Can we please put this “the Carbine is a BR clone” myth to bed?
Contrasting the Battle Rifle and Covenant Carbine in Relation to the Descope Mechanic
Requirements:
A burst fire weapon with a long delay between bursts.
A semi automatic weapon with a short delay between shots.
A mechanic that descopes a player if he is shot while in scope.
Ramifications:
The longer duration burst of the BR keeps an enemy out of scope longer but the delay between bursts is longer as well.
The shorter duration shot of the Carbine keeps an enemy out of scope shorter but the delay between shots is also shorter.
The longer required time on target for 100% damage from each BR burst makes obtaining the optimum kill time more difficult.
The greater number of shots to kill, in addition to the faster rate of fire, from the Carbine makes obtaining the optimum kill time more difficult.
The burst fire BR can sweep for headshots, making the user less likely to miss a headshot.
The semi automatic Carbine can place individual shots faster so a missed headshot is punished less.
Isn’t the DMR more of a BR clone than the Carbine? The BR and Carbine have very different rates of fire and deal very different amounts of damage per trigger pull. The BR and DMR have about the same rate of fire and deal about the same amount of damage per trigger pull.
It’s most easy to classify precision rifles in the same group, even if they are used differently.
No one is saying there are not minor differences between them, but what do you actually do differently with a Carbine?
The only differences you have listed is how often you pull the trigger and some minor aiming considerations. Almost nothing changes going from a BR to a Carbine in terms of player capability. Both are mid range utility weapons and both fill that role well albeit with some minor differences. If I run over a Carbine with a full BR and I have identical skill with both of them I have no reason to pick up a Carbine.
I have a reason to pick up an AR or a Plasma pistol. I even have good reasons to pick up a DMR/NR over a BR. Both of those weapons have much more consistent and powerful damage outputs at long range with a bit of extra zoom to boot at the cost of my close range capability.
This is why I would prefer just having a BR for the UNSC and the Needle Rifle for the Covenant. The BR fills the utility role, the NR fills the ‘long range’ role while the UNSC and Covenant still get precision weapons. A Carbine/DMR combo could work too, but I recognize the BR is just more popular.
> It’s most easy to classify precision rifles in the same group, even if they are used differently.
This. Of course it’s not a clone, idk why people say that, but it’s the same class.
BR, CC
DMR, LR, NR
AR, Plasma rifle, Storm rifle, etc.
I hate it too when they are said to be copies. I think they are very different, but they fall to the same distance class and CC is seeing as the Covenant equivalent so that’s why some people call them copies.
> The longer duration burst of the BR keeps an enemy out of scope longer
No it doesn’t. Players will stay unscoped until they scope back in. You’re basically saying that players can be descoped, scope back in, and then descoped again in the same burst. That’s impossible. Halo 4’s BR has a burst time of 0.1 seconds, and the average human reaction time is 0.2-0.4 seconds.
In reality, the Carbine is superior at descoping. Its faster rate-of-fire means that enemies who do re-scope can be descoped much more quickly.
> Isn’t the DMR more of a BR clone than the Carbine? The BR and Carbine have very different rates of fire and deal very different amounts of damage per trigger pull.
It has nothing to do with functionality or rate-of-fire. The DMR may be functionally more similar, but its accuracy and consistency allow it to function at longer ranges than the BR’s or Carbine’s spreads allows them to. This is why the DMR is classified as a long-range precision weapon.
The BR’s and Carbine’s spreads prevent them from being useful beyond medium ranges, so they are classified as mid-range precision weapons. Both weapons have the same role and niche, hence the comparisons.
I wouldn’t use the word clone but they are very similar in range and kill times.
While I hate the Battle Rifle, even I admit that it and the carbine are never alike.
> I wouldn’t use the word clone but they are very similar in range and kill times.
They have to be similar otherwise no one would play with the carbine…