I call myself a casual gamer because although I love gaming, I use gaming to unwind after a long day in the real world it’s not about being the top anything or 100% a game. I have been playing Halo day one well I had the O.G. Xbox and Halo Combat evolved 6 months after release and Halo 2 holds a special place in my heart because it gave a young kid, I adored a reason to fight while in the Hospital battling Leukemia.
I will never be that top ranked highly skilled player but my love for Halo I promise you is stronger because it is not about skills in the game but love of the game. Honestly in Rank I am Silver
The reason for this is because I am hearing 343 might nerf the Mangler and I have to say please do not because by nerfing the mangler you are slowly discriminating against Casual gamers, the people who have been complaining about the mangler are the pro and highly ranked players so instead of nerfing it take it out of rank play or someone mention put it on a different weapon rack making spawn time longer and harder to get (strategy) If you continue to nerf weapons to the point where the game will only be fun for highly skill gamers making Halo just for pros and not causal gamers. I don’t go on a killing spree with the Mangler, but I can get 2 kills with it and a lot of times I never get off the punch after my first shot, but I am a casual gamer.
You nerfed the Revenger already which was my favorite gun during the flight please do not nerf the mangler. When you nerf, every weapon making the time to kill so much tougher you are screwing over the causal players. I do not use the battle riffle because I am not skilled enough to do body shot, body shot, body shot, body shot head shot I keep practicing but can’t, I do not use the commando because the time to kill is too insane for a lower skilled player which sucks because I love hearing my AI say, “Grabbed a Commando”.
so please 343 as a casual gamer who does not want an edge only wants to level the playing field against highly ranked players do not nerf the Mangler because there will always be someone who is going to complain about something and people just following them it will never be perfect to everyone.
I think the main complaint from the pros is that in competitive game modes the Mangler is on a 30 second respawn and isn’t balanced in terms of its spawn points on the map so you could effectively have one team fully equipped with BR + Mangler within 3 minutes if they have spawn control.
I can see their point of view and it just needs to be balanced or removed from competitive game types. I don’t think it should be nerfed at all for standard matchmaking.
Question because I thought that once you take a weapon off the rack the line turns red and stay red as long as you are alive and equipped with that weapon and that the line does not turn blue for respond until you die and the weapon disappears from the match is that not how it works?
My understanding is that is for “secondary” power weapons only like the Heatwave or Bullfrog. For weapons like the Mangler, BR, Commando and Plasma pistol, they are simply on a spawn timer so the blue line just resets and starts to progress again once picked up. If Mangler was upgraded to secondary power weapon then that may also appease some of the pro players…but I’m not a pro so don’t know.
Edit: just double checked…the “secondary” power weapons turn red once picked up and only turn blue again once all ammo is used or despawn once dropped. This is to prevent more than one of them being in use on the map at any given time.
Thank you like I said just a casual gamer I did not know that then yes, I agree instead of nerfing the gun put it on the secondary power weapon rack. making it harder to get and making a player use a different strategy. I just feel that the people with a voice and who are being heard more are the pro and highly skilled players I never play rank unless I am forced to because of a challenge. I play for love and fun of the game and I strongly feel we are more of a majority than highly skilled wants to be onyx players.
I don’t think the game should be balanced with this idea that worse players should be killing better players more often. We already have power weapons that are going to increase the amount of kills those players get in the first place. Better players are also going to prioritize getting the better weapons and when those weapons are in short supply that just increases the better players effectiveness and ultimately gives the worse players are harder time.
With that said I do think that constantly nerfing things takes alot of the fun out of the game. I think the game has this problem where they put these weapons on the map like the Ravager and the Commando that are just completely overlooked because they were nerfed into the ground.
I love the Mangler, the way it feels and honestly, I don’t want them to nerf it because it’s a fun weapon.
Sova you miss read what I said I said for casual gamers it is not about giving us an edge it is about leveling the playing field. High Skilled players can use the battle riffle so well I cannot but I feel it does not need to be touched I just get better somehow or just do not use it. If all these weapons are nerfed where it is so hard to get a kill you and you have to be highly skilled to use all of them than you will lose a big portion of casual gamers.
I read what you said, and I fundamentally disagree with this idea that we should be leveling the playing field for you.
We also have matchmaking and with you being Silver 1 I doubt that you are playing against high skilled players to be frank and that you are probably using something like the Battle Rifle at about the same level as the people you play against. You just do better with the Mangler because you have an advantage with the way that you engage enemies with that weapon.
The relationship between nerfing a weapon and making it so that higher skill is required to get kills isn’t as straightforward as you think. If I’m looking to play better, I’m looking for weapons that help me do so and if say the Mangler is nerfed, I’m not going to use it when I can kill someone faster with something else. There’s also the fact that this is a team game and when you extend the TTK in general you end up making teamwork more important and teamwork mitigates individual skill the more powerful teamwork is.
I am not talking about rank I do not play rank if you read my post, I play casual I only play rank when I have too which I stated so once again we are talking about two different things.
Here is the deal I suck with the battle rifle, but do I believe it needs to be changed no I do not, I feel I either get better or just do not use it because it is balance for casual players to get better with it. I hear people complain about the Bulldog not being strong enough I love the Bulldog and not the best with using it but it works, the disruptor I see videos daily people say go passed the disruptor, but I love it I call the disruptor my assist weapon, whenever I am with a teammate I use it to break the shield and they take them out, for me it’s not always about getting the kill. (Magic Johnson one of the greatest players was about assists not points)
My post is about casual or maybe I should say social gaming not Rank matches If you change weapons to cater to the Rank match players you are screwing with the Casual players who never play rank matches unless forced too.
I am not saying anything needs to be changed for me or other casual gamers I am saying if you continue to nerf weapons to cater to the highly skilled weapons you are
Matchmaking applies to casual as well, you aren’t going up against the high skill players unless you’ve been doing well enough to actually get into their matches and in that case, congratulations, you are a better player than whatever rank you are in ranked.
I actually view this statement as being the opposite when we talk about the Mangler. I think nerfing it would actually take more skill out of the game and give worse players an easier time in general.
It’s a slower moving projectile, the recoil is enough to where you have to reacquire the target but it’s very strong and if I can hit 3 shots in a row, I’ll kill faster than somebody using the BR and that gives me more opportunity to take on multiple opponents.
This is my issue with these weapons. The weapon itself is fine. They spawn too often, same with equipment. It’s really bad in BTB. This is for all the weapons, grenades and not to mention all these supply canisters.
I think you’re right with spawn times, I mean, no one complains the Rocket can one shot in a large radius. Because it is slow to spawn, and doesn’t have a ton of ammo. It’s given its respect as a power weapon. The mangler needs the respect it has a weapon more on par with the Bulldog than the plasma pistol. That’s all. If they nerf it we’ll have another commando/Ravenger on our hands, i.e., a gun that’s only good in memories.
They should be considered quasi-power weapons, with a longer spawn time. The shock rifle is a sniper that spawns so quick, it’s pretty hilarious. Mangler is just a long range mauler from Halo 3. Grenades come back very fast. As I said above, the supply canisters drop power weapons and camo/overshield… making it worse.
so if I am in a fireteam in casual play and two of my teammates are onyx or platinum in rank (we are not playing in rank but quick play) who do we play with people on my level or people on their level we have played with some really good players and although I am not great, I still have fun because I might die 15 times but got at least 12 kills and 2 was with the mangler.
I do not see how nerfing (making the mangler weaker) would benefit casual gamers making it harder to get a kill using the mangler benefits casual gamers?
We both are saying the Mangler does not need to be nerf so we agree on that so no need to continue a weird debate actually to me.
just to be sure we are speaking of the same weapon the mangle is like a big pistol with the blade on the end where you can shot a player once at close range and punch him once for a kill
The only weapons that need to be looked at in the sandbox are:
Ar: Needs an accuracy nerf
BR: It needs a RRR nerf
Sidekick: Needs less bloom, slower rof
Hydra: This thing just sucks bawls.
Ravager: It’s okay in the secondary fire mode, but the first mode is just… why? Why is this a thing? It’s trash.
Vehicles: Warthog: needs a damage taking buff. It’s wet paper.
Banshee: needs more oompf with the bomb
All vehicles need better controls, especially the tank.
jussive I agree instead of talks to nerf the mangler they need to put it in a second tier where it takes longer to spawn the reason for this post is a video on youtube where I guess 343 posted on twitter about changes and they said “especially big ones like the Mangler” and I felt that the people complaining about the mangler and wanting it to be nerfed are the people in Rank play the highly skilled players and not the casual gamers.
It’s a problem in ranked because, people camp with manglers 2 to 3 people, because the very short cooldown it has. It breaks the core play of ranked into who can camp better in some maps. Luckily we have grenades, but still.
I don’t think it should be nerfed, it’s a high skill gap weapon.
jussive what? I love the Hydra yes the homing of the missiles sucks but it is from a distance 4 shot kill and I have learned to get some great kills with it mainly in bigger maps like launch site.
Honestly, would they use it if it were nerfed? It’s a bladed weapon, and the damage buff to bladed weapons is really small, so I doubt they’d take that away. So then how do you nerf it? Lower the rate of fire or lower the damage. But if they nerf like that it’ll probably be slower to kill with just the BR or the Sidekick, because it’s hard to nerf just enough. In which case why would anyone use it at all, especially the pros. I mean, people were worried the Commando would be the meta weapon, now it’s useless. That’s what’ll happen to the Mangler. And if 343 keeps nerfing every weapon that’s not the BR, then ranked will just then into BRs and power weapons. And who wants to play that?