Just bought the War Games map pack today, because I though once the maps are downloaded it will show up on any of of the playlist. But having playing the same map over and over again and none of the DLC contents shown up. Felt like as if I was ripped off or something. Anybody else experience the same?
343 should come up with a seperate playlist for the DLC. Spread this message so that everyone can hear. I’m not gonna waste $25 for contents that doesn’t even work 
I just bought the Castle map pack with similar expectations. Seriously annoying that there is no playlist for these maps. And I can’t find them anywhere in matchmaking. What the **** is the point in releasing a map pack if you’re only going to feature the maps for a little while? It’s so stupid.
This has been a problem since Halo Reach and is nothing new. Its because the game’s population is so low and many of the remaining Halo 4 players either don’t have or refuse to buy the DLC. For the maps to show as voting options everyone in the game NEEDS to have the DLC. If just a single person in the lobby has no DLC then the maps wont appear.
I personally blame the people who tell others not to buy the DLC. These people complain about the maps not showing but then, instead of convincing people to buy the DLC, they tell them not to bother because it never shows. How do they expect to play on the maps they paid for if they are telling more and more people not to buy them? Logic fail much?
> This has been a problem since Halo Reach and is nothing new. Its because the game’s population is so low and many of the remaining Halo 4 players either don’t have or refuse to buy the DLC. For the maps to show as voting options everyone in the game NEEDS to have the DLC. If just a single person in the lobby has no DLC then the maps wont appear.
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> I personally blame the people who tell others not to buy the DLC. These people complain about the maps not showing but then, instead of convincing people to buy the DLC, they tell them not to bother because it never shows. How do they expect to play on the maps they paid for if they are telling more and more people not to buy them? Logic fail much?
It is really annoying when people do that. I haven’t been able to play on any of the DLC maps in a few months because there are no designated playlists for them and no one will buy them because of people like that who tell their friends not to buy the DLC because nobody plays it. It is just stupid
I find the DLC situation simply mind boggling… as in I can grasp it logically.
Let’s take it from a high level and try to avoid all of the tired argued details of ‘why the game sucks’.
Game launches and sells a LOT of copies
Sweet (:
For multiple reasons people don’t like this Halo and MANY leave
It is what it is
Many people don’t buy DLC for multiple reasons
I would never tell someone what they HAVE To buy. Freedom of choice
Game now (and for awhile) has very low population
Bummer, wish my people played still ):
Now is when I start to get confused
The people that are left all play for different reasons. Some genuinely like Halo 4. Some love the Halo franchise in general. Some want to support the game. Some just love something to kill some time with and Halo is still the most fun. Whatever your reason is, all reasons are valid. We are talking opinions here.
However why wouldn’t people that are still playing the MM on Halo NOT buy the DLC? Like it simply doesn’t make sense. For example, if you enjoy playing it then of course map packs are the thing that keeps it fresh (much like people buy the map packs for COD, for example, a game ‘THEY’ like). If you want to support Halo’s future then do it (much like donating on other sites, paying monthly fees, etc. Believe it or not, we do empower game companies to make games. WE chose what games have a future)…
At this point you’re thinking ‘okay fanboy, don’t tell me what to buy and what not to buy’… and my reply would be 'Absolutely don’t buy the map packs if you don’t like playing MM… I agree with you… good decision not to buy.
If you dislike Halo MM now… why are you playing it? I mean, before you get entitled and fight back… actually think about it. I love the game and want you to love it and play… but if you don’t enjoy it… why on earth are you online playing MM? See what I’m saying???
I understand some people genuinely don’t have the resources to buy and I don’t mean to be insensitive to them. But I would expect the VAST majority of people that STILL play MM to buy the DLC. To support the game they play. Again, if they didn’t like it, they clearly would have moved on, which most did. Good for them.
My simple question is for the people that still play MM but don’t own the maps: Why are you still playing? B/c believe it or not, as the DLC requirement proved, this is the VAST majority of the people as little sense as it makes logically.
I also think it’s pretty dumb to take out the DLC playlists. When I didn’t have the DLC, having the playlist there was a constant reminder that I was missing something. Now people just forget the DLC exists.
> I also think it’s pretty dumb to take out the DLC playlists. When I didn’t have the DLC, having the playlist there was a constant reminder that I was missing something. Now people just forget the DLC exists.
It still boggles me why we cannot have one DLC playlist that is permanent. One! Understandably the playlist would have a low population due to the fact that so few people play the game and also have DLC, but would it be too much to ask for a place for just the people who payed a bit more for extra content in the game?
And as for the whole “people not buying the DLC” issue, I think it has to do with not seeing any positives in general when it comes to the DLC. Not only do we have people telling people reasons not to buy DLC, but there are also a lot of negative threads about not being able to connect to others or being able to play with others when it comes to DLC. “Why would I want to end up in the same boat?” comes to mind when I try to imagine myself in the other shoes (I have the DLC). And also let’s not forget what happened in Reach (pretty much the same thing happening now with H4), and some of those people not wanting to have the same situation on their hands (I also bought all of the Reach DLC). I understand perfectly why others are hesitant if not completely unwilling to buy the DLC.
The only solution I can come up with for players who have the DLC but who are not able to play others is to do what Custom Game players do: Post and form parties. We had to do it in Reach, and more than likely it has to be done now as it seems we will not be getting a DLC only playlist for a while, if not ever. It’d be nice if they would allow a sticky post for DLC players to post and find others for DLC games seeing as how the recruitment section is about as dead as the lowest populated playlists currently up (if people still use it).
Put the DLC on Sale, or drop the price, or make some of it free after a while.
The DLC required test coupled with a sale on the DLC over that time probably would have paired off nicely.
Figure -Yoink!- is making very little now, why not drop the price and make the money via sales volume?
Or even as simple as create a separate playlist for DLC contents like “Majestic Splayer” or “Crimson BTB” or even create a sort of filtering system where the folks that have DLC will all be paired in a single lobby. But with the low popularity of H4 DLC, second option is seemingly impossible so therefore first option is the only way.
If we happens to have a separate playlist for DLC, it doesn’t matter if is not popular compared to other playlist, at least we have a private section for those who actually bought the DLC contents so that some of us would extend our online experiences further…
> <mark>It still boggles me why we cannot have one DLC playlist that is permanent.</mark>
As I have said numerous times before, there cannot be a single DLC playlist that includes all map packs, simply due to the fact that the maps require different team sizes. You cannot play 8v8 on maps specifically created for 4v4 as the game would be unplayable. Skyline just be a spawn kill fest. Having a playlist that included all maps would need a team size of 8 to cover the BTB maps in Crimson and Castle, in which case this wouldn’t work on Majestic and Bullseye maps as they are both 4v4 map packs.
The best way I can think of as a way around this would be 2 playlists:
DLC 4v4 - Majestic, Bullseye and small Forge Island maps only with mixed gametypes.
DLC BTB - Crimson, Castle and large Forge Island maps only with mixed gametypes.
This would be the best option to go with, since each playlist cover the apprpriate DLC with some Forge Island variants to mix thing s up a bit. Each voting slot would also have 1 map from each map pack. Using BTB as an example:
Slot 1 - a Crimson map
Slot 2 - a Castle map
Slot 3 - a Forge Island variant.
Anyone else think this sounds like a fair compromise?
> However why wouldn’t people that are still playing the MM on Halo NOT buy the DLC? Like it simply doesn’t make sense.
Here’s why you shouldn’t buy the DLC, it never shows up in playlists. I bought the War Games Map Pass back in spring when it was on sale. I’ve played about 6 matches with DLC maps in non-DLC required playlists. 343 released more maps, which aren’t included in the War Games Map Pass. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice . . .
Furthermore, for the price of a map pack you will never use, you can take that $25 and buy a whole 'nother game instead.
> <mark>Here’s why you shouldn’t buy the DLC, it never shows up in playlists.</mark> I bought the War Games Map Pass back in spring when it was on sale. I’ve played about 6 matches with DLC maps in non-DLC required playlists. 343 released more maps, which aren’t included in the War Games Map Pass. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice . . .
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> Furthermore, for the price of a map pack you will never use, you can take that $25 and buy a whole 'nother game instead.
It doesn’t show because of the people who either refuse to buy it, or listen to the people who tell people not to buy it, like you yourself are doing now. Then because more people don’t buy the DLC, the more non DLC owners play and the less chance of the maps not showing for those of us who have bought it. Common sense really.
> > However why wouldn’t people that are still playing the MM on Halo NOT buy the DLC? Like it simply doesn’t make sense.
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> Here’s why you shouldn’t buy the DLC, it never shows up in playlists. I bought the War Games Map Pass back in spring when it was on sale. I’ve played about 6 matches with DLC maps in non-DLC required playlists. 343 released more maps, which aren’t included in the War Games Map Pass. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice . . .
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> Furthermore, for the price of a map pack you will never use, you can take that $25 and buy a whole 'nother game instead.
I will agree with you. And I made it very clear in my post that I absolutely don’t expect anyone to buy DLC. You have 100% buying power and I’m not going to tell you what to do…
However, you are creating the problem, which is sorta funny / ironic (think about it… you’re mad you can’t play maps and…). See, that is the obvious ‘problem to point out about your stance’…
But let me get more reasonable / logical and point out how you helped to drive my point from long post above. You can buy a whole new game for 25 bucks like you said… EXACTLY! lol. Why are you still playing? Honest question.
Again, I want you to play. I love Halo. I’m not telling you to go away. But if you play, and you enjoy it… why on earth not buy DLC (and then complain about how they never show up). See what I’m saying? Not to be rude, but ‘you’ (as in the majority) are the problem.
It simply doesn’t make sense.
If you hate the system and don’t wanna buy it b/c ‘screw them’… ya know what, I hear ya. Very valid opinion. Yet you (not ‘you’ I’m just saying in general) are still playing a ton… so buy the maps.
I would think the MAJORITY of the TINY minority would have the maps at this point if they STILL play… OR, equally as valid, be fed up and have moved on to another game / activity.
It’s not the case. All of the people that still play are the people that are mad and refuse to buy DLC. Go buy that other game you were talking about (:
if you buy something expecting it to function as it was intended to. then when it doesn’t you get mad,frustrated,disappointed. nobody bought the maps thinking they would never get to play them. if that was the case they wouldn’t have bought them. i for one would like my money/MS points back because. 343 and MS have not upheld their end of the deal. if they did, then nobody would have made this post to begin with.
> if you buy something expecting it to function as it was intended to. then when it doesn’t you get mad,frustrated,disappointed. nobody bought the maps thinking they would never get to play them. if that was the case they wouldn’t have bought them. i for one would like my money/MS points back because. 343 and MS have not upheld their end of the deal. if they did, then nobody would have made this post to begin with.
Nowhere in the Terms of Use or the description of the DLC does it state that you are guaranteed to use the maps anytime you want in matchmaking. The maps are still available to you at any time in forge or custom games. Therefore Microsoft and 343 are not in breach of the purchase contract you made when you bought the map packs, since you can still access the content at anytime.
I agree, it really is a bummer we don’t get to play our DLC maps.
Instead of going in the same circular arguments… to me the next step would be what H3 did ultimately.
DLC requirements.
Start small with requiring it for Team Slayer like before. Did people get mad? Yes. Did the population drop? Yes.
The bottom line is that the people that supported the game they play got to really enjoy a new variety of maps. If someone wants to keep playing the game online; buy the maps. It becomes that simple.
I know it made a lot of people mad. Honestly tho, it is what it is. It’s simply not fair right now to the people that do support the game / company. To ease the pain I would have at least a half off, preferably 75% off, when the playlist was updated.
If it’s not worth it, its time to find a new game. Again, nobody has to buy anything. I would hope the people that play a ton would have the common sense to realize it’s well worth the 10 bucks. But right now the non-DLC owners are the issue… not the system (they create the broken system of that makes sense).
The population drops. That’s not a good thing.
But this restores the supporters confidence in 343. ‘IF’ you already bought or choose to buy the DLC, you WILL get to play it. U can spend $10 (hopefully more like $2.50 or free if they can) and it will make the game you currently play a lot get WAY better.
Everyone wins (yes, I didn’t forget about the people that CHOSE to play a new game and I hope they have a great time. Please come back when you want to play a much more fun version of the game (DLC maps is the only… ‘Add-on’ for MM).
Honestly, if you KNEW you were buying maps to PLAY instantly, and the $10 still isn’t worth it. Then…
> > > However why wouldn’t people that are still playing the MM on Halo NOT buy the DLC? Like it simply doesn’t make sense.
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> > Here’s why you shouldn’t buy the DLC, it never shows up in playlists. I bought the War Games Map Pass back in spring when it was on sale. I’ve played about 6 matches with DLC maps in non-DLC required playlists. 343 released more maps, which aren’t included in the War Games Map Pass. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice . . .
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> > Furthermore, for the price of a map pack you will never use, you can take that $25 and buy a whole 'nother game instead.
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> I will agree with you. And I made it very clear in my post that I absolutely don’t expect anyone to buy DLC. You have 100% buying power and I’m not going to tell you what to do…
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> However, you are creating the problem, which is sorta funny / ironic (think about it… you’re mad you can’t play maps and…). See, that is the obvious ‘problem to point out about your stance’…
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> But let me get more reasonable / logical and point out how you helped to drive my point from long post above. You can buy a whole new game for 25 bucks like you said… EXACTLY! lol. Why are you still playing? Honest question.
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> Again, I want you to play. I love Halo. I’m not telling you to go away. But if you play, and you enjoy it… why on earth not buy DLC (and then complain about how they never show up). See what I’m saying? Not to be rude, but ‘you’ (as in the majority) are the problem.
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> It simply doesn’t make sense.
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> If you hate the system and don’t wanna buy it b/c ‘screw them’… ya know what, I hear ya. Very valid opinion. Yet you (not ‘you’ I’m just saying in general) are still playing a ton… so buy the maps.
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> I would think the MAJORITY of the TINY minority would have the maps at this point if they STILL play… OR, equally as valid, be fed up and have moved on to another game / activity.
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> It’s not the case. All of the people that still play are the people that are mad and refuse to buy DLC. Go buy that other game you were talking about (:
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The majority of non-DLC players like myself bemoan the DLC conundrum of not buying maps we can never play because not enough players buy maps. In the case of Halo 4, the Crimson Map pack debacle and the pre-determined DLC release schedule did no favors for 343 or players. Perhaps the solution is in microtransactions for cosmetic gear. Then 343 would have the financial incentive to release free maps to increase the player population. Whoa, I just made an argument in favor of microtransactions. Please help me!
> The majority of non-DLC players like myself bemoan the DLC conundrum of not buying maps we can never play because not enough players buy maps. In the case of Halo 4, the Crimson Map pack debacle and the pre-determined DLC release schedule did no favors for 343 or players. Perhaps the solution is in microtransactions for cosmetic gear. <mark>Then 343 would have the financial incentive to release free maps to increase the player population</mark>. Whoa, I just made an argument in favor of microtransactions. Please help me!
343 have no say as to whether or not the DLC is made free. They are simply the game developer, and have nothing to do with anything related to the XBL Marketplace. That is the job of Microsoft’s Maketing department and the XBL Marketplace team, since ultimately they are the ones who decide on promotions and other related options. Not to mention that Microsoft has had a strict DLC policy in place for a few years that doesn’t allow DLC with tied achievements to be made free. These reasons are why Halo 4’s DLC will not be free.
343 ‘duh’ options:
Best: Make DLC requirements to play Team Slayer, Permanent of course. The temporary was literally adding fuel to the ‘don’t buy this it doesn’t have true value’ fire…
Permanent DLC list. Every other week Team 4v4 (applicable maps) and every other week BTB (applicable maps). Always just have one playlist at a time (two would be great, but lets be honest here…)
#2 from above is so obvious that I’ve lost a LOT of faith in 343s collective competence. That is not a bashing comment just to be rude, just an honest opinion.
I mean, 1) is technically the best but ‘some lose’. Who loses in #2? And how much does it restore faith in 343?
Have they stated a reason to not have DLC playlist? To me it seems that there is no realistic reason that makes sense. Anyone? Feel free (:
Would micro-transactions be in Microsoft or 343s control?
I bought the season pass and I mostly play BTB. I do enjoy team slayer and other 4v4 player modes.
It just hit me a few days ago that I have hardly played on any of the DLC maps. I took a break and just got back into Halo 4 and have been playing it a ton for the last month or so, but I am getting bored of the same old maps. I think a lot of people are and that might explain why so many have left the game.
As far as why do people still play the game’s MP and not buy the map packs, consider that you spend your money on the maps and find out that in order for them to actually show up in MP, everyone in the lobby would have had to buy the DLC too. So now it’s a matter of you, as a player that loves the game, buying content that you don’t really get to use when you play public. Why even buy the maps? No reason too if you have to cross your fingers and make a wish and hope that everyone else that you will randomly meet in the lobby also has the maps.
There should be a play list for the maps. Somewhere to go to play on the maps you bought. Make it a random game type event every week, or allow players to vote on a BTB, slayer, and objective game type randomly while voting on only the maps in the map pack. Something that makes buying them worth it for those who don’t want to go making threads and playing in custom games. Truth be told, none of my friends play Halo 4, so custom games isn’t an option for me and many others.
I don’t think I would buy any more DLC maps content for a game, any game unless they have a separate play list for those maps and I know I will be able to use them online.
I love how Gears of War 2 had a rotating maps play list for their DLC maps. Maybe something similar would work here.