Chief V.S. Locke Breakdown (100% FACTS) You Choose

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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Spartan Augmentation

Bones
Spartan II & IV
Carbide Ceramic Ossification - Advanced material grafting onto skeletal structures to make bones virtually unbreakable. Recommended coverage not to exceed 3% total bone mass because of significant white blood cell necrosis.

Muscles
Spartan II - Muscular Enhancement Injections - Protein complex is injected intramuscularly to increase tissue density and decrease lactase recovery time.
Spartan IV - Muscular Enhancement Lining - Compound applied to the exterior surface of all muscles, allowing them work harder without tearing the Spartan’s skeleton apart.

Eyes
Spartan II - Occipital Capillary Reversal - Submergence and boosted blood vessel flow beneath the rods and cones of the subject’s retina. Produces a marked visual perception increase.
Spartan IV - Corneal Implants - Boosted perception and massively increased night vision

Spartan II ONLY
Growth
Catalytic Thyroid Implant - Platinum pellet containing human growth hormone catalyst is implanted in the thyroid to boost growth of skeletal and muscle tissues.

Nervous System
Superconducting Fibrification of Neural Dendrites - Alteration of bioeletrical nerve transduction to shielded electronic transduction. 300% increase in subject reflexes. Anecdotal evidence of marked increase in intelligence, memory, and creativity.

Spartan IV ONLY
Lungs
Pulmonary Polymer Lining - Greatly increases oxygen intake and retention, helps process toxins from the air and allows SPARTANs to breathe certain non-oxygen atmospheres for up to an hour.

Heart
Cardiac Implants - Strengthens cardio-vascular tissue and increases maximum heartrate to safely allow massive adrenaline flow without the risk of stroke or heart attack. These implants supposedly are able to allow an unarmored SPARTAN-IV to run at a maximum speed of almost 40 miles (64 km) per hour.

Nutrition
Artificial Pancreas Implant - Allows the SPARTAN’s body to extract the maximum amount of nutrients and carbohydrates from food with minimal waste.

Healing
Artificial Platelet Injections - Enhances the body’s ability to slow bleeding and clot wounds.

MAJOR DIFFERENCE
AGE & EXPERIANCE
John
Born in 2511
It was stated by Mendez that as Spartans grew older, they only grew stronger and faster as their bodies grew accustomed to their augmentations. (These augmentations were done at 14. John is now 47… that’s a lot of growing especially with the Thyroid implants.
Started Training at 6 in the year 2517… 41 Years of experience.

Locke
Was born in the year 2529… (Chief had been training for 12 years an already undergone augmentation 4 years prior and was 18 by this time)
Started training at (N/A)… but through the process of elimination and saying he enlisted at 18 it would be year 2547…
(Chief had been in service for 30 years and was 36 also he had been augmented at 14 [22 years prior] so he most likely would have been grown to his full potential size and would have been well accustomed and adapted to the augmentations by this time).
Lock didn’t become a Spartan-IV until after the events of Nightfall (2556) but just before Halo 5 (2558)
So we will give him the benefit of the doubt and say 2557 giving him less then ONE year to adjust to these augmentations.

Locke age 29 @ 11 years in service (if joined at 18) and one year or less removed from augmentation period.
John age 47 @ 41 years in service and 33 years removed from augmentation period that made him grow stronger bigger and faster over time. (avg. human males can grow slowly all the way up to 25…John is not normal and has increased growth rates.)

No Armor
Physically they are both 6’10" (apparently weird honestly John should be taller)
John is 290 lbs
Lock is 260 lbs

Armor
Both Spartans wear MJOLNIR GEN2 Powered Assault Armor. (yes chief wears it in Halo 4 as well making him more used to said armor as well.)

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In the cutscene Chief overpowered Locke and forced the armor lock (never thought I would say that again) onto Locke. It seems clear that Chief is the stronger of the two. Also Chief has the most successful missions out of any Spartan team, so he is probably the most effective as well. I am surprised Locke could keep up in the fight between the two.

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In a 1v1 fight, I would put my money on the Chief. But that doesn’t mean Locke is a pushover, He still went toe-to-toe with the Chief and held his own. Heck, He even inflicted physical damage to the Chiefs armor by cracking his visor.

It’s kinda like Goku and Vegeta; You would put your money on Goku, But Vegeta would still put up a fight. But in the end, They would have respect for each other and ultimately work together.

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Out of armor a Spartan II will beat a squad of Spartan IVs.

The armor levels the playing field. There will at some point be diminishing returns and as such the armor makes the IIs and IVs almost equal.

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I still hate it that they made the fight scene that bad. Everything about it was awful, the Chief’s dialogue felt out of place and unneeded, there was no reason for them to fight, the fight itself was awful and looked both of them look like untrained Average Joes.

Okay, rant finished. From a purely objective standpoint an S-II should beat an S-IV if they’re given the same armor. The II has better and more training and better augmentations because while they were crude at the time, they were also performed on children which let the augmentations take full effect as the II grew.

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> In a 1v1 fight, I would put my money on the Chief. But that doesn’t mean Locke is a pushover, He still went toe-to-toe with the Chief and held his own. Heck, He even inflicted physical damage to the Chiefs armor by cracking his visor.

Hardly. I’d say cracking the visor just pissed Chief off and then he decided he’d stop trying to subdue Locke without hurting him. Notice as soon as Locke pulls out the locking device the fight becomes instantly one-sided in Chief’s favor like he was just toying with him before.

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Im surprised that the new augmentations, as they can apprantly be done on anyone, arent already in the IIs tbh,

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> Im surprised that the new augmentations, as they can apprantly be done on anyone, arent already in the IIs tbh,

Yeah, you’d think the UNSC would slap some of the new augs onto surviving II’s and III’s to make them even more deadly.

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> > Im surprised that the new augmentations, as they can apprantly be done on anyone, arent already in the IIs tbh,
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> Yeah, you’d think the UNSC would slap some of the new augs onto surviving II’s and III’s to make them even more deadly.

No. The augmentations done to the IIs are more intense and more dangerous than what’s done to IVs. IIs were picked because they were BORN superior to everyone else. They won the gene pool lottery. Their augmentations make them even more so. A freshly augmented John killed a handful of veteran ODSTs like they were ants being crushed beneath a shoe. IVs don’t receive such extensive augmentation because what the IIs underwent are so dangerous, and because a majority of them don’t fit the necessary criterion. IVs aren’t more advanced. Their armor is so sophisticated because they need the extra help to be close to what a II is. So augmenting IIs with IV augments would be downgrading, and even what the IVs have that the IIs don’t, it’s obvious they don’t need, you could say.

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> Out of armor a Spartan II will beat a squad of Spartan IVs.
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> The armor levels the playing field. There will at some point be diminishing returns and as such the armor makes the IIs and IVs almost equal.

both have Gen 2 in Halo 5 (Blue team and Osiris) so you cant say that about all SIIs :stuck_out_tongue:

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Chief would have hands down. Unless some massive fluke happened.

Also didn’t Kelly get clocked at 32 mph in the armor?

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> Im surprised that the new augmentations, as they can apprantly be done on anyone, arent already in the IIs tbh,

Honestly Chief probably did some extra augmentations through out the series as they invented new ones just as he donned new armors… but they never mention this so its unknown…

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> > > Im surprised that the new augmentations, as they can apprantly be done on anyone, arent already in the IIs tbh,
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> > Yeah, you’d think the UNSC would slap some of the new augs onto surviving II’s and III’s to make them even more deadly.
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> No. The augmentations done to the IIs are more intense and more dangerous than what’s done to IVs. IIs were picked because they were BORN superior to everyone else. They won the gene pool lottery. Their augmentations make them even more so. A freshly augmented John killed a handful of veteran ODSTs like they were ants being crushed beneath a shoe. IVs don’t receive such extensive augmentation because what the IIs underwent are so dangerous, and because a majority of them don’t fit the necessary criterion. IVs aren’t more advanced. Their armor is so sophisticated because they need the extra help to be close to what a II is. So augmenting IIs with IV augments would be downgrading, and even what the IVs have that the IIs don’t, it’s obvious they don’t need, you could say.

It is safe to say that Locke couldn’t even put on Chiefs Original suit now even after augmentation without being crushed by it. Lol but the IVs do have certain augmentations that are better and or just different then the Spartan-IIs… which is something I was trying to point out… Chief would definitely win and the fight should have been even more one sided I think… (Locke barely donned the armor and augmentations less than a year ago… he should still be getting used to them honestly, not to mention his service record isn’t great… he is an assassination/acquisitions expert… Chief is a one man armada decimating machine of death who has fought the covenant since the beginning in 2525 before lock was even born and don’t forget he fought through halo 1,2,3, and 4 almost completely solo with help from the Arbiter and Cortana of course…I mean cmon… seriously.)

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117 has luck on his side.

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> 117 has luck on his side.

This is also very true… LMAO.

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Chief

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If you go strictly from lore and assume chief wanted to kill Locke, Locke would have been dead in less than a minute.

The only reason the fight was even close was just for suspense and entertainment. It also would have made Locke look incredibly bad which 343 wouldn’t allow because Locke is the new main character for halo.

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> In the cutscene Chief overpowered Locke and forced the armor lock (never thought I would say that again) onto Locke. It seems clear that Chief is the stronger of the two. Also Chief has the most successful missions out of any Spartan team, so he is probably the most effective as well. I am surprised Locke could keep up in the fight between the two.

Chief was going easy until Locke did the thing.

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Until I see evidence that Locke is a incarnation of a god that predates the stars and will still survive in some form long after those same stars have died, Chief wins by default. [ He will be there at worlds end, at the close], [ He has Durability] [ He follows one of the pa7hs that go on forever and never end] [He is Destiny].

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This post lacks something very important. Mijolnir works with with gel layer that creates a force multiplication and NOT with servos (which would explain an equal strength level between spartan 2s and 4s). So if math is not an opinion the armor would only INCREASE the strength differential and **** the diminishing returns. If Locke is 7 and chief is 10 when it comes to strength and the gel layer according to lore adds a force multiplier factor of 5 then Locke in armor is 35 and chief is 50…simple as that really.

But hey, let’s not use logic because, you know, 343 had to make their pet Locke look good…

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> > Out of armor a Spartan II will beat a squad of Spartan IVs.
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> > The armor levels the playing field. There will at some point be diminishing returns and as such the armor makes the IIs and IVs almost equal.
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> both have Gen 2 in Halo 5 (Blue team and Osiris) so you cant say that about all SIIs :stuck_out_tongue:

since they have the same armor its a null point and we need only examine them unarmored which well… pretty obvious