carbine should get fixed

After seeing footage of the PAX build carbine, I must say I’m extremely disappointed. I think 343 went way too far nerfing it. It kind of sucks now, its rate of fire is slower than the DMR, Light Rifle, BR and quite possibly the Needle Rifle. If 343 doesn’t fix this, I will not even touch the Carbine when Halo 4 drops(I’ll try it in a custom game, not likely MM). Don’t take me as a Carbine fan, I’m a Needle Rifle/DMR guy. All I’m asking is that all the weapons get treated fairly in the sandbox and that they be fun to use. I know that Im not the only one who is disappointed with the Carbine performance in the PAX build. What does the community think about the Carbine being nerfed at PAX? does it need to be fixed?

PAX build…you mean all the videos on Exile?! The carbine looked good!

> PAX build…you mean all the videos on Exile?! The carbine looked good!

Which videos did you see? In the video that I saw it was terrible.

if you could post a link that would be nice.

It’s good now.

Back at E3, RTX, and Game Expo it was excessively OP.

> > PAX build…you mean all the videos on Exile?! The carbine looked good!
>
> Which videos did you see? In the video that I saw it was terrible.
>
> if you could post a link that would be nice.

If I remember correctly it was a little nerfed from the previous expo builds but it still looks really good to me!

I don’t mind them nerfing it if it was unbalanced but the carbine should have a fast fire rate. It is one of its defining features that differentiated it from other weapons in the sandbox (other than it being a covenant weapon).

> > > PAX build…you mean all the videos on Exile?! The carbine looked good!
> >
> > Which videos did you see? In the video that I saw it was terrible.
> >
> > if you could post a link that would be nice.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfh7ecWW-kU
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> If I remember correctly it was a little nerfed from the previous expo builds but it still looks really good to me!

this is the same video that I saw. Its too slow to me, when compared to other precision weapons in the game its the slowest(Although the light rifle could be a little slow, I’m unsure).

> > > > PAX build…you mean all the videos on Exile?! The carbine looked good!
> > >
> > > Which videos did you see? In the video that I saw it was terrible.
> > >
> > > if you could post a link that would be nice.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfh7ecWW-kU
> >
> > If I remember correctly it was a little nerfed from the previous expo builds but it still looks really good to me!
>
> this is the same video that I saw. Its too slow to me, when compared to other precision weapons in the game its the slowest(Although the light rifle could be a little slow, I’m unsure).

I don’t think it’s really that slow; I think he’s just timing his shots. There are moments in the video where he shoots at a faster rate.

Carbine’s ROF is lower than… what? The carbine’s ROF is the highest of all precision weapons.

> > > > PAX build…you mean all the videos on Exile?! The carbine looked good!
> > >
> > > Which videos did you see? In the video that I saw it was terrible.
> > >
> > > if you could post a link that would be nice.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfh7ecWW-kU
> >
> > If I remember correctly it was a little nerfed from the previous expo builds but it still looks really good to me!
>
> this is the same video that I saw. Its too slow to me, when compared to other precision weapons in the game its the slowest(Although the light rifle could be a little slow, I’m unsure).

He’s pacing his shots most of the game. I’ll link to you a specific encounter where he goes all out with it;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfh7ecWW-kU&t=6m41s

The Carbine looks fine.

The carbine still kills faster than the BR but slower than the DMR.

The killtime it had before was perfect, they should have buffed weapons to match it’s strength. But that would make too much sense, we can’t have fast killtimes :-(. Let’s nerf everything!!!

> > > > > PAX build…you mean all the videos on Exile?! The carbine looked good!
> > > >
> > > > Which videos did you see? In the video that I saw it was terrible.
> > > >
> > > > if you could post a link that would be nice.
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfh7ecWW-kU
> > >
> > > If I remember correctly it was a little nerfed from the previous expo builds but it still looks really good to me!
> >
> > this is the same video that I saw. Its too slow to me, when compared to other precision weapons in the game its the slowest(Although the light rifle could be a little slow, I’m unsure).
>
> He’s pacing his shots most of the game. I’ll link to you a specific encounter where he goes all out with it;
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfh7ecWW-kU&t=6m41s
>
> The Carbine looks fine.

Exactly, it’s the same Carbine that we all know and love.

The carbine shoots faster than the other 3 precision weapons, and has the second fastest kill time out of all of them, not counting the scoped LR.

DMR-1.46s
Carbine-1.63s
BR-1.8s
LRunscoped-1.8s
LRscoped-1.4s

So yeah, it’s perfectly fine, and this topic is unneeded.

> The carbine still kills faster than the BR but slower than the DMR.
>
> The killtime it had before was perfect, they should have buffed weapons to match it’s strength. But that would make too much sense, we can’t have fast killtimes :-(. Let’s nerf everything!!!

It’s easier to nerf one weapon to match the rest of the sandbox than to nerf ten weapons to match one.

Honestly, the Carbine looks just fine, I’m looking forward to using it!