"Champions DLC doesn't work in Spartan Ops?"

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This really strikes me as pure oversight. I don’t think 343 looked at this situation and said “ah screw it, who cares”. This is probably something that wasn’t realized until MS already had it ready to be put up on the marketplace.

Fortunately, since the DL (both the patch and the content itself) was fairly small and affected ALL of multiplayer, I’d imagine this would be possible to fix. Probably whenever the next patch hits. The only problem I could see them running into is the fact that SpOps runs on the campaign engine and just uses your multiplayer assets. There may be some limitation there if they can’t play with the campaign side of the game’s guts too much.

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has there been any statements about this yet?

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It’s kinda annoying that I can’t murder Grunts in style, seeing as I rarely ever play online any more, I may have just wasted 800MSP.

Hopefully they will decide to patch the Spartan Ops side of things so I can snap an Sangheili spine using armour blasphemously built from their holy relics.

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> So when they say Matchmaking you all think Spartan Ops? I don’t agree that 343 are unprofessional or had false advertising. Nowhere in the Bulletins that talked about the Champions Bundle was there any indication that it would be included in Spartan Ops.
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> The Halo Bulletin 8.14.13
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> Halo Bulletin 7.10.13
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> I understand that there is some disappointment, but quite honestly one should never assume. It is not 343’s fault that even after reading the bulletins you still thought it would be all inclusive in both campaign and Spartan Ops. I can see how there is a possibility to think that it might be included because of how the skins from the LE and preorders were, but I am of the opinion that there should have been more investigation on your part. I definitely would have if I was purchasing it solely for that.

Here’s the armor’s description straight from the XBL marketplace

“From classic, legendary Mjolnir and Special Forces armor to the ancient Forerunner mail of an era long passed, <mark>now is the time to update your Halo 4 Spartan</mark>. With the Infinity Armor Pack, you get access to the vintage Mark V armor of Halo: Combat Evolved, the rugged armor worn by the battle-hardened ODSTs, and a hybrid Forerunner armor system used by their civilization’s Prefects more than 100,000 years ago.”

There’s absolutely no indication that the armor has any limitations on the official selling page nor is it at all reasonable to suppose there might be since at no point does this game make any distinctions between SOPS and regular multiplayer loadouts and armor configurations. You unlock something for one, you get it in the other and that was more or less the tag line for this all inclusive system during Halo 4’s development. And given that baseline, failing to provide explicit confirmation for SOPS support (they didn’t exactly confirm multiplayer support either apart from showing the new stuff on the new maps) would only rouse the most dangerously paranoid among us and yet you say that’s what we should have done. That’s madness, and madness certainly doesn’t justify what 343 has done here (which has certainly not been the upstanding course of action.)

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I hope this gets an update soon overall this dlc has a ton of weird bugs and glitches when two accounts play on one Xbox.
Really hope they release a SpOps patch.

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I’m not surprised that 343I screwed up once again, every DLC they have released so far has had issues, like the “Trial” on the first DLC and such.

I just bought this because i had 800 msp I hadn’t used since the last DLC (And I had leftovers from DLC of other games that are actually good) and since I like to complete my games I just did it for the achievements.

Hopefully this is their last DLC and achievements for this mediocre game, now I can finally put H4 to rest and go back to Reach and then H3 when games with gold puts it for free (I do have my disc but hopefully MORE people will come back to H3 when it becomes free) to play real Halo once more.

I find this quite funny tho, I remember back in the day when people where crying about how Reach was terrible and how they hoped Bungie burned in the fiery depths, and also praised 343I even claiming them to be the “SAVIOURS OF HALO” just to have the company we have now, with their horrible decisions, terrible communication, and bugged launches running the Halo franchise, if anything 343I seems to be more of the killers of Halo than the other way around.

I used to mention this on the B.net forums and people raged, now I am just sitting back and enjoying the show as I knew this would happen.

For those who still play and will keep playing this game, I hope you guys get your fix I really do but I wouldn’t count on 343I.

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That’s so sad!

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All I’ve noticed so far is that the DLC does not work in S-OPs, which the whole reason I brought the DLC was to have new armour for S-OPs as it is my favourite game mode.

Next - which bothered me a lot more was that in multiplayer, your forearms and shoulders from the first person perspective are not actually DLC amour. I’m using the MK.V and in first person my forearms are ‘Inner-Plated’ and my shoulders appear to be ‘Scout’ shoulders.

I’m disappointed, but at the same time I’m not surprised, because it’s 343i.

I don’t hate the company, but I only really had respect for Bungie as a Halo game producing company.

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> > It might be that the two are just incompatible.
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> So what? If it simply can’t be done for Halo 4 SOPS incompatibility with new DLC should have been brought to our attention well in advance and underlined under the content’s description on XBL. Since 343 didn’t go so far as that we might hope that this is just a glitch with mass distribution, though we might also assume they’ve turned to piracy on the high seas of their own community.
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> <mark>If we start seeing parrots in the next vidoc we’ll know for sure…</mark>

Arrr… those Halo fans be ripe for plunder!

Long time, no see, Duncan.

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> 343i should, at the least <mark>own up to not telling their community about this little incident or at least inform that either they are doing something to fix the problem or explain to us why it cannot be so.</mark>
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> That’s really the only thing i’m really angry about.

Yes. This is what 343i is famous for.

/sarcasm

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As a mainly Campaign and Spartan Ops player, add me to the list of disappointed players about this whole Spartan Ops/Champion Bundle debacle. I’m beginning to wonder if 343 has a Quality Assurance team?

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> While it was never explicitly stated that the Bundle would work in Spartan Ops, it was never stated that it wouldn’t work, either (with the exception of that forum post). Since Spartan Ops and War Games are both multiplayer modes that share your Spartan-IV, as well as your loadouts, one would have the tendency to assume (and it’s a fair assumption, in my opinion) that the Bundle would work for both modes. After all, isn’t the whole concept behind the Infinity mode that War Games is the training grounds for the Spartan [Ops] missions? That means the two multiplayer modes go hand in hand. There’s not really a logical reason why you would “train” with equipment that you can’t take into the field. <mark>I suppose one could say that we’re “testing” equipment in War Games for the field, but that seems like a cop out, in my opinion.</mark>

Yes, because “testing” equipment in War Games, when everyone (probably) on both sides has the same equipment, is not a test.

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I hope they fix this, it’d be a shame if they didnt.

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I’ve tried to stand by 343i throughout their time thus far with Halo, but my patience is running thin. I’ve always loved the ODST armor, and I was thrilled thinking I could use it in Halo 4, but the fact that I can’t use it in SOPS, one of my favorite game modes, is absurd and somewhat offensive. I paid good money for the Champions Bundle, and until 343i rectifies the problem, I’m not going to be playing Halo 4. Well, that is if they rectify the problem… One can only hope.

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SciFiWithFries

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I think its just sad that, they actually gained my trust alot and fixed alot of the issues, and this pack sounded great, and then they throw it back in your face…
please fix this

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I am more disappointed that once again, War Games-specific content is given higher priority. Yes, I understand that many people play War Games, but as indicative of this thread, quite a number play Spartan Ops. More and more, I am given the impression that how I choose to enjoy Halo 4 is somehow wrong.

I understand that I’m likely in a population of select few individuals that only have time to play Halo 4 on a casual basis; time constraints and offline responsibilities curtail any prolonged participation on my part. I am able to get in on a couple of War Games matches, but realistically I am primarily a single-player or local party gamer, and often I need to pause my game to address things that might require my immediate attention.

However, I like playing Halo. I like playing Halo 4, despite some of its criticisms. I like the fact that Spartan Ops is similar to Firefight in Halo Reach (another mode I enjoy for the same reasons above). Yes, it can be a tad repetitive, but Spartan Ops provides immersion into the Halo 'verse that you don’t really get in War Games.

So when a majority of bonus content is only available to me if I play a certain game mode, or in a certain style, it makes me feel like I’m second-class. It seems to indicate that I am not appreciated, that I’m not supposed to enjoy Halo 4 the way I do. Heck, I can’t even watch the Spartan Ops movies anymore.

Most armor variants can only be unlocked with War Games commendations, so when word of brand new armor being available for everyone came down, you can imagine my excitement (and subsequent disappointment). In fact, this feeling is emphasized by the bulletins that don’t even bother distinguishing between War Games and Spartan Ops. Instead the term is “matchmaking,” which is used interchangeably to mean War Games or just generic online play.

Some have said that it wouldn’t matter with Spartan Ops because you wouldn’t see yourself. Would this not be true in War Games? Isn’t the point of having your choice of armor primarily to be viewed by other players? Spartan Ops is not just a single-player mode; it can be played co-op online, or on local split-screen (and in fact is a perfect party game to introduce new players to Halo 4, by working together instead of against).

I totally understand that players often want to distinguish themselves and advertise their skill, which is why we now have the CSR and special War Games playlists. I’m all for that, and have tremendous respect for gamers that can compete at the highest level. And I’m not asking to be put on the same pedestal as a competitive War Gamer.

I just want to feel like I am still considered a part of the Halo 'verse. I want to feel included, to feel excited when new content is made available. A part of that inclusion is being able to actually use that new content. Instead I am left feeling like a forgotten step-child, abandoned in the supermarket because my guardians said they’d buy a toy for the kids and left me behind because they really meant their favorite son or daughter. Again.

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> When you buy a car you assume you can drive it on any rode unless otherwise stated. And when you find that the wheels fall off on the highway that’s cause for concern. It’s not excusable that a pretty serious limitation (the content doesn’t work in half the game) is only given passing mention on a forum the night prior to release when a section of the general audience (those that play co-op) is left out in the cold when they get their pricey new recruit armor going in SOPS. I know this effects other people and that might be where you’re not quite understanding our feelings about this matter, but without a confirmed fix or any other word except that it’s a “known issue” we’re going to complain and we’re going to feel ripped off by improperly advertised content.
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> And leave the <mark>Zero Punctuation</mark> quips to where they’re actually applicable. Expecting DLC to work properly isn’t a projection of any kind. It’s a standard.

Fair enough, it is reasonable to assume that it would work across the board for Multiplayer, but it wasn’t “advertised” to work at all, so the “supposed to work because they apparently said so” argument is invalid.

I can understand why the Spartan Ops people are upset, but asking 343i for a refund and giving them hell on a piece of experimental DLC makes me upset because everyone here apparently believes that if they can make it seem like their paper cut is a life-threatening laceration, then they’ll be right.

I’m hoping for a fix myself and an explanation, but my final point is that I don’t understand why people are upset over video game DLC and where the whole “we g0t ripped off, it doesnt werk wit SpOps, kilL 343 nd saw thayr ballz off” thing came from :confused:

Not trying to horribly antagonize anyone, but people really need to think before posting a needless complaint on forums. These forums are filled with nothing but now :frowning:

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Well said, Blade KillJoy.

I’m upset about this myself, but 343I are people too, and no ones perfect. I play a few online games called DragonFable and AQWorlds, and they have releases every Friday. Each friday, there’s always a bug that needs squashing and once it’s taken care of, everything runs perfectly. This is essentially the same value for 343. They released something, and it has bugs, as every digital piece of code is bound to.

I’m sure we haven’t gotten a reply from 343 because they’re probably working their cans off to try to fix issues they didn’t see at first. I mean, do we think that they are going to leave armors bugged in Matchmaking, ignoring Ops entirely. I’m sure they’ll get this all straightened out, it’s just a simple inconvenience.

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> Not trying to horribly antagonize anyone, but people really need to think before posting a needless complaint on forums. These forums are filled with nothing but now :frowning:

It’s quite simple: They asked us to plunk down some cash, then we found out later that we weren’t getting what we had every right to expect. BS Angel mentioned in a post that this stuff wouldn’t work in SpOps, so they knew. They should have said something, but if they had, less people would have bought it. I haven’t bought it, and I’m not.

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Good thing I’m too busy playing the new DLC playlist to not care for Spartan Ops.