It’s like they never used a hand cannon in destiny 2. Only difference is the mangler has bullet drop and an ugly reticle
The mangler is a high skill high reward weapon. I would even think pro players would love it in ranked playlists since its a difficult weapon to use.
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If its not “ pRo pLaYeRs “ speaking for the community, its going to be “ Halo cOnTeNt cReAtOrS “ Speaking for the community….
343 Industries is making it pretty clear they don’t care for the Waypoint feedback / “ Casual Gamer “ Feedback.
- It sucks, but this is what it has come down to ; IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A “ MASSIVE FOLLOWING OR ARE NOT IN THE EYES OF 343 INDUSTRIES, your voice, your opinion, your feedback means NOTHING.
343 Industries is choosing to use, Discord, Twitch and Twitter as the main platform to promote and discuss anything Halo or Halo Infinite ; They refuse to acknowledge Halo waypoint and the main support for Halo.
343 caters to competitive play. That has been the biggest downside of their reign. They will bend over backwards to make sure the competitive crowd are satisfied, all while frustrating the bulk of the casual fanbase. That is why radar is basically non existent, vehicles are useless, and the BR wrecks in fiesta.
I want to argue with you on your point that 343 does not listen to us casual gamers but it is hard to say you are wrong. Sure casual gamers typically just play the game and do not get involved but this is Halo and I hate to say this but the Halo fanbase makes Sony Ponies look like My little ponies (cute and harmless) I also feel for 343 because everyone has an opinion thanks to social media and everyone has a list of demands and I also I understand the competitive players make them money on the pro circuit but the casual gamers are the ones making the pro circuit viable who else do they think watches these matches and tournaments.
also instead of worrying about buffing one weapon nerfing another weapon 343 needs to focus on more maps, more game modes (King of the hiill, Griffball, Infection etc) fixing BTB, and getting Co Op ready ASAP
Right now the multiplayer is not perfect but it is fun as heck so instead of fixing things that’s not broken (more like cracked) lets work on expanding the game so it not getting too stale.
But as you said chances are 343 is more focus on the streamers and competitive players than us casual gamers who just love the franchise for what it is not how much money it makes us or how many views we can get by playing it online.
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Im going to quote just this opening line of yours…
Something that the community needs to stop and think about before taking sides and jumping the gun… I read what you said and agree with you, but my point still stands as does your’s ; There are alot of variables at play when it comes to Halo Infinite and by variables, I mean actual issues that span over the last decade with 343 Industries taking over the Halo title back with Reach.
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Bungie’s contract came to an end during Reach’s “ Peak “, 343 Industries took over and from there, Bungie left 343 Industries with a MESS, from Lore, Gameplay and direction to take Halo.
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Bungie introduced a vast majority of game changing Mechanics, from armor / equipment pick up’s starting with Halo 3 ; From there 343 Industries really just expanded on Bungie’s concepts and enhanced them 10x better, my opinion and a majority of the community could agree on that.
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343 Industries started working on Halo Infinite during Halo 5’s life cycle and during Halo 5’s development ( Depending on what you deem true or not ) From Halo 5 - to present day, 343 Industries perfected Halo 5’s sandbox and The Master Chief Collection, from a REQ system, Credit system, Challenge System, Commendation system, customization system ; ALL while working on Halo Infinite… Halo 5 grossed about $500 Million dollars its first few weeks based just on the Req system and sales.
Yes, creating “ Content “ cost money and releasing that said “ Content “ for free is a massive gamble due to “ Supply and demand “, But the gamble 343 Industries took with Halo 5’s free content and Halo The Master Chief Collection free content paid off…
Sooooo, Why the 10 steps backwards when it comes to Halo Infinite’s failed Launch and current ( PRESENT state ) ?
Halo Infinite does feel like a kickstarter / Go fund me kind of game… The game feels absolutely INCOMPLETE
No one can say, “ Well 343 choose to go free to play and thats why there are a ton of issues “ - Plenty of free to play games that are actual competitors to Halo Infinite have a better In game shop / micro-transactions system… So it really is no excuse… No one can say, “ Well 343 Industries is just greedy “ Cause EVERY Game studio is outright greedy… But 343 Industries and Halo Infinite reign SUPREME when it comes to being “ Greedy "
Feel free to check out my points on Halo Infinite and 343 Industries… ( REMOVE THE “ _ “ underscore symbol from “ Http “ Then search the links…
- h_ttps://forums.halowaypoint.com/t/halo-infinite-customization-built-on-a-lie/481435
- h_ttps://forums.halowaypoint.com/t/halo-infinite-if-you-got-20-to-spend-then-you-must-have-30-to-spend-343-industries/473369
Im not against 343 Industries, I have always been in support of them, but as of right now with the current games I play, 343 Industries is killing Halo, digging a grave with this title by not addressing key issues that the community has.
( In my Opinion ) :
Halo 4 is the best story out of all the Halo titles, Then Halo CE, Halo 2 and Halo 3. I personally don’t consider Halo Reach Canon in my books due to it basically retconning ALOT of Halo lore. Halo 5 is a pretty solid game, Id say the best gameplay and sandbox, Again, Just my opinion.
So if you really want to argue my point(s) then feel free to check out the 2 post I’ve made.
That and don’t argue, after all, it is my opinion and as a community, we need to find the similarities and respect the differences.
Long post, I know, my bad…
I personally don’t want your post locked down, so if we can, lets keep the convo short, you also can direct message me if need be ; if you think the convo will go off topic. But I do agree with you, Im just expanding on more issues that do factor in why Infinite is in a “ Failed “ state at this time.
so you only half quoted me and left out the important part
I said
I want to argue with you on your point that 343 does not listen to us casual gamers BUT IT IS HARD TO SAY YOU ARE WRONG meaning I want to say you are wrong but honestly I cannot
too many times have things been nerfed because of its “overpowered” design, but anytime i bring up the br or dmr insane power in mcc its “oh youre just a casual” like its been years since any other weapon has been on par with the br now it is and they are screaming for a nerf
I know I did, I just wanted to quote just that opening part…I didn’t want to quote more than what i need to ; That and Im not taking what your saying out of context.
As for communicating, i just seen an update from one of the devs to address weapon balancing,
So they are seeing the backlash and appears to try and defuse the situation.
( Twitter by the way )
But you did take it out of contexts I was pretty much agreeing with you but the way you quoted me made it look as if I wanted to argue with you. I pretty much said I wanted to argue with you but I couldn’t meaning it looks as if you were right , but you quoted me making it look like all I said was I wanted to argue with you which is false and why there are so much miscommunication out there on Social media
if you are stupid enough to get in melee range of any weapon before you yourself can successfully melee that is on YOU. there are 3 other weapons capable of doing the same exact thing. everything does NOT need to be inferior to battle rifle. learn to ADAPT to this sandbox and stop complaining about good weapons because you are a slow player. you also just stated a solution to your own problem. it spawns every 30 seconds. so go get one for yourself and at the least trade with these manglers you are losing so badly to. it’s embarrassing.