Let me start off by saying I like how 343i wants there to be a deeper and more enriching story. Canon multiplayer ha been done in many game like Team Fortress 2 for example but 343i i going horribly wrong with it in Halo 4.
The BIGGER issue I see i 343i is making the multiplayer fit the campaign, not the campaign fit the multiplayer.
Let me elaborate on that. Look at all the things that were taken away for “canon” reasons.
- You can’t play as elites because they are not canon.
- Certain armors gone because they are not canon
- etc
Now this angers me a bit. You can have a great story to go along with multiplayer but don’t remove things from multiplayer to try and make it conform to a strict canon. I feel that “for the sake of canon” is being used too much in terms of excuse to cut things from classic Halo games into Halo 4.
I also think it is funny how multiplayer is supposed to be canon but there are armor skins, weapon skins, and unicorn armor that will MOT LIKELY NEVER SEE IN CAMPAIGN. What justifies that being in multiplayer and not everything ele cut to conform?
I just think the story/plot being involved in MM should be very undertone and not the center focus. People play MM to verse other players, not for campaign. I can respect if 343i wants to incorporate more story into it but DON’T slash things and say it is “canon”.
I like the way Multiplayer is set up as canon with the Campaign from what we’ve seen it’s really awesome. I can’t wait to wear, the Recruit, Warrior, Soldier, and Scout armor sets so I can be a Spartan IV actually on the Infinity.
Yet another complaint thread. By one of the usual suspects.
And where did you hear that certain armor pieces and Elites were taken away because of ‘not being canon’? Last time I checked, they wanted to focus more on the Spartan IVs, so that’s why they removed the Elites.
Some of the armor pieces didn’t make it in because of memory limitations.
> I like the way Multiplayer is set up as canon with the Campaign from what we’ve seen it’s really awesome. I can’t wait to wear, the Recruit, Warrior, Soldier, and Scout armor sets so I can be a Spartan IV actually on the Infinity.
I don’t mind if it is part of a bigger story, I actually think it is cool. BUT, I don’t like how 343i has been cutting multiplayer elements to appeal to a canon they are making.
Ultimately it just lowers the experiences in MM and tries too hard to be part of a bigger picture.
Dude, seriously? Of all the things I’ve seen people complain about this takes the cake from a baby and slaps the kid with it.
You’re seriously faulting them like it’s a mortal sin to remove a few armor meshes and a spartan reskin from MM? This has to the the most petty complaint I’ve seen so far, and I was here for E3.
I think the thing people need to understand here is classic halo was bungie, halo 4 and the rest of the new trilogy is 343i. New art direction new story etc.
Think of it like a child hitting puberty, if you just stayed the same all your life you would still think girls have cooties and still be playing knights and dragons with sticks, Halo is growing up, so has its audience ( I thought).
> Yet another complaint thread. By one of the usual suspects.
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> And where did you hear that certain armor pieces and Elites were taken away because of ‘not being canon’? Last time I checked, they wanted to focus more on the Spartan IVs, so that’s why they removed the Elites.
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> Some of the armor pieces didn’t make it in because of memory limitations.
I like to see this thread as a different opinion than just praise.
“Last time I checked, they wanted to focus more on the Spartan IVs”
I quoted you, you jut agreed that the move to cut elite was done to tell part of the story. I think that i just stupid to remove things like that for canon in MM.
As for the armor pieces, maybe 343i should cut off the unicorn horn to game some more pixel spaces. They have 38 helmets, some bizarre and weird yet they can’t add any classic Halo helmets.
I also like how none of these will probably appear in campaign.
I hate the hypocracy, Multiplayer is canon yet id full of in-canon things. Where is the drawing point, this canon is confusing. If spartans had these bright skins and horns in combat, they would be easy to spot and probably gunned down.
> > I like the way Multiplayer is set up as canon with the Campaign from what we’ve seen it’s really awesome. I can’t wait to wear, the Recruit, Warrior, Soldier, and Scout armor sets so I can be a Spartan IV actually on the Infinity.
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> I don’t mind if it is part of a bigger story, I actually think it is cool. BUT, I don’t like how 343i has been cutting multiplayer elements to appeal to a canon they are making.
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> Ultimately it just lowers the experiences in MM and tries too hard to be part of a bigger picture.
Sometimes there’s just gotta be some cutouts or slices when your making something as big as Halo 4, I as a Halo Player since last Christmas have not experienced a lot of this stuff that the Older Players want to keep for a longer period of time because I mainly play Reach so I’m a Spartan alot. Being what I just said I’m more up to being OK with everything 343 gives us.
I think the point is less “you can’t have armors you wouldn’t see in canon” than it is “all our armors have to at least look like they might show up in canon.” And strictly speaking, every armor system that we’ve seen in Halo 3 and Halo Reach is canon; most of the ones that aren’t returning are either because 343i is taking the art direction somewhere new or there are contractual issues (Hayabusa and Security, for the latter).
You can’t play as an Elite because the Infinity’s VR training is for Spartans. It probably only works because of the neurojacks that UNSC personnel have on the back of their necks. It’s likely Elites either don’t have them, and if they do they’re not compatible. Even if they were compatible, the issue at hand then becomes barring aliens from seeing the (probably classified) training simulations for UNSC Special Forces.
In addition, the storytelling aspect of multiplayer is probably going to be very subdued. As far as I can tell, the only thing linking the two is the use of actual team names rather than generic red and blue teams (though the colors remain).
I applaud 343i’s decision because it assigns more significance to the storytelling while allowing multiplayer to continue more or less as it was. It’s something I’ve always wanted to see. As for why they put the greater emphasis on campaign than multiplayer, maybe they were following Yahtzee’s First Law: “A game must stand on its single-player alone.”
> > > I like the way Multiplayer is set up as canon with the Campaign from what we’ve seen it’s really awesome. I can’t wait to wear, the Recruit, Warrior, Soldier, and Scout armor sets so I can be a Spartan IV actually on the Infinity.
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> > I don’t mind if it is part of a bigger story, I actually think it is cool. BUT, I don’t like how 343i has been cutting multiplayer elements to appeal to a canon they are making.
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> > Ultimately it just lowers the experiences in MM and tries too hard to be part of a bigger picture.
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> Sometimes there’s just gotta be some cutouts or slices when your making something as big as Halo 4, <mark>I as a Halo Player since last Christmas</mark> have not experienced a lot of this stuff that the Older Players want to keep for a longer period of time because I mainly play Reach so I’m a Spartan alot. Being what I just said I’m more up to being OK with everything 343 gives us.
Well there you go
Classic Halo was fun because it had no gimmicks, now we flash forward today and every game has to have them to compete with cod (the most generic of shooters).
I really like how multiplayer has a story and respect 343i for trying to expand on it, but at the same time, I feel things should not be sacrificed to tell a simple story in MM.
> > Yet another complaint thread. By one of the usual suspects.
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> > And where did you hear that certain armor pieces and Elites were taken away because of ‘not being canon’? Last time I checked, they wanted to focus more on the Spartan IVs, so that’s why they removed the Elites.
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> > Some of the armor pieces didn’t make it in because of memory limitations.
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> I like to see this thread as a different opinion than just praise.
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> “Last time I checked, they wanted to focus more on the Spartan IVs”
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> I quoted you, you jut agreed that the move to cut elite was done to tell part of the story. I think that i just stupid to remove things like that for canon in MM.
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> As for the armor pieces, maybe 343i should cut off the unicorn horn to game some more pixel spaces. They have 38 helmets, some bizarre and weird yet they can’t add any classic Halo helmets.
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> I also like how none of these will probably appear in campaign.
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> I hate the hypocracy, Multiplayer is canon yet id full of in-canon things. Where is the drawing point, this canon is confusing. If spartans had these bright skins and horns in combat, they would be easy to spot and probably gunned down.
I’m really sorry for what I’m about to say lol, but think Canon for me a sec. Halo 4 is in the future a bunch of things have evolved since Halo 3’s Campaign so it’s not very Canon like if they kept like the Mark V for so long and we still got the Mark VI so be happy with that and Recruit to my knowledge is like the new ODST. It’s canon so it has had to matched with the past canon to make it look like things have evolved.
343 never claimed that the lack of any of those things were for canon reasons as far as I know. However I ain’t completely certain. But either way the game is looking very promising and I can’t wait.
> I think the point is less “you can’t have armors you wouldn’t see in canon” than it is “all our armors have to at least look like they might show up in canon.” And strictly speaking, every armor system that we’ve seen in Halo 3 and Halo Reach is canon; most of the ones that aren’t returning are either because 343i is taking the art direction somewhere new or there are contractual issues (Hayabusa and Security, for the latter).
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> You can’t play as an Elite because the Infinity’s VR training is for Spartans. It probably only works because of the neurojacks that UNSC personnel have on the back of their necks. It’s likely Elites either don’t have them, and if they do they’re not compatible. Even if they were compatible, the issue at hand then becomes barring aliens from seeing the (probably classified) training simulations for UNSC Special Forces.
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> In addition, the storytelling aspect of multiplayer is probably going to be very subdued. As far as I can tell, the only thing linking the two is the use of actual team names rather than generic red and blue teams (though the colors remain).
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> I applaud 343i’s decision because it assigns more significance to the storytelling while allowing multiplayer to continue more or less as it was. It’s something I’ve always wanted to see. As for why they put the greater emphasis on campaign than multiplayer, maybe they were following Yahtzee’s First Law: “A game must stand on its single-player alone.”
There we go with the story.
I like the expanded universe and the complexity but I don’t think what has been lost is worth what has been gained.
If anything, maybe just have Infinity slayer be the “canon playlist” and everything else non-canon gameplay. I bet that would of probably conveyed the story better. I mean we already have Spartan Ops which is essentially another campaign in itself.
Why are you still here Ken?
You don’t like anything about Halo 4? Why are you here?
It’s an attempt to create more immersion. As well as adding more focus on story. How could you even complain about it?
I haven’t heard anything about armors being removed because they aren’t canon.
first of all when you make something canon…you design to fit the story mode. you dont make the story mode fit the multiplayer.
So, I disagree.
Cool …
I couldn’t care less about CANON …
As long as the game is good im HAPPY .
Complaining again i see Ken?
Well to be honest i really like the fact story will tie into mostly all aspects of the game
You can’t wear ODST helmets because canonically you are Navy and ODST’s are Marines so it just doesn’t make sense. Now, put on your unicorn hat and go play griffball–that’s an order soldier!
> Why are you still here Ken?
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> You don’t like anything about Halo 4? Why are you here?
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> It’s an attempt to create more immersion. As well as adding more focus on story. How could you even complain about it?
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> I haven’t heard anything about armors being removed because they aren’t canon.
Yanno what your first question raises a good point.
I wouldn’t be suprised to see him complain if they came forward and said they were setting the chief back to halo 3 armor and the MM was going to be nothing more than halo 2 reskinned. He would probably call them out for being gutless and giving into complainers and so forth.
> Why are you still here Ken?
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> You don’t like anything about Halo 4? Why are you here?
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> It’s an attempt to create more immersion. As well as adding more focus on story. How could you even complain about it?
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> I haven’t heard anything about armors being removed because they aren’t canon.
I got the Legendary edition of Halo 4 pre-ordered, I am pretty excited.
Doesn’t mean though that there aren’t things I don’t like.
I feel the forums give the fans more of an opportunity to express concerns on the direction of Halo. Nothing can be done for Halo 4 probably but that doesn’t mean we can’t have a voice for Halo 5 and 6.
I like immersion, I commend and respect 343i for doing it. I am saying however it is WRONG to remove tons of things from MM to conform to a canon. It is also wrong to do that then having tons of other non-canon things like armor skins and weapon skins which will never been seen in campaign.
> > Why are you still here Ken?
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> > You don’t like anything about Halo 4? Why are you here?
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> > It’s an attempt to create more immersion. As well as adding more focus on story. How could you even complain about it?
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> > I haven’t heard anything about armors being removed because they aren’t canon.
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> I got the Legendary edition of Halo 4 pre-ordered, I am pretty excited.
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> Doesn’t mean though that there aren’t things I don’t like.
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> I feel the forums give the fans more of an opportunity to express concerns on the direction of Halo. Nothing can be done for Halo 4 probably but that doesn’t mean we can’t have a voice for Halo 5 and 6.
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> I like immersion, I commend and respect 343i for doing it. I am saying however it is WRONG to remove tons of things from MM to conform to a canon. It is also wrong to do that then having tons of other non-canon things like armor skins and weapon skins which will never been seen in campaign.
And where has it been said we won’t see some of the armor permutations and skins on spartan IV’s in the campaign and spartan ops? Links please? Or are you just running on conjecture and paranoia?