Cat ears have shown that og halo fans have lost the fight

Ohh you mean pestilence but that inclement weather was s tier imo

It wasn’t free because you had to buy it with cr in of reach and in MCC you had to level up to get it and in order to level up you had to actually;ly own a copy of the game which costs money.

Need I remind you that people can spend their money on whatever they so desire?

Buying cat ears doesn’t suddenly make everything 343i pulled okay.

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All I want to know. Is when will 343 release Devil Horns?

I wanna be Satan Spartan! :eyes::smiling_imp:

They had something like that in the Tenrai event :thinking:

So… Soon?

Seriously, I was just joking… lol cool

Then let me go back to the original reason that i responded to your point, because it seems to have escaped you again.

Neither the OP nor myself are commenting about this in the forum just because we are upset about wacky cosmetics. Thats not what this is about. Its about people incentivizing 343 and Microsoft into locking everything behind a paywall because they would rather shell out more money for quick cosmetic fixes instead of fighting them in order to affect meaningful change in the store. Yes at some point the OP said that the cat ears were a stupid gimmick, but if you think thats the reason why this thread exists, then youre in the wrong thread.

Then youre never going to get anything good out of the store, because doing nothing means that 343 will continue overpricing the absolute crap out of everything they put into it. I wouldnt mind paying $2 or $3 for a cool set of armor. But $20? Whether or not im actually paying that amount is arbitrary at that point. Thats just insulting of them to even ask. It proves how they perceive their community: as nothing more than wallets for them to pry open and coerce into buying their shiny new store-exclusive items…… Theyre waging psychological warfare on you, even if you succeed in resisting. Youre still being glassed all the same.

And again, I’ll point you to the part where I expanded and said “I’m love with the revenue setup 343 has in Infinite because of all the free content i get to enjoy”. That doesn’t make me wrong and you right, that just means we disagree about the store and where players get benefit from the current model.

That’s completely false. Just because I wouldn’t spend $10 for anything that they put in so far, doesn’t mean they won’t add something I might think is cool enough to buy later. Maybe they put in attachments that remind me of another favorite franchise of mine or something. I whole heartedly support voting with your wallet, and that’s what I’m doing. But I’m not going to tell others they shouldn’t buy stuff they think are cool just because I have different tastes. See what I mean?

Also, even though we’re disagreeing I hope you know I have nothing against you! Happy holidays :grinning:

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Your previous statement: “Sure it might not affect mechanical gameplay but it adds incentive to play and gives you another layer to play for and isnt that what gaming is all about? Playing because its fun and you enjoy what youre doing and what youre getting from it?”

You’re previous statement: “Its another layer of the game”

Several of your previous arguments, including the statements I responded to directly, assign a lot of gravity to something that is at best a tertiary feature. If you didn’t mean it that way then fine, but the crux of the argument as you (and several others) keep presenting it is that the game is somehow hobbled by a lack of cosmetics. It is not.

While it is completely frustrating to lose features/content that have been a given in years past, the stuff being lost has no bearing on gameplay the same way as its presence had no bearing on gameplay. The % of people that treat unlocks as the sole or even primary driving force for continued play is extremely small.

None of this is to say there aren’t problems with Infinite’s approach to FTP, but let’s keep some perspective about what the actual issue is.

So are you reaffirming that i said it wasnt the cake… or are you doubling down on your incorrect interpretation of my words?

And yet the problems i’m talking about still affect everyone who plays the game. And youre right it is frustrating, which is why I’m voicing my opinion about it. I dont like the direction that 343 is heading, and ive seen other companies fall into the same pitfalls in the past. First it starts with cosmetics, and then it translates into locking actual gameplay behind paywalls once the company gets bold enough. Look at Battlefront 2. Thank God the community was strong enough to stand up to those corporate bullies. No company has been as head strong since. Until now…. Destiny 2 has recently begun locking actual gameplay mechanics behind paywalls. If you dont buy their battlepass, you cant access the newest features of the game they added. Its a free to play game with a thriving community, and yet they felt they werent getting paid enough. Whether its cosmetics or gameplay, these companies are waging psychological warfare against us. They look at us as nothing more than a source of revenue and they leverage our physiological responses to stimuli against us in order to convince us that paying for things that we dont need is actually a good idea. This is just the beginning of the problems. Keep doing nothing and pretty soon you wont be able to play on the only map that spawns a spartan laser unless you pay a premium.

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Yea sorry again for being nit picky, i just wanted to keep this conversation from turning into something that it wasnt about. Happy Holidays

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Customization has been an fan favourite side feature for over two decades. Be that selecting skins in Q2 or UT, it doesn’t matter that it has no bearing on gameplay.

Given how unlocks and whatnot are treated today in regards to monetisation.
How long do you think a game would survive with no customisation at all, and only a donation button to keep the game going? Simply gameplay, and a real opportunity for people to actually support the game over a longer period of time as it is proclaimed now, with no game-content in return for the money.

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Yeah the future of Halo is even more bleak now. I think most are missing the point… It’s not the cat ears per say… It’s that people were and are willing to shell out $10 for such a simple cosmetic. The new game blueprint is make an open world, have areas to take over, have a multiplayer, have a store with over priced cosmetics watch the money roll in… Honestly any one who bought the campaign should have had the premium battle and the store cosmetics included. Make those who don’t get the campaign pay for that stuff.

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To be fair it was more than just the ears…

It was nothing substantial and not even close to being worth $10… Well I guess to some it was worth it. But these cosmetics, well the store in general, and it’s not just Halo I am guessing but there is nothing micro about the transactions at this point. I believe there was a time when microtransactions meant that… Now they are $10 or more… Sad really. But if players are happy with less and lower game content in the name of more and more expensive cosmetics then it’s a sad place we are going. Players will be like, sure not much to do in the game, but look at my character, I spent $100 in cosmetics for my look.

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Couple things here: one, don’t cherry pick sentences out of their larger discussion for use in a flagging argument, it’s childish as hell. Two, several things you have said attribute considerable weight to cosmetics in Halo. Singling out a sentence in this manner doesn’t change that so please stop acting like you’ve been misinterpreted in terms of how important YOU find cosmetics to be in a Halo game. Saying “I never said it was the cake” doesn’t take away from the other things you did say, some of which I previously pointed out to you, others of which you’ve put in multiple replies to others.

Our differences on the significance of cosmetics aside, I do get where you’re coming from here. I think you may be a little hyperbolic in your concern, but I get it. You gotta keep in mind that Battlfront 2 and D2’s BS were somewhat different than what is happening with Infinite, with Battlefront lootboxing actual gameplay elements from the jump (a move that, as you pointed out, effectively killed the practice) and D2 starting as a full priced title, that went FTP/seasons pass, with full priced content expansions, and had cosmetic mtx from the jump. We also need to keep in mind that Infinite was and remains completely free. While I get your earlier points about pre-release promises and inferences being completely broken, its a totally different ballgame to do that when your product is actually released.

I don’t see Infinites mtx being a gateway to paywalling gameplay features at all, outside of the current approach completely failing financially anyway. My earlier argument about Halo being about its gameplay feeds back into this. 343i would be condemning this game to death if they started paywalling anything that impacted gameplay behind the pass or mtx because Halo is its gameplay. Only thing the general audience would accept would be a major content drop, like if they introduced a massive BR mode (God forbid) or a few massive scale maps to reintroduce a new take on invasion.

Sadly it’s a lot of wait and see. I think how they respond and what they respond to when they’re back from holiday, and what season 2 looks like will be much greater indicators of where the game is going than the current mtx and storefront. This game will die much quicker due to its still outstanding technical issues than its issues surrounding mtx.

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I’m not expecting the game to die simplt because of the current mtx climate. I’m expecting it to just get worse before it gets any better. And yea perhaps i am being hyperbolic about the cosmetics, but I still began my whole argument with the notion that theres more to the game than just the cosmetics. But if 343 agreed with that sentiment, they wouldnt be charging a dime for them. So obviously, Halo has become synonymous with skins. Otherwise, the store would be a flop.

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Negative. I don’t want to have argue about this pay model when there is no justification for it. If it was an indie developer yeah sure I’d be happy to. But owned by a billion dollar corporation? Nah not a chance.

People feed the greed because they grew up with this stuff and think it’s normal. When in reality it isn’t… I for one will not spend a dime on the store no matter what item they put on. I will keep my dignity.

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It’s more so that people like me view the cat ears as complete disrespect towards an amazing IP with fantastic dramatic storylines, only to be spit on by adding cat ears, purely because that type of monetization is popular.
Just remember, these cat ears aren’t made to enhance halo, they’re purely made to get money, no respect intended.

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