If I remember correctly, when Halo 4 was still in production, I remember reading that Multiplayer and Spartan Ops were two completely separate entities. Before this it was believed that new armor couldn’t be added. It was, but on one side of the coin. In order for the new armor to work in Spartan Ops, an model patch would have to be applied to the SpOps side. This was probably forgotten by the Devs during development. Don’t trust my memory, I’m old.
> Thank God I didnt buy it yet. Feel so sorry for the first downloaders.
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> The problem isn’t the inability of using Champion’s Bundle in Spartan OPs, that would have been tolerable, IF 343 WOULD HAVE TOLD US BEFORE HAND. This is false advertising, plain and simple. And false advertising is wrong and sometime fatal.
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> How is it fatal? Well, obviously in video games its not, but lets say you sold a cookie that had peanut butter in it, but didnt say it had peanut butter in it. Then someone who was allergic ate it. Yeah…
You have stolen my words, dude. =]
> …excuse me? I believe you are assuming, <mark>or you’re projecting so hard you could show off PowerPoint presentations.</mark>
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> I don’t recall it being said ANYWHERE about this working in all game modes. TBH I’m ashamed of something: knowing that so many people are miffed over their own assumptions and then raising an uproar that rivals the Egypt protests. Another thing that bothers me about all this:
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> WHY DOES EVERYONE CARE?!
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> You weren’t chinced, this wasn’t “false advertised”, in fact, it was never stated aside from what was included in the pack that it’d all work. Like I said before, this whole DLC Armor deal is almost completely experimental. Expecting this to work from Day 0 and accusing 343i of ripping you all off is pretty damn selfish.
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> Point? 343 will fix it, you all weren’t ripped off, and you should get angry over something more constructive that video game DLC that you paid money for on your own free will.
When you buy a car you assume you can drive it on any rode unless otherwise stated. And when you find that the wheels fall off on the highway that’s cause for concern. It’s not excusable that a pretty serious limitation (the content doesn’t work in half the game) is only given passing mention on a forum the night prior to release when a section of the general audience (those that play co-op) is left out in the cold when they get their pricey new recruit armor going in SOPS. I know this effects other people and that might be where you’re not quite understanding our feelings about this matter, but without a confirmed fix or any other word except that it’s a “known issue” we’re going to complain and we’re going to feel ripped off by improperly advertised content.
And leave the <mark>Zero Punctuation</mark> quips to where they’re actually applicable. Expecting DLC to work properly isn’t a projection of any kind. It’s a standard.
> > …excuse me? I believe you are assuming, <mark>or you’re projecting so hard you could show off PowerPoint presentations.</mark>
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> > I don’t recall it being said ANYWHERE about this working in all game modes. TBH I’m ashamed of something: knowing that so many people are miffed over their own assumptions and then raising an uproar that rivals the Egypt protests. Another thing that bothers me about all this:
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> > WHY DOES EVERYONE CARE?!
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> > You weren’t chinced, this wasn’t “false advertised”, in fact, it was never stated aside from what was included in the pack that it’d all work. Like I said before, this whole DLC Armor deal is almost completely experimental. Expecting this to work from Day 0 and accusing 343i of ripping you all off is pretty damn selfish.
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> > Point? 343 will fix it, you all weren’t ripped off, and you should get angry over something more constructive that video game DLC that you paid money for on your own free will.
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> When you buy a car you assume you can drive it on any rode unless otherwise stated. And when you find that the wheels fall off on the highway that’s cause for concern. It’s not excusable that a pretty serious limitation (the content doesn’t work in half the game) is only given passing mention on a forum the night prior to release when a section of the general audience (those that play co-op) is left out in the cold when they get their pricey new recruit armor going in SOPS. I know this effects other people and that might be where you’re not quite understanding our feelings about this matter, but without a confirmed fix or any other word except that it’s a “known issue” we’re going to complain and we’re going to feel ripped off by improperly advertised content.
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> And leave the <mark>Zero Punctuation</mark> quips to where they’re actually applicable. Expecting DLC to work properly isn’t a projection of any kind. It’s a standard.
You are right, my friend. If I had known that before, I wouldn’t have downloaded this DLC. Since I spend most of my time playing Spartan Ops, I can’t even stand playing Halo 4 anymore. I can’t tell you how frustrated I am. An answer from 343 or a patch announcement is all I want now.
> > Thank God I didnt buy it yet. Feel so sorry for the first downloaders.
> >
> > The problem isn’t the inability of using Champion’s Bundle in Spartan OPs, that would have been tolerable, IF 343 WOULD HAVE TOLD US BEFORE HAND. This is false advertising, plain and simple. And false advertising is wrong and sometime fatal.
> >
> > How is it fatal? Well, obviously in video games its not, but lets say you sold a cookie that had peanut butter in it, but didnt say it had peanut butter in it. Then someone who was allergic ate it. Yeah…
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> They (or at least BSangel) DID tell us before hand.
in one forum post, that people who play halo 4 who don’t go on the forums easily could have missed.
Nobody and I mean nobody could have said that better, props.
> > > > If there’s no mention of this issue in the Halo Bulletin, I’ll blow a gasket. And I don’t just want to hear the usual Q & A crap like <mark>“Can I wear the new armor in Spartan Ops?”/“Sorry, the Champions DLC content does not work in Spartan Ops.”</mark>
> > > >
> > > > I want an explanation, and more importantly, I want a solution to the problem.
> > >
> > > People in hell want ice water
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> > That’s different; the people in Hell don’t deserve ice water, why the hell do you think they’re in there in the first place?
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> > But we all paid for this DLC <mark>expecting the content would be available in every game mode</mark>, including Spartan Ops, and it’s not. Not to mention all the other bugs that came with this DLC and yesterday’s title update.
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> …excuse me? I believe you are assuming, or you’re projecting so hard you could show off PowerPoint presentations.
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> I don’t recall it being said ANYWHERE about this working in all game modes. TBH I’m ashamed of something: knowing that so many people are miffed over their own assumptions and then raising an uproar that rivals the Egypt protests. Another thing that bothers me about all this:
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> WHY DOES EVERYONE CARE?!
>
> You weren’t chinced, this wasn’t “false advertised”, in fact, it was never stated aside from what was included in the pack that it’d all work. Like I said before, this whole DLC Armor deal is almost completely experimental. Expecting this to work from Day 0 and accusing 343i of ripping you all off is pretty damn selfish.
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> Point? 343 will fix it, you all weren’t ripped off, and you should get angry over something more constructive that video game DLC that you paid money for on your own free will.
A reply from 343i would quell my nerd rage a bit, even if they stated that the weapons, armor, and abilities are not available in spartan ops. However, like most people here i find it a bit rude that they didn’t clearly state that it wasn’t going to work in those modes.
It should have been told, like many others have said before me, in the description of the DLC on the Xbox Live Marketplace.
As i am an abide Ops gamer, i like to see the few cut-scenes where my spartan is actually shown. (Reach was a big hit for me because of that feature.) It makes me feel like that is actually me in the armor instead of some generic npc who i’m playing as. It adds a level of customization that makes me feel connected to this particular world and as such i would like to see that all of the parts actually work together as advertised.
Now i know that some of you will complain and yell about the fact that i used the word “Advertised” in that last sentence saying that, “it didn’t say that it would work in Ops.” well that’s true. However, that same argument can be turned around with equal strength saying that it wasn’t posted saying that it wouldn’t work.
343i should, at the least own up to not telling their community about this little incident or at least inform that either they are doing something to fix the problem or explain to us why it cannot be so.
That’s really the only thing i’m really angry about.
Okay, so the dlc doesn’t work as well as I had assumed it would. I thought 343 would produce a quality add-on product that was universally compatible with the software systems they developed. Shame on me for thinking it would work 100%.
I’m not mad, even though I feel a little cheated out of the 800 MSP I paid for the bundle, I’m not going to whine (too much) about this. It’s cool to have the skins and armor at all, even if they aren’t universally compatible with the entire MP experience.
But I will say that I’m really not cool with finding this all out after having bought it. I missed the post saying there would be problems in OPS. There was no indication for me that it wouldn’t work until I tried OPS and saw my loadouts didn’t look how they should have when I spawned. And it was only after I went looking that I came across any information on the issue.
At any rate, what’s done is done. My points are in their pocket now, and it’s not refundable. I know that, and there’s no sense in getting my jeans in a jerk over it.
All I really want to know is this; Are they going to fix this sometime in the near future?
If not, I’ll know better in the future than to download similar packs when they cost money. But for now, I could really use some confirmation that they’re a little more than just ‘aware’ of it, and either actively working on resolving the issue or at very least, officially taking the “Too bad. Deal with it.” Stance on this problem.
That said, has anybody got any news (preferably of an official nature) stating anything in one direction or the other? What is 343 doing right now?
So when they say Matchmaking you all think Spartan Ops? I don’t agree that 343 are unprofessional or had false advertising. Nowhere in the Bulletins that talked about the Champions Bundle was there any indication that it would be included in Spartan Ops.
I understand that there is some disappointment, but quite honestly one should never assume. It is not 343’s fault that even after reading the bulletins you still thought it would be all inclusive in both campaign and Spartan Ops. I can see how there is a possibility to think that it might be included because of how the skins from the LE and preorders were, but I am of the opinion that there should have been more investigation on your part. I definitely would have if I was purchasing it solely for that.
> So when they say Matchmaking you all think Spartan Ops? I don’t agree that 343 are unprofessional or had false advertising. Nowhere in the Bulletins that talked about the Champions Bundle was there any indication that it would be included in Spartan Ops.
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> The Halo Bulletin 8.14.13
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> Halo Bulletin 7.10.13
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> I understand that there is some disappointment, but quite honestly one should never assume. It is not 343’s fault that even after reading the bulletins you still thought it would be all inclusive in both campaign and Spartan Ops. I can see how there is a possibility to think that it might be included because of how the skins from the LE and preorders were, but I am of the opinion that there should have been more investigation on your part. I definitely would have if I was purchasing it solely for that.
You drive a valid point, but there’s this one thing about Spartan Ops that makes what you say not really matter… It’s online only and has its own playlist in Online Matchmaking. Therefore making Spartan Ops a part of Multiplayer. The Champion DLC if it only works in 50% of the online experience isn’t fair and should have been noted by 343i earlier as a warning. Because they certianly had me thinking that I was going to be able to have some new fun in Spartan Ops. Now they never said it would be in Spartan Ops but they did say MP and SpOps is a part of mp and that’s just not fair to give false promises. I love the DLC but I really wish I could use it in SpOps so I get what I thought I paid for.
I also tweeted @Halowaypoint to see if there was an update coming to possibly fix this and all the other problems created by the Champions DLC and I have yet to be answered… As usual.
Granted, one should never assume. As I said before, shame on us all for assuming 343 would do something right the first time in making these skins and armors compatible with OPS. I, like many others, thought it was safe to do so, under the idea that if one is to release dlc for a multiplayer aspect of the game that it would be all inclusive in that regard.
But OPS is just one third of the game. The other two thirds being campaign and matchmaking/custom games, respectfully. Maybe we shouldn’t be surprised that it only works in one third of the total package. Campaign doesn’t allow us to use custom skins, after all. Just the same, we can’t play as Master Chief in the other two thirds of the overall game.
However wrong it may be for us to have assumed something so seemingly basic as character customization would be universally compatible between matchmaking and OPS, the fact still remains that this is a problem that needs to be resolved. (Or at least properly addressed beyond a single post in a forum most players will likely have missed.)
You need look no further than this very thread to see that a lot of people are already very upset about the fact that this issue even exists. So, it’s logical to assume (here we go again!) that 343 needs to do SOMETHING about it.
My question is, again, what are they going to do? Is this going to be solved in the next title update? Or is this a “Too bad, so sad!” situation where we’re just going to have to suck it up?
Does anyone know how they’re planning to address this?
> Granted, one should never assume. As I said before, shame on us all for assuming 343 would do something right the first time in making these skins and armors compatible with OPS. I, like many others, thought it was safe to do so, under the idea that if one is to release dlc for a multiplayer aspect of the game that it would be all inclusive in that regard.
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> But OPS is just one third of the game. The other two thirds being campaign and matchmaking/custom games, respectfully. Maybe we shouldn’t be surprised that it only works in one third of the total package. Campaign doesn’t allow us to use custom skins, after all. Just the same, we can’t play as Master Chief in the other two thirds of the overall game.
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> However wrong it may be for us to have assumed something so seemingly basic as character customization would be universally compatible between matchmaking and OPS, the fact still remains that this is a problem that needs to be resolved. (Or at least properly addressed beyond a single post in a forum most players will likely have missed.)
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> You need look no further than this very thread to see that a lot of people are already very upset about the fact that this issue even exists. So, it’s logical to assume (here we go again!) that 343 needs to do SOMETHING about it.
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> My question is, again, what are they going to do? Is this going to be solved in the next title update? Or is this a “Too bad, so sad!” situation where we’re just going to have to suck it up?
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> Does anyone know how they’re planning to address this?
This issue and several others are listed in the “Known Issues” portion of 343i’s blog entry on the Champions DLC. I assume that means they’re working on fixing it, along with the rest of the bugs.
I wonder… what are the chances they’ll have a fix ready in two weeks, when the Resistor armor mod and Ricochet gametype are released for everyone. Could they perhaps include the fix for this problem in the title update?
That actually doesn’t sound so unlikely. Hopefully they will have some sort of fix by then, or at least have said something about their intent to fix it, or lack thereof, assuming they take that route.
Whichever way, my fingers are crossed that they do the right thing and pay close attention to their community. Hopefully this will go as you say it might, and those inclined will be able to run OPS missions dressed as a forerunner prefect wielding mighty golden guns. 
I feel a little better knowing a title update is only two weeks away that MIGHT hold the solution to all this mess.
Thanks for that at least. 
Why does this not surprise me. 343 has been pulling the rug from under me since Reach. That’s why I didn’t buy this bundle. It would not matter that much since I <mark>CAN’T</mark> take cool screen shots in sops or campaign anyways.
> So I think Spartan Ops is the forgotten step child going forward.
Well, the “majority” opinion (or at least, the most seen opinion) of Spartan Ops on the forums was ‘WAAAAGH button pressing repetitive waste of space bring firefight back WAAAAGH’.
343i might just be cutting their losses and support for SpOps. Which would be a bad idea, in my opinion, but…
> **Quetzocoetl:**Given that we all had to install the SpOps map files onto our systems (and download the second half) it should be a simple matter of offering up replacement SpOps maps for download that have the new content built in. Delete the old files, replace them with new, Champions compatible, versions.
If they do this, they should also release a firefight mode/add the ability to activate skulls.
I’m still waiting on a Requiem Map Pack where the maps in Spartan Ops are released as multiplayer maps. (Because Apex would be awesome for BTB, and Refuge a good 5v5 CTF/Assault map, not to mention Forge…)
How very disappointing that the Bundle doesn’t work in Spartan Ops. Now, unfortunately, I’m on the fence about purchasing it. Glad I decided to check the forums before I did; I can, at least, make an informed decision, now.
I really hope they’ll patch the Bundle into Spartan Ops, though. I think it’s a missed opportunity to add replay value to this neglected mode.
> […]The issue really isn’t even that the armor doesn’t work. The issue is that the fact that the armor doesn’t work is a big selling point for a lot of people, and a lot of people are going to wake up tomorrow, download that armor, and become furious when they realize that it doesn’t work in SPARTAN Ops, and were never told otherwise. […]
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> The problem doesn’t lie in the fact that it doesn’t work in SPARTAN Ops. The problem is that nobody said it wouldn’t.[…]
Indeed. A valid point.
I think a warning is needed in some form. It’s really hard to know what, exactly, you’re buying, especially when it comes to digital products, when you don’t know all the details about a product. Obviously, it’s easy to find what’s included in the Bundle, but how we can use those items isn’t or easy to find (or something I thought I needed to know, in the first place). Being more transparent here would not only clear up some customer service questions/customer complaints, but would present a more positive image of 343i. It was kind of a shady move to not disclose that the Champion’s Bundle is unavailable in Spartan Ops. Personally, if I’d bought the Bundle before coming to the forums, I’d feel a little cheated.
While it was never explicitly stated that the Bundle would work in Spartan Ops, it was never stated that it wouldn’t work, either (with the exception of that forum post). Since Spartan Ops and War Games are both multiplayer modes that share your Spartan-IV, as well as your loadouts, one would have the tendency to assume (and it’s a fair assumption, in my opinion) that the Bundle would work for both modes. After all, isn’t the whole concept behind the Infinity mode that War Games is the training grounds for the Spartan [Ops] missions? That means the two multiplayer modes go hand in hand. There’s not really a logical reason why you would “train” with equipment that you can’t take into the field. I suppose one could say that we’re “testing” equipment in War Games for the field, but that seems like a cop out, in my opinion.
> > Granted, one should never assume. As I said before, shame on us all for assuming 343 would do something right the first time in making these skins and armors compatible with OPS. I, like many others, thought it was safe to do so, under the idea that if one is to release dlc for a multiplayer aspect of the game that it would be all inclusive in that regard.
> >
> > But OPS is just one third of the game. The other two thirds being campaign and matchmaking/custom games, respectfully. Maybe we shouldn’t be surprised that it only works in one third of the total package. Campaign doesn’t allow us to use custom skins, after all. Just the same, we can’t play as Master Chief in the other two thirds of the overall game.
> >
> > However wrong it may be for us to have assumed something so seemingly basic as character customization would be universally compatible between matchmaking and OPS, the fact still remains that this is a problem that needs to be resolved. (Or at least properly addressed beyond a single post in a forum most players will likely have missed.)
> >
> > You need look no further than this very thread to see that a lot of people are already very upset about the fact that this issue even exists. So, it’s logical to assume (here we go again!) that 343 needs to do SOMETHING about it.
> >
> > My question is, again, what are they going to do? Is this going to be solved in the next title update? Or is this a “Too bad, so sad!” situation where we’re just going to have to suck it up?
> >
> > Does anyone know how they’re planning to address this?
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> This issue and several others are listed in the “Known Issues” portion of 343i’s blog entry on the Champions DLC. I assume that means they’re working on fixing it, along with the rest of the bugs.
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> <mark>I wonder… what are the chances they’ll have a fix ready in two weeks, when the Resistor armor mod and Ricochet gametype are released for everyone. Could they perhaps include the fix for this problem in the title update?</mark>
I started wondering about this as well. However, since the Champions Bundle owners already have access to these items, I think everything has already been added in the last TU. They’ll probably just flip the switch to unlock these items for everyone in two weeks similar to how they add/change playlists and weapons tuning, etc.
That being said, it looks like some of the armor is bugged/glitched, and Ricochet probably has its own kinks to work out, so I guess it’s possible that we see some kind of update. Don’t know if they’d be able to get the armors up and running in Spartan Ops in that amount of time (or even if it’s feasible at this point), but maybe at a later date. Fingers crossed!
Also, I have a question, which is kind of related: will the skins included with the action figures work in Spartan Ops? Or will they function like the Bundle?
> > > Granted, one should never assume. As I said before, shame on us all for assuming 343 would do something right the first time in making these skins and armors compatible with OPS. I, like many others, thought it was safe to do so, under the idea that if one is to release dlc for a multiplayer aspect of the game that it would be all inclusive in that regard.
> > >
> > > But OPS is just one third of the game. The other two thirds being campaign and matchmaking/custom games, respectfully. Maybe we shouldn’t be surprised that it only works in one third of the total package. Campaign doesn’t allow us to use custom skins, after all. Just the same, we can’t play as Master Chief in the other two thirds of the overall game.
> > >
> > > However wrong it may be for us to have assumed something so seemingly basic as character customization would be universally compatible between matchmaking and OPS, the fact still remains that this is a problem that needs to be resolved. (Or at least properly addressed beyond a single post in a forum most players will likely have missed.)
> > >
> > > You need look no further than this very thread to see that a lot of people are already very upset about the fact that this issue even exists. So, it’s logical to assume (here we go again!) that 343 needs to do SOMETHING about it.
> > >
> > > My question is, again, what are they going to do? Is this going to be solved in the next title update? Or is this a “Too bad, so sad!” situation where we’re just going to have to suck it up?
> > >
> > > Does anyone know how they’re planning to address this?
> >
> > This issue and several others are listed in the “Known Issues” portion of 343i’s blog entry on the Champions DLC. I assume that means they’re working on fixing it, along with the rest of the bugs.
> >
> > <mark>I wonder… what are the chances they’ll have a fix ready in two weeks, when the Resistor armor mod and Ricochet gametype are released for everyone. Could they perhaps include the fix for this problem in the title update?</mark>
>
> I started wondering about this as well. However, since the Champions Bundle owners already have access to these items, I think everything has already been added in the last TU. They’ll probably just flip the switch to unlock these items for everyone in two weeks similar to how they add/change playlists and weapons tuning, etc.
>
> That being said, it looks like some of the armor is bugged/glitched, and Ricochet probably has its own kinks to work out, so I guess it’s possible that we see some kind of update. Don’t know if they’d be able to get the armors up and running in Spartan Ops in that amount of time (or even if it’s feasible at this point), but maybe at a later date. Fingers crossed!
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> Also, I have a question, which is kind of related: will the skins included with the action figures work in Spartan Ops? Or will they function like the Bundle?
The action figures don’t come out until October. It’s likely the problem will fixed by then, in which case the new skins should work in Spartan Ops.
> > This doesn’t bug me at all. If spartan ops had a proper connection, i would be more mad.
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> 99% of the time it is your own connection. I don’t play much Spartan Ops (really only 9 or 10 games online) but I’ve never had a problem with lag while playing.
> Don’t be so quick to thrown blame where it isn’t warranted.
Pretty sure it isn’t my connection. I barely have lag in matchmaking and spartan ops its only good playing as host.
I hope they don’t say “sorry we can’t do anything buy halo 5!” then give us a pat on the bottom and a double exp weekend… I want to use the dlc in all modes.