Failed attempts at capturing a broader audience.
A fan of the tv show is significantly less likely to want to buy it.
Buy what? Its a free game. And before you say an Xbox, they probably are already interested in the franchise, or have a mean to get an Xbox. As for the fan of the TV show being less likely to buy the cookbook, A) that wasn’t my point and B) why not? The show wasn’t great, but it still attracted some people. Someone who knows I like Halo told me about, but they don’t even play Halo. It definitely got attention. As for my actual point, the people who will come for a BR and TV show are new. Having a lower rating expands the range of people who will come to Halo (well, it might just be for the BR unless they just were looking for more things to do at night). Having a censored chat also makes it more inviting, you don’t feel like you’re being dropped into a hostile environment.
The cookbook.
20 characters
Yup, now we’re getting that lack of civility I got at before. I’d do the same thing back if we were on any other media
Sheesh, so uncompromising.
I’ve been reasonably civil, and definitely have not done anything to you that is “uncivil”. Having actual evidence for my argument (it’s difficult to create effective chat filters for numbers) is not uncivil, it’s just you not having evidence for your claim.
What is there to compromise? The game is literally targeted to children. There’s no compromise to be had in this context
Ive counteracted your points, all youre doing is creating a false narrative and trying to demean me.
The evidence you used, had nothing to do with what we were even talking about.
The people they originally marketed this game to played old halos, so this is far from truth. Even if they were just barely able to play the game then, they’re old enough to drive now, which is way more dangerous than reading a few words off a screen.
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I presented a reason for why numbers are censored in general.
You claimed it would be easy to code for each individual case needing to be filtered, and that YT, Twitch, and Twitter all do this already.
I claimed that you’re incorrect and presented hate raids and how they function as counter evidence. I also claimed that it’s not a small issue seeing as how the group that organized to bring attention to it is decentralized and made up of a non-union worker population. Groups of those categories historically have never organized unless an issue was having a large impact.
You claimed YT, Twitch, and Twitter are already using specific number filter cases being coded in as support for your claim that specific cases are easy to code for. (Their specific case coding being an effective strategy was already disproven by the hate raid evidence)
To reach a Teen ESRB rating, design principles and game features had to be selected years ago. 343 fully intended this game to be advertised to children aged 13+. 343 has never had a peice of marketing material for Infinite that was being aimed at mature adults. No commercial or gameplay featured mature themes or visuals in the context of blood, gore, dismemberment, language, or sexual material.
Infinite is made to be accessible to kids. It’s ads are made to be accessible to kids. There is almost no mature content in Infinite outside of guns, and it has the most toned down gun violence visualization of any major shooter on the market besides Fortnite.
Halo Infinite is not intended for a mature audience, and it’s chat and communication filters should represent that
I’m surprised to see this debate still going on. The game is rated T for teen. I’m not going to fault a developer for trying too keep their games environment in line with their games rating.
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This doesn’t disprove.
I counteracted your points in that conversation.
I said it’s easy to do and the people just did it incorrectly as the filters are things you have to set yourself
Pretty much all ads have to, if they want to air.
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What about my other points?
The entire conversation has been in the context of platform level filters, not user level filters. The conversation is not “Should users be able to filter”, it’s “How aggressive should the platform level filter be?” User level filters have nothing to do with anything being discussed as they’re already available via parental content and communication controls. I think the platform level chat filter should be relatively aggressive, because the game is made with kids in the target audience.
You didn’t counter anything regarding YT, Twitch, and Twitter. Saying they’re a case for effective filtering doesn’t hold up because of constant events that still go on right now. Twitch, YT, and Twitter themselves openly say they’re not doing a good enough job filtering inappropriate chat from their platforms.
You claimed Infinite is advertised to mature adults. I pointed out there’s not a single peice of Infinite marketing being made that isn’t targeted at 13+. You claim Infinite is advertised to mature adults, can you please provide any ad for Halo Infinite that is aimed at nature adults and also not aimed at kids 13+? –
Paragraphs would be your friend, I assumed that they were all based off your speculation of me talking about halo being whats sold, not the cookbook
That’s not too big of a paragraph. In fact, most english teachers would probably consider that to be a good sized paragraph. But, if you don’t want to read it (since it is a bit long) I’ll rewrite it with paragraphs:
Buy what? Its a free game. And before you say an Xbox, they probably are already interested in the franchise, or have a mean to get an Xbox. As for the fan of the TV show being less likely to buy the cookbook, A) that wasn’t my point and B) why not? The show wasn’t great, but it still attracted some people. Someone who knows I like Halo told me about, but they don’t even play Halo. It definitely got attention.
As for my actual point, the people who will come for a BR and TV show are new. Having a lower rating expands the range of people who will come to Halo (well, it might just be for the BR unless they just were looking for more things to do at night). Having a censored chat also makes it more inviting, you don’t feel like you’re being dropped into a hostile environment.
TL;DR Most people who watched the TV show have an Xbox, but not a large interest in Halo. Having a T rating for Halo will expand the amount of people who can play the game.
Other points?!
This is the internet. It’s all about cherry picking the words to fit your argument. What are you on about?
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I never argued that it wasnt being marketed to kids at all, stop putting words in my mouth.
My point is if they are gonna market to both, they better be ready to cater to both, even destiny does this better.
I wouldnt believe anything those companies say as its been very clear their goals have been to silence whoever they disagree with.
The constant events happen out of user error and the streamers themselves (and their mod teams) not putting enough time in to refine their filtering tools theyve been given that are adequate.
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I just would like to know exactly which points are relevant to which points.
The cookbook.
Ok
I was gonna say the cookbook.
Thats my point, no real cook is gonna really care about the cookbook just because a giant IP slapped its name on it.
Unsure what you’re asking.
If its why they wont buy the cookbook its probably because they arent fans of the series really.
And new players arent loyal.
If they liked the show, they’ll be sorely disappointed its not a sci fi drama when they play MCC, or even infinite.
Are there any other points you’d like me to adress while we’re here?
You still misunderstood me.
But, if the TV show pushed them to the game, they will likely like the game.
Have you seen Fortnite?
The only reason why fortnite retains any relevance now is because Epic games throws money around to buy rights to use characters from other series. (That and so many old time players have spent so much money so theyre afraid to move away)
You can’t replicate fortnite as of right now because there will be only one successful multiverse thing in a blanket of genres, similar to how nothing quite touches the popularity of VR Chat for what its good at, or Roblox, or Gmod.
That’s definitely not a guarantee, the show poorly represents halo outside of combat, and had like 3 episodes straight with no combat.
That may be true in some contexts. In the context of communication, which falls under the category of safety, they will cater to the lowest common denominator, in this case 13 year olds.
And also your premise isn’t even true. PG-13 movies don’t have F-bombs, gratuitous gore, or intense DeX scenes because those things would raise the rating past PG-13. It’s the same context with T rated games. The content is going to be at a level that doesn’t go all the way to “Mature”.
The bolded text is emphatically and unequivocally incorrect, false, and wrong. It’s literally victim blaming. A game streamer is having a good time with their audience, and a hate raid randomly shows up out of nowhere, and you have the AUDACITY to say that is the streamers fault!?? That’s ridiculous on so many levels that it’s hard to actually articulate it.
Speaks volumes about WHOS pockets they want to suck money from.
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