"Champions DLC doesn't work in Spartan Ops?"

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> 343 should have noticed early in the development of the Champions Bundle that it would not work with Spartan Ops. At the least, that detail should of come to light during Beta Testing. So why wait until the day before the release to post a disclaimer on a Forum page? Why not post “War Games Only” with the file descriptions on Microsoft Marketplace?

People keep asking this question. We have yet to receive an answer.

The only explanation would be that they planned to patch the DLC post-release. Except BS Angel told us they have no plans to do so.

The result? I’m confused and royally pissed off to boot.

The way I see it there are two possibilities:

1. BS Angel has been misinformed and 343i is actually working on a patch as we speak (wishful thinking, perhaps).
2. 343i did not thoroughly test the Champions DLC prior to release and has yet to investigate the issue.

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I was one of the first to complain about this issue. And what have they done in return? They’ve banned me. I am tired of this topic already. I share your feelings, but I do not hope that they will fix or care about this anymore. They don’t even care about giving an explanation. And just when I was starting to play Halo again. This was a huge killjoy for me. And I am not sure if I am going to buy their products ever again. The only thing left for us is warning other players to not buy this DLC. Post on facebook, tell your friends, do everything you can.

Bungie would have never let this happen. And if they had, they would have tried to give us an explanation or fix the problem as soon as possible.

P.S: Thinking about going to Destiny and never come back.

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> > Man I would shout with joy if they indeed fix this !
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> I would shout for joy if they bothered to even give us the time of day.
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> If they aren’t going to fix their dlc, I expect some answers as to why not. I think at least a few people feel the same way, and I don’t feel that’s too large a request.
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> They’ve been so tight-lipped about it all, I doubt any of us will even get that.
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> It doesn’t matter. I’m not spending another red cent on anything they produce, regardless of whether or not they fix this. I may pick up Halo 4 again if they do, but they’ve lost me as a continued customer. I’ve purchased every game right since the first, and alot of the dlc as well. It’s people like me that kept Bungie in business, and made it possible for there to even BE a Halo franchise for 343 to milk.
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> They may not notice that I’m gone, but I know quite a few people like me who feel the same way. And when enough of the old guard disappears, and the regulars who buy the games year after year along with the dlc and the books and figures and other merchandise get fed up with their sub-par base effort and decide to pack it in, and all they have left are the casuals who possess only a marginal interest in the current installment, they’ll wish they had been more attentive on their way to the bread-line.

I’m doing the same thing.

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waves goodbye

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> Bungie would have never let this happen. And if they had, they would have tried to give us an explanation or <mark>fix the problem as soon as possible.</mark>

And what’s to say 343 aren’t doing this?

And I highly doubt Bungie would do anything, they didn’t seem to care about the co-op/solo side of the community

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> And what’s to say 343 aren’t doing this?
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> And I highly doubt Bungie would do anything, <mark>they didn’t seem to care about the co-op/solo side of the community</mark>

Seriously? Halo 3:ODST was nothing but single-player and co-op. Personally, I think Halo:Reach (Bungie’s last Halo game) had the best single-player and co-op experience of the entire series; being able to play as your own Spartan in the Campaign, epic missions in the Falcon and Sabre, not to mention the highly customizable Firefight 2.0…

As for 343i fixing the problem… BS Angel already said they had “no plans” to do so, but we don’t know if anything’s changed since then… and it’s been about a week since the DLC launched. I’m not giving up hope just yet.

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> > And what’s to say 343 aren’t doing this?
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> > And I highly doubt Bungie would do anything, <mark>they didn’t seem to care about the co-op/solo side of the community</mark>
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> <mark>Seriously? Halo 3:ODST was nothing but single-player and co-op.</mark> Personally, <mark>I think Halo:Reach (Bungie’s last Halo game) had the best single-player and co-op experience of the entire series</mark>; <mark>being able to play as your own Spartan in the Campaign</mark>, <mark>epic missions in the Falcon and Sabre</mark>, <mark>not to mention the highly customizable Firefight 2.0…</mark>
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> As for 343i fixing the problem… <mark>BS Angel already said they had “no plans” to do so</mark>, but we don’t know if anything’s changed since then… and it’s been about a week since the DLC launched. I’m not giving up hope just yet.

That’s true, but it was a spinoff, I argue the same thing for Halo Wars

I think ODST had a much better Firefight than Reach, the campaign was lengthy which was cool

You can do that in SpOps

Which feels rather limited

Not to mention the fact that we only got two firefight maps from DLC, which Bungie didn’t even make

The same thing was said for CEA

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> > > And what’s to say 343 aren’t doing this?
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> > > And I highly doubt Bungie would do anything, <mark>they didn’t seem to care about the co-op/solo side of the community</mark>
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> > <mark>Seriously? Halo 3:ODST was nothing but single-player and co-op.</mark> Personally, <mark>I think Halo:Reach (Bungie’s last Halo game) had the best single-player and co-op experience of the entire series</mark>; <mark>being able to play as your own Spartan in the Campaign</mark>, <mark>epic missions in the Falcon and Sabre</mark>, <mark>not to mention the highly customizable Firefight 2.0…</mark>
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> > As for 343i fixing the problem… <mark>BS Angel already said they had “no plans” to do so</mark>, but we don’t know if anything’s changed since then… and it’s been about a week since the DLC launched. I’m not giving up hope just yet.
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> That’s true, but it was a spinoff, I argue the same thing for Halo Wars
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> I think ODST had a much better Firefight than Reach, the campaign was lengthy which was cool
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> You can do that in SpOps
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> Which feels rather limited
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> Not to mention the fact that we only got two firefight maps from DLC, which Bungie didn’t even make
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> <mark>The same thing was said for CEA</mark>

Right… you said 343i originally said they had no plans to make Halo:CEA, I think I remember hearing this myself… when did they say that, again? Anybody got a link?

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> > > > And what’s to say 343 aren’t doing this?
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> > > > And I highly doubt Bungie would do anything, <mark>they didn’t seem to care about the co-op/solo side of the community</mark>
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> > > <mark>Seriously? Halo 3:ODST was nothing but single-player and co-op.</mark> Personally, <mark>I think Halo:Reach (Bungie’s last Halo game) had the best single-player and co-op experience of the entire series</mark>; <mark>being able to play as your own Spartan in the Campaign</mark>, <mark>epic missions in the Falcon and Sabre</mark>, <mark>not to mention the highly customizable Firefight 2.0…</mark>
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> > > As for 343i fixing the problem… <mark>BS Angel already said they had “no plans” to do so</mark>, but we don’t know if anything’s changed since then… and it’s been about a week since the DLC launched. I’m not giving up hope just yet.
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> > That’s true, but it was a spinoff, I argue the same thing for Halo Wars
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> > I think ODST had a much better Firefight than Reach, the campaign was lengthy which was cool
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> > You can do that in SpOps
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> > Which feels rather limited
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> > Not to mention the fact that we only got two firefight maps from DLC, which Bungie didn’t even make
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> > <mark>The same thing was said for CEA</mark>
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> Right… you said 343i originally said they had no plans to make Halo:CEA, I think I remember hearing this myself… when did they say that, again? Anybody got a link?

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Wow they banned you because you spoke up? Thats pretty cruddy. I mean come one if our voices(er texts) are not speaking up then what do they expect? Im just waiting for the day a tu or something shows up soon.

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> Wow they banned you because you spoke up? Thats pretty cruddy. I mean come one if our voices(er texts) are not speaking up then what do they expect? Im just waiting for the day a tu or something shows up soon.

I checked out his thread; it was actually locked because he suggested starting a petition, and petitions (for some reason) aren’t allowed on Halo Waypoint.

At least this thread is still alive; you don’t need to start a petition, just keep the heat on and 343i will eventually respond.

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> Seriously? Halo 3:ODST was nothing but single-player and co-op. Personally, I think Halo:Reach (Bungie’s last Halo game) had the best single-player and co-op experience of the entire series; being able to play as your own Spartan in the Campaign, epic missions in the Falcon and Sabre, not to mention the highly customizable Firefight 2.0…

But you’re missing something big here, maintaining co-op isn’t the same as supporting it. With support it’s an active process. You’re trying to improve the basic experience according to the standards of those you’re trying to improve the mode for (ie. people who primarily like co-op, whose baseline for this franchise is ultimately set by CE.)

Did that happen in ODST? No, the campaign was more or less an environment artist’s tech demo for the type of game they’re building now in Destiny (ie. an MMO) with some nice touches thrown in by the cinematics team. Gameplay wasn’t improved. In fact combat was reduced in terms of scale without any form of compensation in other areas. And firefight was a pretty blatant attempt to make co-op more appealing to multiplayer fans by placing the score in a more prominent position, by making gameplay a lot more repetitive, and by reducing the combat space to the point where it’s equivalent to what you’d see in multiplayer.

While in a technical sense you can say “hey, they made more campaign/co-op!” that ignores how little Bungie recognized and addressed the needs of co-op gamers throughout the franchise (save for adding 4 player co-op) compared to what they did for the multiplayer community between any two games, which carries over precisely to 343’s relationship with co-op now. What we have in SOPS is a great big hunk of “more of the same” that simply strives for some technical accomplishment (similar to what ODST’S hub structure strove for) of having episodic content while doing nothing practical to make cooperative gameplay better. Even DLC support is still beyond it’s reach because there’s simply that much apathy towards the Co-op demographic.

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ELECTRONIC CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS.

> 238.0 Bait advertising defined. 1
> 1 For the purpose of this part “advertising” includes any form of public notice however disseminated or utilized.

> Bait advertising is an alluring but insincere offer to sell a product or service which the advertiser in truth does not intend or want to sell. Its purpose is to switch consumers from buying the advertised merchandise, in order to sell something else, usually at a higher price or on a basis more advantageous to the advertiser. The primary aim of a bait advertisement is to obtain leads as to persons interested in buying merchandise of the type so advertised.

> 238.1 Bait advertisement.
> No advertisement containing an offer to sell a product should be published when the offer is not a bona fide effort to sell the advertised product.

This one REALLY applies to this subject:

> 238.2 Initial offer.
> (a) No statement or illustration should be used in any advertisement which creates a false impression of the grade, quality, make, value, currency of model, size, color, usability, or origin of the product offered, or which may otherwise misrepresent the product in such a manner that later, on disclosure of the true facts, the purchaser may be switched from the advertised product to another.
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> (b) Even though the true facts are subsequently made known to the buyer, the law is violated if the first contact or interview is secured by deception.

Perhaps 343i needs a chat with their lawyers…

Edit:
Just to be clear, “bait advertising” is illegal.

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Thats some interesting reading. Hope they actually address this in the weekly news tonite

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343 get your act together you’ve been f&*king halo in the a^s since you got ahold of the rights last bungie day, now you finally start doing something right and I mean that sincerely, then you go and say “what’s that you want new armor? Okay here you go. What’s that? it won’t work in Spartan ops? Well, you paid for it, so you don’t get to use it everywhere since we made it.” 343, at times like this I wish EA Games (voted worst company of the year 2 years in a row) had the rights to Halo instead of you.

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> Wow they banned you because you spoke up? Thats pretty cruddy. I mean come one if our voices(er texts) are not speaking up then what do they expect? Im just waiting for the day a tu or something shows up soon.

No, they banned him because he broke the rules.

Running around screaming “FALSE ADVERTISING!”; calling people who disagree Yoinkholes and what not.

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Please do not bypass the word filter. I’d edit before a Mod comes.

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> > Wow they banned you because you spoke up? Thats pretty cruddy. I mean come one if our voices(er texts) are not speaking up then what do they expect? Im just waiting for the day a tu or something shows up soon.
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> No, they banned him because he broke the rules.
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> Running around screaming “FALSE ADVERTISING!”; calling people who disagree Yoinkholes and what not.

343 did have false advertising.

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> > No, they banned him because he broke the rules.
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> > Running around screaming “FALSE ADVERTISING!”; calling people who disagree Yoinkholes and what not.
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> 1- I was offended first since they told that “I couldn’t read”.
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> 2- I STILL CONSIDER THIS DLC FALSE ADVERTISING.

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> What if they simply can’t fix it ? I mean , don’t you think they knew it wasn’t going to work ? There’s no way they didn’t know what they weren’t working on , within the Champions Bundle …

I’m primarily a campaign/SPOPS person, and though I really hate to say it because it’s completely not what I want, I’m saying it now: 343i CAN NOT FIX IT :frowning: !!!

All evidence points to it: the lack of SPOPS inclusion in TU; the complete absence of any support or news of a second season; their almost non-existence of any comment regarding the issues with SPOPS and the Champs Bundle, and most important of all to me: their complete lack of disclosure that Champs Bundle would be incompatible with SPOPS from the very begining. 343i absolutely knew way prior to release of Champs Bundle that it would not function with SPOPS, and they deliberately did not reveal it in order to sell more DLC, without any care of if they would disappoint their customers.

From the very first word of H4 I completely supported 343i. I truly beleived in their ability to deliver the same quality product and show the same care and sense of stewardship to nurture and ensure the continuing legacy of the Halo series. But this last yr has show me a lot, and I now see 343i as nothing more than an extension of the -Yoink!- corporate model, which IMO leaves much to be desired.

I now have no more faith in the future of this series as a whole. I’m sure the next installments of Halo will be good games and sell millions of copies, but I think the best of Halo is in the past. I can’t even confidently believe Halo will return to the heights of its past, let alone exceed them.

Unlike Bungie before it moved on from Halo, I don’t believe 343i has the desire and passion for the series beyond what they can profit over. And yes its every companies’ goal to make profit, but there’s also an ethics and pride of work I don’t feel 343i has, just like -Yoink!-.

The future IMO is to sells units by any means required that doesn’t endanger future profit potential beyond a certain point. 343i doesn’t care about their fan base, they care about numbers whether it be new or old players. They don’t care about Halo for the fans if they can sell to one and pull in another even at the loss of the original fan.

So I to spare yourselves the continued aggrivation and false hope of will these issues be remedied, I sugggest to you to accept they will not, and take Halo as it is for what it is or move on. The other option is to delude yourself and continue to be disappointed, which is your right to do, but I’d rather take a clean shot to the head then five in the chest and bleed out slowly.

I pray I am never more wrong, and plead to 343i to prove me wrong, but I also expect that plea to go unheard, however, if 343i does prove me wrong I will be the first to admit it and praise them in their efforts.

I still will quietly hope for the best for the future of Halo, but I’m now fully prepared for the worst.