> I’m primarily a campaign/SPOPS person, and <mark>though I really hate to say it because it’s completely not what I want, I’m saying it now: 343i CAN NOT FIX IT 
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> <mark>All evidence points to it: the lack of SPOPS inclusion in TU; the complete absence of any support or news of a second season; their almost non-existence of any comment regarding the issues with SPOPS and the Champs Bundle, and most important of all to me: their complete lack of disclosure that Champs Bundle would be incompatible with SPOPS from the very begining. 343i absolutely knew way prior to release of Champs Bundle that it would not function with SPOPS, and <mark>they deliberately did not reveal it in order to sell more DLC, without any care of if they would disappoint their customers</mark>.
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Sigh, I hate being right sometimes. This is definetely one of them.</mark>
> Now i see why my friend’s said “343 Effed up halo 4” Despite its new cod aspect’s honestly 343 you can do better than treyarch or infinityward i mean really?
Well, at least I haven’t heard of anyone getting under the maps to get cheap kills like in CoD… Or is that trademarked by the CoD franchise? ;p
> Could 343i’s apparent refusal to update the file descriptions for Champions Bundle on Microsoft Marketplace be that they are worried about being sued by angry customers for knowingly misleading them?
I would say it’s doutful. The monetary damages from a lawsuit dealing with this small a content pack, and impacting only a small niche within the Halo 4 community, couldn’t be that high and I suspect that one of the TOU’s we agreed to waved the right to form class action lawsuits regarding XBL or XBL content. And the more damaging aspect to such a legal tiff, the PR, can’t be expected to do much since “343 fails to include wargames only disclaimer on DLC” makes a pretty poor headline in an industry when being misled (a bit) is more or less expected from any upcoming content or game.
No, creating angry customers in the first place is the most damaging aspect of this situation and validating our grievances by changing the marketplace description is the best thing they could do right now. There’s a very clear problem with the champions packs that we’re trying to bring to their attention and 343 can only loose out more if they continue to pretend that all is well. It may be a cliche to say so, but that’s just adding insult to injury.
> > Now i see why my friend’s said “343 Effed up halo 4” Despite its new cod aspect’s honestly 343 you can do better than treyarch or infinityward i mean really?
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> Well, at least I haven’t heard of anyone getting under the maps to get cheap kills like in CoD… Or is that trademarked by the CoD franchise? ;p
After a quick youtube search, yes
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NOOOOooooo !!
I just downloaded this crap without looking here first. I’m one of the few that plays more Spartan Ops than other gametypes.
What a waste of $3!! (only d/l’d weapon skins)
Big middle finger to 343 for not clearly disclosing this information in the first place.
> Could 343i’s apparent refusal to update the file descriptions for Champions Bundle on Microsoft Marketplace be that they are worried about being sued by angry customers for knowingly misleading them?
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> If they were to change the descriptions, they would be admitting that the previous description was misleading. The length of time from Bundle release to said description correction would raise questions.
It literally only just occurred to me to wonder if they even can change the description on already-released content. If 343i has to go through all the same channels and procedures any other developer would, then perhaps they don’t have the level of control needed to edit the text.
Not that I’m trying to make excuses for them. Just trying to consider all the angles – and I’m surprised I didn’t think of this one until now.
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I haven’t played Spartan Ops in months, but damn is it lame that new content isn’t accessible in that mode.
I also find it hilarious that the reason for why is “Spartan Ops is such a big sandbox that we can’t do what we want with it.” Does anyone at 343i know what a sandbox actually means in video games?
> I haven’t played Spartan Ops in months, but damn is it lame that new content isn’t accessible in that mode.
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> I also find it hilarious that the reason for why is “Spartan Ops is such a big sandbox that we can’t do what we want with it.” Does anyone at 343i know what a sandbox actually means in video games?
Yah, I have to agree that the things 343i say about limitations is suspect - more likely they don’t want to spend the money to fix their problems.
And still no mention of anything in the bulletin this week bulletin on this issue. I guess it isn’t an issue for 343i - they have your money, where is the problem?
Let bygones be bygones.
343 disappointment.
> It’s not like Spartan Ops is so difficult that the new perks are actually necessary. <mark>And if you’re throwing a fit over the fact that simple cosmetics aren’t exactly the way you like in SpOps, you have a lot more important things you could be wasting your time complaining about…</mark>
Or maybe we’re annoyed about how solo/co-op always gets pushed to the side in favour of multiplayer, seriously, since Halo CE to 3, the only thing we’ve had is Campaign, then in ODST we got Firefight, which was fun but playing on the same maps gets boring, then in Reach we only got two DLC maps while multiplayer got eleven, with SpOps it felt the same as Firefight, and ever since that last episode came out, we’ve been ignored, completely, it isn’t fair at all
Is it any worse than people complaining that some jumps are taken out on Pitfall?
> It’s not like Spartan Ops is so difficult that the new perks are actually necessary. And if you’re throwing a fit over the fact that simple cosmetics aren’t exactly the way you like in SpOps, you have a lot more important things you could be wasting your time complaining about…
Actually I don’t but thanks for making assumptions. The point is they mislead consumers sorry you don’t care
I’m hoping they’ll fix it before Season 2.
> It’s not like Spartan Ops is so difficult that the new perks are actually necessary.
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> And if you’re throwing a fit over the fact that simple cosmetics aren’t exactly the way you like in SpOps, you have a lot more important things you could be wasting your time complaining about…
Obviously the vehicle exit perk is practically unneeded. But the long wait for the shield recharge to startup is frustrating. When doing Solo Legendary and I’m backed up into a corner by a dozen Elites, I can’t get past that unless I adhere to Active Camo and a plasma pistol, which is a very tedious playstyle. With less waiting for a shield recharge, I can start using the AAs I actually like.
SpartanT110 is correct.
> It’s not like Spartan Ops is so difficult that the new perks are actually necessary. <mark>And if you’re throwing a fit over the fact that simple cosmetics aren’t exactly the way you like in SpOps, you have a lot more important things you could be wasting your time complaining about…</mark>
That is blatantly false.
While there are more pressing issues like Custom Games and broken Forge, the notion of dropping into battle as an ODST was butchered when I found out that I couldn’t use my new armor in Spartan Ops.
My friends and I were going to complete all of Spartan Ops on Legendary as ODSTs, but we were quite disappointed when all four of us were wearing the Recruit Helmet. I was getting ready to slaughter thousands of Crawlers with my Steampunk Magnum, but I soon found out that I was stuck with the default one. An attempt to simulate Blue Team fighting hordes of Covenant was shattered when we found out that the Mark V helmet didn’t show up.
It’s completely wrong to say that “cosmetic features are pointless and unnecessary,” because there are MILLIONS who enjoy that feature and freedom.
> Is it any worse than people complaining that some jumps are taken out on Pitfall?
Thaaaaaank yoooooou.
> My friends and I were going to complete all of Spartan Ops on Legendary as ODSTs, but we were quite disappointed when all four of us were wearing the Recruit Helmet. I was getting ready to slaughter thousands of Crawlers with my Steampunk Magnum, but I soon found out that I was stuck with the default one. An attempt to simulate Blue Team fighting hordes of Covenant was shattered when we found out that the Mark V helmet didn’t show up.
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> <mark>It’s completely wrong to say that “cosmetic features are pointless and unnecessary,” because there are MILLIONS who enjoy that feature and freedom.</mark>
Exactly right. Role playing is one of the largest gamer demographics (WoW and The Elder Scrolls… 'Nuff said), and EVERY successful RPG has excessive cosmetic options that are irrelevant to gameplay, but allow the player to create a unique avatar for intense immersion and replay value. Two wildly successful shooters had extensive cosmetics; CoD Black Ops and TC’s Rainbow Six: Vegas 2. Vegas 2 actually let you use the XBL vision camera to put your head on the soldier’s body for ALL GAME MODES. I bet he’d change his tune if he could only use Recruit armor in multiplayer. Hypocrites will be hypocrites.
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I am fully aware Halo is not an RPG. However, Halo has taken the CoD route, which has Xp leveling, unlocks, and customization for both appearance and load outs. These features are telltale core aspects of RPGs, so expect RPG players to get fussy when said features don’t work. Most gamers aren’t constrained to one genre. Therefore, combining genres is a natural course in game development, and if the devs combine these aspects, they must make sure all aspects function properly. 343i failed in that regard.
> It’s not like Spartan Ops is so difficult that the new perks are actually necessary. And if you’re throwing a fit over the fact that simple cosmetics aren’t exactly the way you like in SpOps, you have a lot more important things you could be wasting your time complaining about…
I paid $10 to get my armor (and the extras of course because I want those armor abilities). Are you implying that I should not get the intended function out of my purchase?
> > Oops, Double Post - sorry
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Oh ok. Thanks for the tip. Do I just send a PM to any moderator, and tell them the post that I wish to have removed, or is there another procedure?
Incidentally I would like the double-post removed (post 3 on page 25).
> I’m hoping they’ll fix it before Season 2.
As far as we know, there won’t be a Season 2 in Halo 4 (though I hope I’m wrong about that); 343i keeps saying they have “no current plans” for a Season 2 of Spartan Ops.
Also, they already said they can’t fix this problem because of memory usage or something…
BTW, I have a theory; would it be possible that 343i could get SOME of the new content to work in Spartan Ops? Like just Weapon Skins and the bonus Armor Skins, or something…? I was thinking, perhaps they use less memory than the four brand-new armor sets and three armor mods…?
If they could do that, it would be better than nothing…
> > I’m hoping they’ll fix it before Season 2.
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> As far as we know, there won’t be a Season 2 in Halo 4 (though I hope I’m wrong about that); 343i keeps saying they have “no current plans” for a Season 2 of Spartan Ops.
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> Also, they already said they can’t fix this problem because of memory usage or something…
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> BTW, I have a theory; would it be possible that 343i could get SOME of the new content to work in Spartan Ops? Like just Weapon Skins and the bonus Armor Skins, or something…? I was thinking, perhaps they use less memory than the four brand-new armor sets and three armor mods…?
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> If they could do that, it would be better than nothing…
If they could, that’d be great the LR skin is beautiful looking, if they can/will do it is another question 
I’m hoping that if they have Spartan Ops in Halo Xbox One, they’ll pay as much attention to the solo/co-op players
> Obviously the vehicle exit perk is practically unneeded. But the long wait for the shield recharge to startup is frustrating. When doing Solo Legendary and I’m backed up into a corner by a dozen Elites, I can’t get past that unless I adhere to Active Camo and a plasma pistol, which is a very tedious playstyle. With less waiting for a shield recharge, I can start using the AAs I actually like.
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> SpartanT110 is correct.
Agreed the new Shield perk would help situations like that very much, but might I suggest you try the Regen AA along with AA efficency?
On Legendary-solo that combo has saved my hide many times. The trick is stepping out of the Regen bubble: shields recharge faster if you enter and then exit the Regen field, as opposed to remaining inside till you’re back to full strength.
I know it’s not exactly the ideal fix to this problem, but I thought it might be a suitable substitution.
I usually deploy the Regen field behind good cover, and then fight just outside the field’s edge. This way I can quickly step into the field and back out again to allow the shield a faster recharge, so I can get back into action quickly.
Unless a miracle occurs where 343i figures how to implement Champs Bundle items into SpOps, this seems to be as good as it will get.
Good hunting.
PS: with AA efficency, the Regen field can be deployed aprox 15secs after an active Regen field runs out.