So, I know there is a lot of B’s about this but why did 343 industries make the fight slow when the armour they we’re we’re wearing would have inhanced their movement. As well as chief annihilating Locke within seconds. I don’t understand, all I won’t is a good explanation why a super drugged, armour enhances soldier couldn’t destroy Locke. Also, explanations I don’t except is age, armour, emotional distress, and other such factors which don’t really explain it. Master cheif is a super soldier!!! In all the books and lore, he is known to be incredibly strong with a high mobility. Please explain.
At the end of the day, the Chief was never out to kill Locke. He has no reason to hence why he locked his armour instead of killing him.
And even though they aren’t as tough as the S-II’s, the S-IV’s also have augmentations so Locke wouldn’t have gone down easily regardless.
It was pretty even. John won as soon as locke pulled out that immobilizer. He may as well have tied that arm behind his back.
I was surprised though, generally speaking a military program looks to improve over previous generations.
I would assume they were both pulling their punches as well. They weren’t trying to kill each other. But I do agree it could have been better.
It was a direct contradiction to the lore, unfortunately. I think 343 has read up and will learn from its mistakes.
I think that 343 was going for a more lethal and vicious rivalry between Chief and Locke in the trailers, but they had to change that for reasons I don’t know. If the game went like the trailers I’m pretty sure Locke’s entire fireteam would be dead.
It was disappointing seeing how Red vs Blue has fight scenes centuries ahead of this one.
1, neither of them were fighting to kill or mame or anything like that. Locke was trying to get an armor restraint on cheif. John was trying to get past Locke
- I’m going to take a page out of the star wars canon, and slightly dbz, as i feel it applies here as well. In episode 3 when Mace Windu was fighting palpatine, the movie made it look like they were just swinging anddancing around. But in the novel it was explained that Palpatine was really just a blur, and windu(also Yoda later on) were the only one(s) who could even keep up. Even Anikin couldn’t when we was there in the novel. But in the movie they had toshow it in a way that made sense. Aka slowed down.
In dbz they do and dojt slow it down. When it’s not slowed down we just see either the shock waves or a bunch oblurring. So it looks like the slowed it down so they have something to annimate
Translating that to the fight in question, even IF they were moving as fast as they possibly could(would literally be a blur to us!) They could have been just showing it in a similar way. The Locke can keep up with cheif and vice versa, so the speed would have been a moot point. Their reactions are almost 20ms (Sp. 2s post augmentation) outside their armor. If they actually moved at 20ms responses we wouldn’t process it, let alone the faster reflexes they have in their suit which in mark 4 armor is doubled, 5 and 6 I don’t know the increase. So let’s keep it still as doubled.
So it just looked like that so we mere mortals could process it.
That’s how I always saw it at least that actually made sense to me in the context of a game.
Why would Locke be destroyed in a few seconds? We’re talking about two experienced, augmented, and MJOLNIR clad individuals trading blows. In the end, Chief got the upper hand due to being more versed in the ways of combat.
With what was established between the two characters, it would have been more outlandish for Chief to just straight up win within seconds.
When Chief slammed his fist on the ground, that would have been able to kill Locke, so maybe he was trying to kill him? I don’t understand 343.
It was like watching two drunk guys brawling over a two day old piece of fried chicken… Fail.
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> When Chief slammed his fist on the ground, that would have been able to kill Locke, so maybe he was trying to kill him? I don’t understand 343.
That wouldn’t have killed him. It would have hurt like the dickens, for sure, but Locke’s reinforced bones and being encased in MJOLNIR would have prevented the blow from being lethal.
Chief was intending to incapacitate, not maim/kill.
The fight scene was like they were playing Just Dance on the Xbox 360, I wonder the next time they fight it’ll be Halo on Ice
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> The fight scene was like they were playing Just Dance on the Xbox 360, I wonder the next time they fight it’ll be Halo on Ice
I laughed and then imagined the dancing evolve as they eventually had dresses on xD
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> 1, neither of them were fighting to kill or mame or anything like that. Locke was trying to get an armor restraint on cheif. John was trying to get past Locke
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> 2. I’m going to take a page out of the star wars canon, and slightly dbz, as i feel it applies here as well. In episode 3 when Mace Windu was fighting palpatine, the movie made it look like they were just swinging anddancing around. But in the novel it was explained that Palpatine was really just a blur, and windu(also Yoda later on) were the only one(s) who could even keep up. Even Anikin couldn’t when we was there in the novel. But in the movie they had toshow it in a way that made sense. Aka slowed down.
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> In dbz they do and dojt slow it down. When it’s not slowed down we just see either the shock waves or a bunch oblurring. So it looks like the slowed it down so they have something to annimate
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> Translating that to the fight in question, even IF they were moving as fast as they possibly could(would literally be a blur to us!) They could have been just showing it in a similar way. The Locke can keep up with cheif and vice versa, so the speed would have been a moot point. Their reactions are almost 20ms (Sp. 2s post augmentation) outside their armor. If they actually moved at 20ms responses we wouldn’t process it, let alone the faster reflexes they have in their suit which in mark 4 armor is doubled, 5 and 6 I don’t know the increase. So let’s keep it still as doubled.
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> So it just looked like that so we mere mortals could process it.
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> That’s how I always saw it at least that actually made sense to me in the context of a game.
That’s no excuse for the poorly choreographed fight scene that lacked even the most basic of martial arts practices.
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> > 1, neither of them were fighting to kill or mame or anything like that. Locke was trying to get an armor restraint on cheif. John was trying to get past Locke
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> > 2. I’m going to take a page out of the star wars canon, and slightly dbz, as i feel it applies here as well. In episode 3 when Mace Windu was fighting palpatine, the movie made it look like they were just swinging anddancing around. But in the novel it was explained that Palpatine was really just a blur, and windu(also Yoda later on) were the only one(s) who could even keep up. Even Anikin couldn’t when we was there in the novel. But in the movie they had toshow it in a way that made sense. Aka slowed down.
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> > In dbz they do and dojt slow it down. When it’s not slowed down we just see either the shock waves or a bunch oblurring. So it looks like the slowed it down so they have something to annimate
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> > Translating that to the fight in question, even IF they were moving as fast as they possibly could(would literally be a blur to us!) They could have been just showing it in a similar way. The Locke can keep up with cheif and vice versa, so the speed would have been a moot point. Their reactions are almost 20ms (Sp. 2s post augmentation) outside their armor. If they actually moved at 20ms responses we wouldn’t process it, let alone the faster reflexes they have in their suit which in mark 4 armor is doubled, 5 and 6 I don’t know the increase. So let’s keep it still as doubled.
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> > So it just looked like that so we mere mortals could process it.
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> > That’s how I always saw it at least that actually made sense to me in the context of a game.
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> That’s no excuse for the poorly choreographed fight scene that lacked even the most basic of martial arts practices.
OP didnt ask about that, but how slow it was so was responding with that in mind.
As for lack of basic martial arts practices, I wouldn’t call that a total lack. Just not flashy like in a Martial arts movie/anime sure. Also if you keep in mind what they generally would be fighting hand to hand, proethians and covenant, I’d imagine it would be less finess and more sheer brutality. So it wouldn’t make sense it to be elegant an choreographed.
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> > > 1, neither of them were fighting to kill or mame or anything like that. Locke was trying to get an armor restraint on cheif. John was trying to get past Locke
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> > > 2. I’m going to take a page out of the star wars canon, and slightly dbz, as i feel it applies here as well. In episode 3 when Mace Windu was fighting palpatine, the movie made it look like they were just swinging anddancing around. But in the novel it was explained that Palpatine was really just a blur, and windu(also Yoda later on) were the only one(s) who could even keep up. Even Anikin couldn’t when we was there in the novel. But in the movie they had toshow it in a way that made sense. Aka slowed down.
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> > > In dbz they do and dojt slow it down. When it’s not slowed down we just see either the shock waves or a bunch oblurring. So it looks like the slowed it down so they have something to annimate
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> > > Translating that to the fight in question, even IF they were moving as fast as they possibly could(would literally be a blur to us!) They could have been just showing it in a similar way. The Locke can keep up with cheif and vice versa, so the speed would have been a moot point. Their reactions are almost 20ms (Sp. 2s post augmentation) outside their armor. If they actually moved at 20ms responses we wouldn’t process it, let alone the faster reflexes they have in their suit which in mark 4 armor is doubled, 5 and 6 I don’t know the increase. So let’s keep it still as doubled.
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> > > So it just looked like that so we mere mortals could process it.
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> > > That’s how I always saw it at least that actually made sense to me in the context of a game.
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> > That’s no excuse for the poorly choreographed fight scene that lacked even the most basic of martial arts practices.
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> OP didnt ask about that, but how slow it was so was responding with that in mind.
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> As for lack of basic martial arts practices, I wouldn’t call that a total lack. Just not flashy like in a Martial arts movie/anime sure. Also if you keep in mind what they generally would be fighting hand to hand, proethians and covenant, I’d imagine it would be less finess and more sheer brutality. So it wouldn’t make sense it to be elegant an choreographed.
In a fight, regardless of what style you practice, you always keep your arms up to protect your face and your chin tucked in to guard it from uppercuts.
Neither of them did that. Spartans are supposed to be trained in martial arts as confirmed by the novels.
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> > > > 1, neither of them were fighting to kill or mame or anything like that. Locke was trying to get an armor restraint on cheif. John was trying to get past Locke
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> > > > 2. I’m going to take a page out of the star wars canon, and slightly dbz, as i feel it applies here as well. In episode 3 when Mace Windu was fighting palpatine, the movie made it look like they were just swinging anddancing around. But in the novel it was explained that Palpatine was really just a blur, and windu(also Yoda later on) were the only one(s) who could even keep up. Even Anikin couldn’t when we was there in the novel. But in the movie they had toshow it in a way that made sense. Aka slowed down.
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> > > > In dbz they do and dojt slow it down. When it’s not slowed down we just see either the shock waves or a bunch oblurring. So it looks like the slowed it down so they have something to annimate
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> > > > Translating that to the fight in question, even IF they were moving as fast as they possibly could(would literally be a blur to us!) They could have been just showing it in a similar way. The Locke can keep up with cheif and vice versa, so the speed would have been a moot point. Their reactions are almost 20ms (Sp. 2s post augmentation) outside their armor. If they actually moved at 20ms responses we wouldn’t process it, let alone the faster reflexes they have in their suit which in mark 4 armor is doubled, 5 and 6 I don’t know the increase. So let’s keep it still as doubled.
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> > > > So it just looked like that so we mere mortals could process it.
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> > > > That’s how I always saw it at least that actually made sense to me in the context of a game.
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> > > That’s no excuse for the poorly choreographed fight scene that lacked even the most basic of martial arts practices.
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> > OP didnt ask about that, but how slow it was so was responding with that in mind.
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> > As for lack of basic martial arts practices, I wouldn’t call that a total lack. Just not flashy like in a Martial arts movie/anime sure. Also if you keep in mind what they generally would be fighting hand to hand, proethians and covenant, I’d imagine it would be less finess and more sheer brutality. So it wouldn’t make sense it to be elegant an choreographed.
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> In a fight, regardless of what style you practice, you always keep your arms up to protect your face and your chin tucked in to guard it from uppercuts.
> Neither of them did that. Spartans are supposed to be trained in martial arts as confirmed by the novels.
Fair point. But I’d argue they can fall from space and be fine so keeping their guard up for their chin is almost a moot point. Especially Chief considering how, “in”(?) His chin actually is. If you look at his armor, his chest piece sticks out so much there couldn’t be a uppercut to his chin because they would either hit his chest piece, or towards the top of helmet. Also they are wearing helmets, so I’d imagine different set of rules? Their helmet have shock absorption, chiefs skull is basically unbreakable due to his Spartan 2 augmentation that I don’t know if Locke does as well.
Honestly though, I totally agree though normally keeping the face protected is number 1 though as I’ve learned a little bit. I just never see a armored spartan having to worry about stuff like that.
343 is simply limiting Chief’s power levels. If he was at his true potential, he could punch Locke so hard, his body would shoot into space, fly to Installation 00, and breach High Charity before Voridus could. Probably.
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> At the end of the day, the Chief was never out to kill Locke. He has no reason to hence why he locked his armour instead of killing him.
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> And even though they aren’t as tough as the S-II’s, the S-IV’s also have augmentations so Locke wouldn’t have gone down easily regardless.
I was just surprised how slow the fight went in terms of their speed. They were both given augmentations and armor that enhances basically everything about them also counting the fact they are super soldiers