Classic and Ranked should be Separate

Games Other Halo
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Many posters on the forums are constantly request ion that ranked playlists should be a classic experience. I think this is a BAD idea for the series as a whole. Let me tell you why.

Halo 4 is a new game. 343i is has been putting in years of work to make this the best game they can. Halo is evolving wether we like it or not. Reading the anti-sprint and anti-AA threads I can see your points as to why these things can cause problems. That said, Ranked and Classic should still be separate.

If ranked contains classic playlists, many players will never bother trying the new game modes, and players who enjoy the new mechanics will have problems switching to ranked should they want to try playing in a more competitive environment.

If players only play classic, then they will never learn to adapt to the newer style of halo. 343i will ALWAYS have to produce a classic playlist, and if in halo 5 or 6 they decide to forgo a classic mode, then all the classic players will be in for an even bigger shock than if they had at least part of the time played “vanilla” halo 4 or “vanilla” halo 5.

having a classic playlist is important for appeasing the community. Even I would probably want to spend part of my time playing classic.

Having classic and ranked separated does several things: It encourages competitive players to adapt to the new system, reduces the problems for social players who wish to play ranked from time to time (I am one of them) and still gives players the option to play classic mode whenever they want.

That said, this would then cause problems for Classic players who want to play ranked.

I think a fair compromise would be to have “Ranked Classic Slayer”, with the rest of the ranked modes being standard. it gives classic players a ranked option. Why only one? Because I still feel it would be best to encourage players to adapt to the new system.

343i has shown with reach that they are willing to make changes. they could easily add, remove, or rearrange playlists. If there are significant problems, things could (and likely will) be changed.

But I still feel it would be best to, at least in the beginning, encourage players to play Halo 4 as Halo 4, and not just spend all their time in classic.

What do you guys think?

Please post in addition to voting. I want as many people to see this as possible, even if you don’t agree with me

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When they say ranked should be classic they don’t mean everything should be halo 2 style. They just mean that everyone should spawn equally and there shouldn’t be loadouts.

However, I do feel like the classic playlist should be in ranked.

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I am positive that if there is ranked playlists, they wont all be using classic settings (if they even have classic settings)

343 will do what they think is right, not what a bunch of random people on a forum want

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Yes

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My main worry is that if 343i listens like they have been doing in reach, too many players will never bother playing halo 4’s new settings. there seem to be many people, at least on these forums, who are 100% against what they think 343i is doing.

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I think both Ranked and Social should have some Classic stuff going on somewhere.

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> My main worry is that if 343i listens like they have been doing in reach, too many players will never bother playing halo 4’s new settings. there seem to be many people, at least on these forums, who are 100% against what they think 343i is doing.

Trust me, the amount of people on these forums isnt even close to the amount of people that actually buy/play Halo.

Dont worry, we will be enjoying ranked (hopefully) playlists with the HALO 4 settings

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> I think both Ranked and Social should have some Classic stuff going on somewhere.

Social classic is pretty much a given, I think. Im mainly talking about ranked, because i think most players will want to spend at least some of their time playing ranked, for achievements if nothing else.

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none else cares?

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To get good rank player should show skill and good team work without help from loudauts and “perks”. Only you , your weapon , your team and map control.

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> To get good rank player should show skill and good team work without help from loudauts and “perks”. Only you , your weapon , your team and map control.

I agree

Ranked should be about gun skill, map control and teamwork. As long as we get some playlists like that then I thank the majority of Halo players will be satisfied.

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> > To get good rank player <mark>should show skill and good team work</mark> without help from loudauts and “perks”. Only you , your weapon , your team and map control.
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> I agree
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> <mark>Ranked should be about gun skill, map control and teamwork</mark>. As long as we get some playlists like that then I thank the majority of Halo players will be satisfied.

Well, “50/50” is “some playlists”. I also agree that ranked playlists should be about player skill. that said, we don’t know enough yet about the load outs and “perks” to say for sure if they increase or decrease the skill gap. if the “perks” are balanced properly, there will be disadvantages, meaning that in the end it will still be about the more skilled player. Im hoping to see them function more in that they change how you play, not make you play better.

But I don’t really want to get into that kind of argument…

My main point is that halo is changing, so we need a way to appease both groups while encouraging (not forcing) players to adapt to the new style of gameplay.

I also think I will enjoy classic from time to time. But I don’t want to have to play classic every time i want to play ranked, and I feel that using the ranked playlist is a good way to encourage players to play in the new style. Not all new, but mostly new. Id still be happy with 50/50 though.

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I definitely would want two sets of playlists; classic and vanilla.

I’m not sure if Vanilla should have a ranked playlist :confused: Maybe if the loadouts and extra stuff they add in turns out to be balanced and not broken, yes. But otherwise, no.

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The classic gametype should be integrated into every playlist, then have weighting adjusted to appear more often in ranked, less often in social.

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> The classic gametype should be integrated into every playlist, then have weighting adjusted to appear more often in ranked, less often in social.

If you do that you will run into the inconsistency problem people have been complaining about in halo reach. I think its best for the playlists to be separated. the problem then becomes what goes where and why.

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We don’t know if Vanilla Halo 4 will be balanced and until we do I’ll have to stick to what I do know is balanced. And that is Classic, and balanced game-play is optimal if not necessary for Ranked (Competitive) play.

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> We don’t know if Vanilla Halo 4 will be balanced and until we do I’ll have to stick to what I do know is balanced. And that is Classic, and balanced game-play is optimal if not necessary for Ranked (Competitive) play.

You and many others talk as though social players don’t care about balance. I think most social players, like myself, would prefer a well balanced game to an imbalanced one. While balance is even more important in ranked settings, that doesn’t mean we don’t care if balance is ignored in social. We want vanilla to be as balanced as possible. that is why I’m suggesting that Vanilla settings should make up a significant about of the ranked playlists. if vanilla isn’t balanced, the game as a whole will be broken. “classic mode” won’t be able to fix everything. its possible that on the new maps vanilla might be even more balanced than classic. we have no idea how it will play yet.

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its the competitive players that want ranked and the classic feal of the game. let them have it. Its ranked and social playlists. social would want both classic and updated mechanics. Ranked generally plays to one skill set and thus leans heavily toward halo vanilla.