In Terminal 2, we are treated to 343 Guilty Spark preparing himself for his new life - his monitoring duties over Installation 04. When this Terminal begins, we see all 7 Halo Installations stationed next to the Ark.
But in Halo 3, Spark states his ignorance of what the Ark is. He assumed it was part of a Shield Installation, yet 100,000 years ago he was right there in plain sight of it… Is there something I’m missing here? Is there some astoundingly simple explanation that has washed over my head? Obviously he’s not just going to drift by and say “oh look, it’s the Ark”, but he must have at least some fleeting suspicion of what it is?
Wasn’t his information eventually be compartmentalized?
> Wasn’t his information eventually be compartmentalized?
Hmm. I was under the impression that compartmentalization meant that he never knew about the Ark in the first place, though it could be possible.
> > Wasn’t his information eventually be compartmentalized?
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> Hmm. I was under the impression that compartmentalization meant that he never knew about the Ark in the first place, though it could be possible.
This was the impression I was under too, but I guess that what Cobra says makes sense given that Chakas knew about a lot of things which Spark didn’t (Greater Ark, Librarian’s fate etc).
Probably wiped some of his memory eventually.
didn’t guilty spark in halo primordium state that he had be cloned to expand his life span to stop/slow himself going rampent, if so maybe during the cloneings he got curroupt data and had to delete it or was lost due to time?
> > > Wasn’t his information eventually be compartmentalized?
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> > Hmm. I was under the impression that compartmentalization meant that he never knew about the Ark in the first place, though it could be possible.
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> This was the impression I was under too, but I guess that what Cobra says makes sense given that Chakas knew about a lot of things which Spark didn’t (Greater Ark, Librarian’s fate etc).
At the end of Halo 2, Spark tells Johnson, Miranda, and the Arbiter that the Ark is where all the Installations can be activated.
> didn’t guilty spark in halo primordium state that he had be cloned to expand his life span to stop/slow himself going rampent, if so maybe during the cloneings he got curroupt data and had to delete it or was lost due to time?
To start, the monitor in Primordium is not Guilty Spark, it’s Chakas. Chakas was used as a basis for Spark, but Spark is ultimately just a fragment of Chakas.
Also, I don’t recall any line like the one you are referring to.
> > > > Wasn’t his information eventually be compartmentalized?
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> > > Hmm. I was under the impression that compartmentalization meant that he never knew about the Ark in the first place, though it could be possible.
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> > This was the impression I was under too, but I guess that what Cobra says makes sense given that Chakas knew about a lot of things which Spark didn’t (Greater Ark, Librarian’s fate etc).
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> At the end of Halo 2, Spark tells Johnson, Miranda, and the Arbiter that the Ark is where all the Installations can be activated.
True, but beyond that he evidently doesn’t know an awful lot about it. He’s asked by Thel where the Ark is, this leads everyone to return to Earth and open the Excession portal. But if Spark knows where it is and has been there before (or at least has drifted by it while it’s in plain sight), then why would he make the error of presuming it was part of a Shield Installation?
@ ajw34307
perhaps he knew what the ark did, and how to access it but was never informed of what it looked like or where.
Just a theory 
> > > > > Wasn’t his information eventually be compartmentalized?
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> > > > Hmm. I was under the impression that compartmentalization meant that he never knew about the Ark in the first place, though it could be possible.
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> > > This was the impression I was under too, but I guess that what Cobra says makes sense given that Chakas knew about a lot of things which Spark didn’t (Greater Ark, Librarian’s fate etc).
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> > At the end of Halo 2, Spark tells Johnson, Miranda, and the Arbiter that the Ark is where all the Installations can be activated.
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> True, but beyond that he evidently doesn’t know an awful lot about it. He’s asked by Thel where the Ark is, this leads everyone to return to Earth and open the Excession portal. But if Spark knows where it is and has been there before (or at least has drifted by it while it’s in plain sight), then why would he make the error of presuming it was part of a Shield Installation?
And what would being at the ark have shown him about it’s workings? He would have known it existed and that it was located far outside the Galaxy, nothing more. He knew it was a place from which all the Halos could be activated, but not much beyond that.
> > didn’t guilty spark in halo primordium state that he had be cloned to expand his life span to stop/slow himself going rampent, if so maybe during the cloneings he got curroupt data and had to delete it or was lost due to time?
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> To start, the monitor in Primordium is not Guilty Spark, it’s Chakas. Chakas was used as a basis for Spark, but Spark is ultimately just a fragment of Chakas.
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> Also, I don’t recall any line like the one you are referring to.
It says somewhere in the book somthing like ahh youve previously encountered one of me, its a shame to see him gone rampant
but if u read page 378 “Ships AI: All ship functions are now under control of 343 Guilty Spark. Root and system ai signing off”
Ship also ID’s him as GS the page before
ill seqarch for this encountering part more once ive gotten my tea
Also you’ve just reworded what i said anyways but used chakas instead of GS and GS-> chakas
Edit -> i am in no way saying the GS that was with cheif is the one on the ship or getting either confused with eachother, becuase chakas has named himself Guilty Spark
that would also imply a clone or fragment of himself would inherit the same name ^^, like the fragment of cortana in the first strike that was put on a seperate “drive” comapred to the main AI still called herself Cortana
> > > didn’t guilty spark in halo primordium state that he had be cloned to expand his life span to stop/slow himself going rampent, if so maybe during the cloneings he got curroupt data and had to delete it or was lost due to time?
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> > To start, the monitor in Primordium is not Guilty Spark, it’s Chakas. Chakas was used as a basis for Spark, but Spark is ultimately just a fragment of Chakas.
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> > Also, I don’t recall any line like the one you are referring to.
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> It says somewhere in the book somthing like ahh youve previously encountered one of me, its a shame to see him gone rampant
> but if u read page 378 “Ships AI: All ship functions are now under control of 343 Guilty Spark. Root and system ai signing off”
> Ship also ID’s him as GS the page before
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> ill seqarch for this encountering part more once ive gotten my tea
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> Also you’ve just reworded what i said anyways but used chakas instead of GS and GS-> chakas
The ship identifies the Monitor as Guilty Spark because he sounds like GS. However, the two are very separate entities. Guilty Spark was destroyed by the Chief in Halo 3. The monitor in Primordial is Chakas, who was use as a base for Guilty Spark.
Now, the line you are referring to is as follows:
> In time, my numbness developed into something richer, something that could survive thousands of centuries with only a minimum of madness creeping in. To contain multitudes is a definition of madness, is it not? I have rarely been able to remember which of my fragmented selves has performed any particular action.
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> I see in your records that one of me caused you considerable difficulty - and then, assisted you! How like us. But never did that monitor reveal it origins, or the motives behind it perverse behavior.
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> Perhaps now you can guess.
343 Guilty Spark was a fragment based on the mind of Chakas, but the two are two very different entities.
Yes thats the quote cheers maybe not what i expected but if u re-read my edit instead of cutting it out u see that i already know they are diffrent but they a fragment of the origonal
NOW: let me cut to the chase
Chakas after years of guardin the ring, creates a copy of himself or more 1) to defend the ring and if a outbreak knows how to fix it but has a limited knowlege of whats outside his ring, there fufilling the part a) knowing what the ark is b) not knowing what it does
it the leaves him free to roam around and in and out of the galaxy searching for the libarian in his slow fall to rampancy
> Yes thats the quote cheers maybe not what i expected but if u re-read my edit instead of cutting it out u see that i already know they are diffrent but they a fragment of the origonal
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> NOW: let me cut to the chase
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> Chakas after years of guardin the ring, creates a copy of himself or more 1) to defend the ring and if a outbreak knows how to fix it but has a limited knowlege of whats outside his ring, there fufilling the part a) knowing what the ark is b) not knowing what it does
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> it the leaves him free to roam around and in and out of the galaxy searching for the libarian in his slow fall to rampancy
The problem is that there is no evidence of this. And as shown in Halo 2, he knows what the Ark does.
read up abit, u said he knew it activated all the rings, but not much moar then that? does that not support part of my theory?
> read up abit, u said he knew it activated all the rings, but not much moar then that? does that not support part of my theory?
Um, It is clear from the HCE terminals and even halo 2 dialogue that 343’s original function wasn’t to monitor installation CE- which nullifies anything you are trying to say.
> > read up abit, u said he knew it activated all the rings, but not much moar then that? does that not support part of my theory?
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> Um, It is clear from the HCE terminals and even halo 2 dialogue that 343’s original function wasn’t to monitor installation CE- which nullifies anything you are trying to say.
Origonal function yeh, it even states that in the book, but the origonal version ,before the fragment we encounter as cheif, was his job. meaning the copy that was on 04 was to guard and caretake of the ring but “his” previous job was diffrent.
let me explain in human terms.
If person A makes a clone of himself B.
Clone B would have worked at b&q but has not actually ever been or worked there as he has the memories of person A who has done that, Person B just remembers doing it but has not phiscally done it.
The same could apply to 343 on ist 04, he “remembers doing it” did not physically do that.
no. It is show in the terminals that 343 was active before he was to monitor the ring he even talks about being re-stationed.
> no. It is show in the terminals that 343 was active before he was to monitor the ring he even talks about being re-stationed.
In Halo 2, he talks about how he oversaw the Threshold Gas Mine’s conversion to a Flood research facility.