congrats on being coned into thinking you move fast.
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> It lets u get out of bad situations a lot faster and if u take 3 steps on the wrong direction u won’t die so I mean :man_shrugging:t4:

you just described sprint as a crutch…

Look at all the new players comparing the MCC to Halo 5 as if it’s valid.

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> > > 2535408243184272;3:
> > > Sprint slows down gameplay by not allowing you to shoot your gun and move at the same time, as well as streching maps. Congrats on being coned into thinking you move fast.
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> > It lets u get out of bad situations a lot faster and if u take 3 steps on the wrong direction u won’t die so I mean :man_shrugging:t4:
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> you just described sprint as a crutch…

Not only a crutch, but contradicts that sprint makes the game “faster”

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> Sprint slows down gameplay by not allowing you to shoot your gun and move at the same time, as well as streching maps. Congrats on being coned into thinking you move fast.

Don’t sprint. That’s the trade off every game with sprint has; speed/repositioning vs armed and ready. A similar dichotomy exists between hipfire and ADS movement. Whether you want this dynamic or not is a debate, sure, but this wacky argument makes no sense. It’s like saying the problem with jumping is you can’t crouch.

Theres nothing wrong with sprint. All these so called halo fans just want halo 3 over and over again. Sprint doesnt slow down gameplay, it gives you tactical options for combat. In halo 3 the gun fights were decided on who had the better gun. No skill or thinking required, just shoot them till they die. Adding sprint will give you the ability to avoid attacks similar to cod mw. In any fps game, I want to be able to run across an ally without dying because I am too slow. I want to be able to surprise attack people by rushing around the corner, startling them and out maneuvering their aim, giving me an advantage in the gun fight. Halo 3s gun fights were just shoot it out. There really was no point in strafing since we move so slowly. With sprinting gun fights have more variables. Aim, maneuverability, health, and dps.

Speaking from a logical standpoint, halo without sprinting makes absolutely no sense. We are playing as a bio augmented super soldier, and youre saying they shouldnt sprint??? The whole no sprint argument baffles me.

literally upping the base movement speed of Halo 5 to 125% and removing sprint would make the base moevemnt as fast as Sprint without any of the negative things that come with it

people who argue in favor of sprint have absolutely no idea what they’re talking about.
if you can get me a legit good reason to have sprint, good, but don’t come with this dumb “IT’S SLOW WITHOUT IT” crap. because that’s simply false.

Sprint doesn’t make any game faster.

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> Theres nothing wrong with sprint. All these so called halo fans just want halo 3 over and over again. Sprint doesnt slow down gameplay, it gives you tactical options for combat. In halo 3 the gun fights were decided on who had the better gun. No skill or thinking required, just shoot them till they die. Adding sprint will give you the ability to avoid attacks similar to cod mw. In any fps game, I want to be able to run across an ally without dying because I am too slow. I want to be able to surprise attack people by rushing around the corner, startling them and out maneuvering their aim, giving me an advantage in the gun fight. Halo 3s gun fights were just shoot it out. There really was no point in strafing since we move so slowly. With sprinting gun fights have more variables. Aim, maneuverability, health, and dps.
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> Speaking from a logical standpoint, halo without sprinting makes absolutely no sense. We are playing as a bio augmented super soldier, and youre saying they shouldnt sprint??? The whole no sprint argument baffles me.

All these fresh accounts using strawman arguments baffles me. Is it a smurf? What’s your highest rank in H5? Did you have any 50s in H3?.

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> > Theres nothing wrong with sprint. All these so called halo fans just want halo 3 over and over again. Sprint doesnt slow down gameplay, it gives you tactical options for combat. In halo 3 the gun fights were decided on who had the better gun. No skill or thinking required, just shoot them till they die. Adding sprint will give you the ability to avoid attacks similar to cod mw. In any fps game, I want to be able to run across an ally without dying because I am too slow. I want to be able to surprise attack people by rushing around the corner, startling them and out maneuvering their aim, giving me an advantage in the gun fight. Halo 3s gun fights were just shoot it out. There really was no point in strafing since we move so slowly. With sprinting gun fights have more variables. Aim, maneuverability, health, and dps.
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> > Speaking from a logical standpoint, halo without sprinting makes absolutely no sense. We are playing as a bio augmented super soldier, and youre saying they shouldnt sprint??? The whole no sprint argument baffles me.
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> All these fresh accounts using strawman arguments baffles me. Is it a smurf? What’s your highest rank in H5? Did you have any 50s in H3?.

Ha. All you can do is ask about my account in game. As if new people dont have any say in society. I have been playing halo 3 for a while now and I can say the game just isnt fun. Before you scream at me which i know youll do, read. The limited movement capability in halo makes it unfun. I quit halo reach and I quit halo 3 today, because the games just not nearly as fun as other fps. I quit Modern warfare, why? Not because of the gameplay, not because of broken mechanics, but because of my limited internet. I have a data cap and i cannot afford to download the massive updates every week. That is a much more acceptable and respectful reason to quit a game. I quit halo because the game is not fun. While i had so much fun in mw, and i was forced to quit because of my isp. Quitting by will and being forced to quit are marginally different. Halo infinite looks fun, for once. Sprinting like i mentioned above gives players more options to take in combat, in halo 3 every gun fight was just shoot it out until one person dies. There was no thinking and no strategy going into gun fights in halo 3. So, before insulting me for being new, maybe read my arguments and counter them.

You have no record of playing Halo so how would you know the difference? Are you being paid to say this stuff? Are the mods going to flag me again for calling you out even though you’re the one breaking the rules?

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> I don’t like Halo! SO MAKE HALO LIKE OTHER SHOOTERS! REEE!

There, I translated it for you.

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> > Sprint slows down gameplay by not allowing you to shoot your gun and move at the same time, as well as streching maps. Congrats on being coned into thinking you move fast.
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> Don’t sprint. That’s the trade off every game with sprint has; speed/repositioning vs armed and ready. A similar dichotomy exists between hipfire and ADS movement. Whether you want this dynamic or not is a debate, sure, but this wacky argument makes no sense. It’s like saying the problem with jumping is you can’t crouch.

He’s correct, though. Sprint creates huge downtimes between engagements where you run around like a headless chicken searching for enemies because of the elongated maps. I have measured this myself, time between engagements went from 5-10 seconds in the classic games up to 15-20 seconds in the advanced movement games. This is also confirmed by progaming matches, that lasted longer with less kills being made in H5G compared to Halo 3.

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> You have no record of playing Halo so how would you know the difference? Are you being paid to say this stuff? Are the mods going to flag me again for calling you out even though you’re the one breaking the rules?

huh? I am breaking rules? Wow. But you insulting me for being new and calling me a smurf isnt breaking the rules. By the way I have never come to these forums since now, because i wanted some action in shooting down the infinite haters. I have been playing halo 3 for a few weeks, and I can say the game is not fun. Wow, the “hes getting paid to say that” card. I remember when a youtuber hated on bo4 he got that same card thrown at him. Also, i still have yet to see your counter arguments to mine, all you did so far was insult me for being new, and then play the victim. So, if you cant provide anything to the discussion then I probably have the right to report YOU.

Yeah,
Let’s listen to this dude for feedback on Halo

played enough Halo in his life to rack up 80g! his opinion is absolutely valid. His arguments regarding how Halo 3 needs no skill and every gunfight is the same can be trusted as he HAS EIGHTY GAMERSCORE IN HALO!
I bet he hasn’t played any other arena shooter in his life either

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> Theres nothing wrong with sprint. All these so called halo fans just want halo 3 over and over again. Sprint doesnt slow down gameplay, it gives you tactical options for combat. In halo 3 the gun fights were decided on who had the better gun. No skill or thinking required, just shoot them till they die. Adding sprint will give you the ability to avoid attacks similar to cod mw. In any fps game, I want to be able to run across an ally without dying because I am too slow__. I want to be able to surprise attack people by rushing around the corner,__ startling them and out maneuvering their aim, giving me an advantage in the gun fight. Halo 3s gun fights were just shoot it out. There really was no point in strafing since we move so slowly. With sprinting gun fights have more variables. Aim, maneuverability, health, and dps.
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> Speaking from a logical standpoint, halo without sprinting makes absolutely no sense. We are playing as a bio augmented super soldier, and youre saying they shouldnt sprint??? The whole no sprint argument baffles me.

I am sorry, I don’t usually call people out like this and have no intention in getting virtually confrontational, but you clearly have no real sense of what encapsulates effective combat in Halo 3. “No skill or thinking required”. Really? If anything Halo 3 is much more like a game of chess while Halo 5 affords players some additional liberties should they decide to just sprint into combat. In Halo 3 BR slayer, pit a skilled player against ~3 opponents in relatively close quarters and the outnumbered player can have a fighting chance if they know what they’re doing. Meanwhile in H5 they might be able to take out 2 of them but then die because moron #3 abruptly enters the picture with a sprint + spartan charge. I am not using this example to criticize how Halo 5 plays, just offering it up as a contrast given your egregious statement that lacks any sense of validity. The enhanced mobility (sprint + thrusters) in H5 can be a lot more forgiving to a player. Well placed grenades often times have less value in combat given the enemy has enough time to thruster away from devastating splash damange.

In both games, power weapons can have significant advantages depending on the situation. Turn the corner and face an enemy bearing a rocket launcher, shotgun or sword, there is a good chance your SOL regardless of which Halo game you’re playing. Only difference is in Halo 5 you might just be sprinting into a quicker death :slight_smile:

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> > You have no record of playing Halo so how would you know the difference? Are you being paid to say this stuff? Are the mods going to flag me again for calling you out even though you’re the one breaking the rules?
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> huh? I am breaking rules? Wow. But you insulting me for being new and calling me a smurf isnt breaking the rules. By the way I have never come to these forums since now, because i wanted some action in shooting down the infinite haters. I have been playing halo 3 for a few weeks, and I can say the game is not fun. Wow, the “hes getting paid to say that” card. I remember when a youtuber hated on bo4 he got that same card thrown at him. Also, i still have yet to see your counter arguments to mine, all you did so far was insult me for being new, and then play the victim. So, if you cant provide anything to the discussion then I probably have the right to report YOU.

Making two accounts to post is against the rules. Now you’re gaslighting. And everybody here can see it. I’ll start countering your arguments when you start using your real account.