Cancel Halo Infinite

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343 has very obviously failed to produce anything.

Hundreds of millions of dollars in development. Years of planning and work. A brand new game engine… and what have we seen? Nothing.

The gameplay reveal is a meme. (COVID is not a valid excuse - game has been in dev for years and was supposed to be shipped this year)

Nothing has been revealed since.

H4 had loadouts??? What??

H5 was an arena shooter with the title “Halo” but wasnt halo. Dont believe me? Look at gameplay that compares the 343 games to the Bungie games.

343 has failed in previous games of the IP and has failed before Infinte was even launched.

Cancel Halo Infinite and fire 343i. Give the franchise to someone who cares.

Look at the viewage of Halo on twitch… its a ghost town. Halo has been failed as a franchise by an incompetent studio that was gifted the IP by Microsoft.

You seem heated.

When i saw that title, I was ready to jump on here and tell you to stick your opinion straight up your poop-chute. Now I see you are just raging…understandably. If its any consolation to you, there is a rumor that has been kind-of verified by Xbox-Mexico that there will be an updated gameplay trailer Nov. 9th with maybe a little more to see. Maybe it can renew your hope for Halo. The same rumor/poster had stated there is a BETA slated for March-April. Could indicate a possible June launch

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> You seem heated.

This^

I understand the frustration, but let’s not cancel Infinite

Understandable reaction to my OP.

But can anyone really disagree with the points raised? I love the original trilogy and had fun with Reach…

Those games were love by MILLIONS and had an active population of hundreds of thousands at their peak. Halo today has less than 2k concurrent viewers at any time on Twitch. 1k if MCC is lucky. Halo streamers are struggling because… no one cares.

CoD vs Halo used to be a legit rivalry. Now Modern Wafare beats MCC by 100 fold viewers any time of the day.

Halo has a very pationate community that loves the game. But that community is made up of 2 or 3 thousand people actively at most.

The gaming community has moved on from Halo. Its no longer relevant. Its maintained as a cash cow for MS.

Is any of this false or can someone counter my arguments with something other than “ooooh you’re raging”…?

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> Understandable reaction to my OP.
>
> But can anyone really disagree with the points raised? I love the original trilogy and had fun with Reach…
>
> Those games were love by MILLIONS and had an active population of hundreds of thousands at their peak. Halo today has less than 2k concurrent viewers at any time on Twitch. 1k if MCC is lucky. Halo streamers are struggling because… no one cares.
>
> CoD vs Halo used to be a legit rivalry. Now Modern Wafare beats MCC by 100 fold viewers any time of the day.
>
> Halo has a very pationate community that loves the game. But that community is made up of 2 or 3 thousand people actively at most.
>
> The gaming community has moved on from Halo. Its no longer relevant. Its maintained as a cash cow for MS.
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> Is any of this false or can someone counter my arguments with something other than “ooooh you’re raging”…?

Nope…but you are raging for sure.

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> > Understandable reaction to my OP.
> >
> > But can anyone really disagree with the points raised? I love the original trilogy and had fun with Reach…
> >
> > Those games were love by MILLIONS and had an active population of hundreds of thousands at their peak. Halo today has less than 2k concurrent viewers at any time on Twitch. 1k if MCC is lucky. Halo streamers are struggling because… no one cares.
> >
> > CoD vs Halo used to be a legit rivalry. Now Modern Wafare beats MCC by 100 fold viewers any time of the day.
> >
> > Halo has a very pationate community that loves the game. But that community is made up of 2 or 3 thousand people actively at most.
> >
> > The gaming community has moved on from Halo. Its no longer relevant. Its maintained as a cash cow for MS.
> >
> > Is any of this false or can someone counter my arguments with something other than “ooooh you’re raging”…?
>
> Nope…but you are raging for sure.

So you have no valid argument.

Have fun playing a dead game.

Halo used to be the best franchise and now no one cares. Can you explain this rapid decline in popularity?

Or will you continue to ignore valid points brought to your attention?

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> > > Understandable reaction to my OP.
> > >
> > > But can anyone really disagree with the points raised? I love the original trilogy and had fun with Reach…
> > >
> > > Those games were love by MILLIONS and had an active population of hundreds of thousands at their peak. Halo today has less than 2k concurrent viewers at any time on Twitch. 1k if MCC is lucky. Halo streamers are struggling because… no one cares.
> > >
> > > CoD vs Halo used to be a legit rivalry. Now Modern Wafare beats MCC by 100 fold viewers any time of the day.
> > >
> > > Halo has a very pationate community that loves the game. But that community is made up of 2 or 3 thousand people actively at most.
> > >
> > > The gaming community has moved on from Halo. Its no longer relevant. Its maintained as a cash cow for MS.
> > >
> > > Is any of this false or can someone counter my arguments with something other than “ooooh you’re raging”…?
> >
> > Nope…but you are raging for sure.
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> Halo used to be the best franchise and now no one cares. Can you explain this rapid decline in popularity?

Easy, the last two games weren’t the best in the franchise, it caused Halo players to stray to other games.

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> > > > Understandable reaction to my OP.
> > > >
> > > > But can anyone really disagree with the points raised? I love the original trilogy and had fun with Reach…
> > > >
> > > > Those games were love by MILLIONS and had an active population of hundreds of thousands at their peak. Halo today has less than 2k concurrent viewers at any time on Twitch. 1k if MCC is lucky. Halo streamers are struggling because… no one cares.
> > > >
> > > > CoD vs Halo used to be a legit rivalry. Now Modern Wafare beats MCC by 100 fold viewers any time of the day.
> > > >
> > > > Halo has a very pationate community that loves the game. But that community is made up of 2 or 3 thousand people actively at most.
> > > >
> > > > The gaming community has moved on from Halo. Its no longer relevant. Its maintained as a cash cow for MS.
> > > >
> > > > Is any of this false or can someone counter my arguments with something other than “ooooh you’re raging”…?
> > >
> > > Nope…but you are raging for sure.
> >
> > Halo used to be the best franchise and now no one cares. Can you explain this rapid decline in popularity?
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> Easy, the last two games weren’t the best in the franchise, it caused Halo players to stray to other games.

You are proving my point. 343’s games are lack luster… putting it nicely.

In reality, they are different games under the Halo title… must be why the Halo population left.

343 doesnt know what a Halo game is. Give the franchise to another studio or change senior studio leadership.

Ragers gotta rage. Trollers gotta troll. Hard to differentiate sometimes…

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> Ragers gotta rage. Trollers gotta troll. Hard to differentiate sometimes…

Why cant you come up with any real and significant counter argument?

I love the Halo franchise. I am not a troll. I am deeply unimpressed with 343s track record.

How is this “rage”…?

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> > > Understandable reaction to my OP.
> > >
> > > But can anyone really disagree with the points raised? I love the original trilogy and had fun with Reach…
> > >
> > > Those games were love by MILLIONS and had an active population of hundreds of thousands at their peak. Halo today has less than 2k concurrent viewers at any time on Twitch. 1k if MCC is lucky. Halo streamers are struggling because… no one cares.
> > >
> > > CoD vs Halo used to be a legit rivalry. Now Modern Wafare beats MCC by 100 fold viewers any time of the day.
> > >
> > > Halo has a very pationate community that loves the game. But that community is made up of 2 or 3 thousand people actively at most.
> > >
> > > The gaming community has moved on from Halo. Its no longer relevant. Its maintained as a cash cow for MS.
> > >
> > > Is any of this false or can someone counter my arguments with something other than “ooooh you’re raging”…?
> >
> > Nope…but you are raging for sure.
>
> So you have no valid argument.
>
> Have fun playing a dead game.
>
> Halo used to be the best franchise and now no one cares. Can you explain this rapid decline in popularity?
>
> Or will you continue to ignore valid points brought to your attention?

Woah there space cowboy, pump the brakes on your warthog. I’m not sure how I became a voice for 343i and i would implore you to find one post where I claimed such. I can only fathom that it had something to do with pointing out the rage you are experiencing but I love a challenge so let me give this a try: Population/popularity= Considering Halo launched nearly 20 years ago that would put me at 12 years old. This was at the time, next generation gaming which would be the OG Xbox/PS1. These games essentially revolutionized the industry and were ground breaking for their time. The original player base was hardcore into gaming since this was the latest/greatest thing to hit the markets. People would actually go to each others house to play these whether it was the original CE to H3 mp (which is roughly where i would assume the “greatest time for halo” existed. Also when the “rivalry” you speak of was at his height. Which is why the original trilogy is always and probably will always be the bar which the standard was set but its impossible to replicate. IE: since we are nearing the Halloween season; what are the best Halloween movies? Halloween, the original Exorcist, etc. Yes movies has been innovated and brought back to life like ‘IT’ but the originals are the classics and thats why they have such a following. Same applies to Halo CE - H3.

Now taking into consideration that most of the base player base at this time was coming into there late teenage years/early 20’s they would begin the great journey and start figuring out the great mysteries of life/beginning what adults consider “life”. Eventually those same players had to actually start lives of their own and I’d imagine “gaming” wasn’t/isn’t exactly a priority in their lives anymore. Kids come, bills need to be paid, OT worked, etc. ya know, basic life essentials. So there’s part of my answer regarding its population.

Now as society unfolded we find ourselves where we are today where everything goes viral for a few weeks and then is dead. This is just the way of the world now, we want it how we want it and we want it yesterday. Keep in mind that Halo puts out a new game once every 5 years+ (talking the main title line FPS’s here). Whereas COD pumps out a new game with the same formula every year basically (plus or minus). So its quite easy to assume COD will keep a larger player base given they have a new game out as often as they do. I figured it would also be worth mentioning that Halo is a Microsoft exclusive, where COD is sold across all platforms (so right there the population count can literally be sliced by roughly 50-60% of gamers based on your desired console). Mathmatically you literally cannot have the same amount of player base so why its population doesn’t match is pretty easy to determine based on this paragraph.

You can also consider that the Sci-Fi genre which Halo would fall into isn’t exactly everyones cup of tea. Most people who want to play shooters want the “realism” factor so COD is the go to since it mimics actual wartime events that have happened in our society, not to mention there are plenty. Halo is based 500 some years into the future so it really doesn’t have a playbook aka ‘History’ to go off of.

I honestly believe that societal factors play a huge part in why a game which is 5 years old doesn’t have the same population of a game that came out last year, 6 months ago, etc. Kids today are always jumping on the latest games/fads, etc. because thats how the world works nowadays. So they jump from COD, to Destiny, to other titles as they are released because of the options that are laid out before them (which continue to grow exponentially compared to what was offered 20 years ago, heck even 10 years ago). It is what it is I suppose. Now the handling of the Halo series by 343i hasn’t been on par with the remaining core community has expected/wanted, that much i can agree with you on.

The rapid decline has happened because Halo doesn’t pump out games every year to keep people coming back. That much is obvious with all the aforementioned reasons above. It is literally driven by societal standards. Pretty sure that answered all your questions/concerns regarding Halo. Sorry for the late response, I had to pick my kid up and then get him to bed since I just got off work…ya know life sometimes takes priority over a forum. Considering that we’ve seen 8 min of actual gameplay and your announcing Halo is dead though makes total sense.

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> > > Understandable reaction to my OP.
> > >
> > > But can anyone really disagree with the points raised? I love the original trilogy and had fun with Reach…
> > >
> > > Those games were love by MILLIONS and had an active population of hundreds of thousands at their peak. Halo today has less than 2k concurrent viewers at any time on Twitch. 1k if MCC is lucky. Halo streamers are struggling because… no one cares.
> > >
> > > CoD vs Halo used to be a legit rivalry. Now Modern Wafare beats MCC by 100 fold viewers any time of the day.
> > >
> > > Halo has a very pationate community that loves the game. But that community is made up of 2 or 3 thousand people actively at most.
> > >
> > > The gaming community has moved on from Halo. Its no longer relevant. Its maintained as a cash cow for MS.
> > >
> > > Is any of this false or can someone counter my arguments with something other than “ooooh you’re raging”…?
> >
> > Nope…but you are raging for sure.
>
> So you have no valid argument.
>
> Have fun playing a dead game.
>
> Halo used to be the best franchise and now no one cares. Can you explain this rapid decline in popularity?
>
> Or will you continue to ignore valid points brought to your attention?

Take it down a notch, would you? We’re in a dry period between major title releases, what did you expect? I wouldn’t proclaim a game (and by extension, franchise) dead when it hasn’t even released yet. Believe me buddy, with this community, there will be plenty of time for complaining after release.

And keep in mind, Halo took the world by storm in 2001. It peaked only a few years later. Who honestly expected that 20 years later this franchise would be able to sustain the same popularity when the number of FPS’s on the market has boomed exponentially from like 3 to 6,200? (Citation needed.)

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> > > > Understandable reaction to my OP.
> > > >
> > > > But can anyone really disagree with the points raised? I love the original trilogy and had fun with Reach…
> > > >
> > > > Those games were love by MILLIONS and had an active population of hundreds of thousands at their peak. Halo today has less than 2k concurrent viewers at any time on Twitch. 1k if MCC is lucky. Halo streamers are struggling because… no one cares.
> > > >
> > > > CoD vs Halo used to be a legit rivalry. Now Modern Wafare beats MCC by 100 fold viewers any time of the day.
> > > >
> > > > Halo has a very pationate community that loves the game. But that community is made up of 2 or 3 thousand people actively at most.
> > > >
> > > > The gaming community has moved on from Halo. Its no longer relevant. Its maintained as a cash cow for MS.
> > > >
> > > > Is any of this false or can someone counter my arguments with something other than “ooooh you’re raging”…?
> > >
> > > Nope…but you are raging for sure.
> >
> > So you have no valid argument.
> >
> > Have fun playing a dead game.
> >
> > Halo used to be the best franchise and now no one cares. Can you explain this rapid decline in popularity?
> >
> > Or will you continue to ignore valid points brought to your attention?
>
> Woah there space cowboy, pump the brakes on your warthog. I’m not sure how I became a voice for 343i and i would implore you to find one post where I claimed such. I can only fathom that it had something to do with pointing out the rage you are experiencing but I love a challenge so let me give this a try: Population/popularity= Considering Halo launched nearly 20 years ago that would put me at 12 years old. This was at the time, next generation gaming which would be the OG Xbox/PS1. These games essentially revolutionized the industry and were ground breaking for their time. The original player base was hardcore into gaming since this was the latest/greatest thing to hit the markets. People would actually go to each others house to play these whether it was the original CE to H3 mp (which is roughly where i would assume the “greatest time for halo” existed. Also when the “rivalry” you speak of was at his height. Which is why the original trilogy is always and probably will always be the bar which the standard was set but its impossible to replicate. IE: since we are nearing the Halloween season; what are the best Halloween movies? Halloween, the original Exorcist, etc. Yes movies has been innovated and brought back to life like ‘IT’ but the originals are the classics and thats why they have such a following. Same applies to Halo CE - H3.
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> Now taking into consideration that most of the base player base at this time was coming into there late teenage years/early 20’s they would begin the great journey and start figuring out the great mysteries of life/beginning what adults consider “life”. Eventually those same players had to actually start lives of their own and I’d imagine “gaming” wasn’t/isn’t exactly a priority in their lives anymore. Kids come, bills need to be paid, OT worked, etc. ya know, basic life essentials. So there’s part of my answer regarding its population.
>
> Now as society unfolded we find ourselves where we are today where everything goes viral for a few weeks and then is dead. This is just the way of the world now, we want it how we want it and we want it yesterday. Keep in mind that Halo puts out a new game once every 5 years+ (talking the main title line FPS’s here). Whereas COD pumps out a new game with the same formula every year basically (plus or minus). So its quite easy to assume COD will keep a larger player base given they have a new game out as often as they do. I figured it would also be worth mentioning that Halo is a Microsoft exclusive, where COD is sold across all platforms (so right there the population count can literally be sliced by roughly 50-60% of gamers based on your desired console). Mathmatically you literally cannot have the same amount of player base so why its population doesn’t match is pretty easy to determine based on this paragraph.
>
> You can also consider that the Sci-Fi genre which Halo would fall into isn’t exactly everyones cup of tea. Most people who want to play shooters want the “realism” factor so COD is the go to since it mimics actual wartime events that have happened in our society, not to mention there are plenty. Halo is based 500 some years into the future so it really doesn’t have a playbook aka ‘History’ to go off of.
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> I honestly believe that societal factors play a huge part in why a game which is 5 years old doesn’t have the same population of a game that came out last year, 6 months ago, etc. Kids today are always jumping on the latest games/fads, etc. because thats how the world works nowadays. So they jump from COD, to Destiny, to other titles as they are released because of the options that are laid out before them (which continue to grow exponentially compared to what was offered 20 years ago, heck even 10 years ago). It is what it is I suppose. Now the handling of the Halo series by 343i hasn’t been on par with the remaining core community has expected/wanted, that much i can agree with you on.
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> The rapid decline has happened because Halo doesn’t pump out games every year to keep people coming back. That much is obvious with all the aforementioned reasons above. It is literally driven by societal standards. Pretty sure that answered all your questions/concerns regarding Halo. Sorry for the late response, I had to pick my kid up and then get him to bed since I just got off work…ya know life sometimes takes priority over a forum. Considering that we’ve seen 8 min of actual gameplay and your announcing Halo is dead though makes total sense.

I totally agree with everything you said… but I think a lot of it is a result of how 343 has treated the franchise.

I think 343 has caused the issues you are reffering to. Of course they cant keep up with a non-exclusive game like CoD… but 110k average viewers vs 500 - 1k is am abysmal comparison.

343 needs to do better. SHOULD have done better after the failure of halo 4 and the initial months of MCC. Halo 5 did not hit that bar. Halo 3’s formula would have lasted 5 years, its only because of Reach’s release that it didnt. Halo doesnt need yearly releases - it just needs GOPD releases. And 343 cant meet that bar.

Is over 8 years running the franchise into ruin not enough proof? Do we need to see Halo Infinite after the terrible things we have seen so far?

Start over. Get a new studio. Clear house. Halo deserves better.

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> > > > Understandable reaction to my OP.
> > > >
> > > > But can anyone really disagree with the points raised? I love the original trilogy and had fun with Reach…
> > > >
> > > > Those games were love by MILLIONS and had an active population of hundreds of thousands at their peak. Halo today has less than 2k concurrent viewers at any time on Twitch. 1k if MCC is lucky. Halo streamers are struggling because… no one cares.
> > > >
> > > > CoD vs Halo used to be a legit rivalry. Now Modern Wafare beats MCC by 100 fold viewers any time of the day.
> > > >
> > > > Halo has a very pationate community that loves the game. But that community is made up of 2 or 3 thousand people actively at most.
> > > >
> > > > The gaming community has moved on from Halo. Its no longer relevant. Its maintained as a cash cow for MS.
> > > >
> > > > Is any of this false or can someone counter my arguments with something other than “ooooh you’re raging”…?
> > >
> > > Nope…but you are raging for sure.
> >
> > So you have no valid argument.
> >
> > Have fun playing a dead game.
> >
> > Halo used to be the best franchise and now no one cares. Can you explain this rapid decline in popularity?
> >
> > Or will you continue to ignore valid points brought to your attention?
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> Take it down a notch, would you? We’re in a dry period between major title releases, what did you expect? I wouldn’t proclaim a game (and by extension, franchise) dead when it hasn’t even released yet. Believe me buddy, with this community, there will be plenty of time for complaining after release.
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> And keep in mind, Halo took the world by storm in 2001. It peaked only a few years later. Who honestly expected that 20 years later this franchise would be able to sustain the same popularity when the number of FPS’s on the market has boomed exponentially from like 3 to 6,200? (Citation needed.)

CoD has been around just as long and has suffered terrible games but has managed to bring it back to become one of the most popular games on the scene. Halo needs that kind of course correction that Modern Warfare was for CoD.

343 has failed in this - evidenced in 5 years of dev for a game that we have seen 5 minutes of… that then became a meme because it was so bad.

This isnt hyperbole.

Certainly 343 did not understand the far reaching consequences of muddying the definition of what Halo is, and were certainly reckless in their handling of it (and before I get a single response talking about Reach, I would like to pre-emptively strike and say that 1) I’ll give Bungie 10% credit for muddying the definition of Halo, still puts 343 at primary blame and my statement still stands, and 2) 343 knew the reaction to Reach and went forward with exacerbating it’s problems anyway, while managing to introduce entirely new problems that were not brought about by Bungie).

However, to say that 343’s games haven’t had success is false, even while the successes of these games isn’t on par with previous entries. Not to mention the fact that the make-up of 343 is quite different this time around, having reshaped and rehired a lot of the studio; the same 343 that made Halo 4 or 5 is not making Infinite. They’ve shown promise with Infinite, they just need to polish it up.

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> CoD vs Halo used to be a legit rivalry. Now Modern Wafare beats MCC by 100 fold viewers any time of the day.

The answers to this is very simple: MCC is not a new game. when it was first announced on PC, Halo fans had this delusion for some reason that MCC was going to be averaging tens of thousands of players consistently while the Xbox One edition wasn’t even managing that. The fact is that MCC is a collection of old games, the oldest of which is nearly 20 years old. And how old is Modern Warfare? Barely under a year old. People critique the annual release model because it lowers the chances of a good game putting out, and rightfully so, but there are obvious benefits to that- think of how people buy the new iPhone simply because it’s new, now relate that to how even though the new CoD is basically the same thing as the old one, a lot of people want it. Meanwhile, Halo hasn’t released a genuinely new game in 5 years (also, it was restricted to a single platform).

This is without mentioning the consistent flow of new content that Modern Warfare provides to it’s players, primarily through (and these are spooky words for some people on this forum) it’s Battle Royale, which is going strong- strong enough for it to be continued into the new and upcoming Black Ops: Cold War.

Needless to say, there are other factors going into Halo’s decline than simply “343 bad”.

> 343 has very obviously failed to produce anything.

Not really? I mean, we’ve seen about 8 minutes recently as well as different behind the scenes stuff for Infinite alone. Sorry if you didn’t like their previous installments.

> Hundreds of millions of dollars in development. Years of planning and work. A brand new game engine… and what have we seen? Nothing.

Incorrect, we’ve seen tests for their engine, we’ve seen gameplay, we’ve seen behind the scenes footage of recorded stuff. Unless you’re working on the project and know something we don’t, you can’t really say we’ve seen ‘nothing’.

> The gameplay reveal is a meme. (COVID is not a valid excuse - game has been in dev for years and was supposed to be shipped this year)

I feel like a lot of people just say that because it makes their statement feel relevant to something “it’s such a meme”. Also, Covid has drastically slowed things down at the end of the run, the delay is purely a response to the community, something they promised they would do. You know, because they said they are actually taking our feedback to heart to give us the best experience.

> Nothing has been revealed since.

Phil Spencer apparently just tried a recent build a few weeks ago and has high hopes for it. So while we haven’t directly seen any updates, I’m fine with that because they can’t show us an update every single week or even every single month. The reveal was no more than 3 months ago, it’s not like a year has gone by with no word about it.

> H4 had loadouts???
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> What??H5 was an arena shooter with the title “Halo” but wasnt halo. Dont believe me? Look at gameplay that compares the 343 games to the Bungie games.

Yes, 343 wanted to try something new and it wasn’t well received, as indicated by a lack of said loadouts in 5. Also, can we please move passed this? Stop comparing two different companies for their choices on making a game. 343 is not Bungie, Bungie threw the reigns away and jumped ship to make another game and 343 was given them. 343 is not Bungie and the old days of Halo are gone. Sad as it is we can’t simply just mope about and complain about 343 not living up to Bungie’s standards when Bungie didn’t even want to make a sequel to CE at first (or rather, one of the creators didn’t like making sequels). It’s like complaining that your dad doesn’t cut the crust off your PB&J sandwich the way mom does. You can still enjoy it, it’s just going to be much different.

Is Halo 5 more like a modern day arena shooter vastly changing it from what Halo was? Yeah, but that’s not the worst thing in the world, a new generation of gamers exists and we can’t simply exclude them by repeating an old formula. As the older generation, we should pride ourselves on being more flexible to the changes we witness in games. We may not always like it, but that’s just how change is.

A true Halo experience isn’t what we hold onto, it’s how we enjoy it.

> 343 has failed in previous games of the IP and has failed before Infinte was even launched.

Perhaps they failed to live up to your expectations, but they by no means have failed to create a game worth enjoying.

> Cancel Halo Infinite and fire 343i. Give the franchise to someone who cares.

No, we are not canceling a game this far into development. Who would you even say could make it ‘like Bungie’? Microsoft is not about to juggle the Halo title after all of the hard work and effort 343 has put into the series at this point. They are doing their best, perhaps try giving helpful feedback and you might see something you like. No promises though.

> Look at the viewage of Halo on twitch… its a ghost town. Halo has been failed as a franchise by an incompetent studio that was gifted the IP by Microsoft.

Who cares? Like honestly, when did we come to a point where a game’s entertainment value and play value is determined by how many people stream it on twitch? In case you haven’t noticed, people on twitch tend to bounce between games and usually pick the esports scene to get attention.

Let me ask you this; if you’re playing a game purely to get attention, are you truly having fun? Or is it just a means to a paycheck? Granted you can have both occasionally, but you should be playing a game purely because you enjoy playing it. Not because (insert streamer here) is playing it with 20k+ viewers or because 100-500 streamers are streaming it live day in and day out. Twitch is just a means to give attention to games while delivering content to generate money. In fact, if you look up games like Overwatch, they too are in a low viewership, a game that no one would shut up about 4-5 years ago has very few streamers anymore but the game is still very much alive and enjoyed.

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> > Ragers gotta rage. Trollers gotta troll. Hard to differentiate sometimes…
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> Why cant you come up with any real and significant counter argument?
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> I love the Halo franchise. I am not a troll. I am deeply unimpressed with 343s track record.
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> How is this “rage”…?

The tone of your post is clearly pointing towards rage.

As many here are already pointing out…

343 has already produced and shown a fair bit. I agree that the current PR lock down is frustrating (and even damaging) but we know they are hard at work.

The ‘hundreds of millions’ of dollars is probably an exaggeration.

The Craig meme was funny… but almost any early access to a game can have a funny shot extracted from it.

COVID is a huge excuse. I can’t imagine how working from home must be for a huge software project like this. On-site builds and renders would take ages alone… but to have to do everything piece meal back and forwards to the servers at work… man that must suck.

Load-outs in H4 have been and gone. Get over it.

H5 was (and is) an awesome arena shooter. It’s not for you to decide it is / isn’t Halo for everyone. I love Halo… have for a loooong time. And I love H5 multiplayer.

Why would Halo viewing be high now? It’s been 5 years since the last title. Just need to be patient.

I don’t think 343 have ‘failed’ the franchise. I do think H4 multiplayer was a misstep. The H5 campaign suffered from the pre-game hype - but ended up being OK - and pretty much what you expect from the middle story of a trilogy. It just didn’t match the story teases before hand. But the H4 campaign and (especially) the H5 multiplayer have been great.

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> H4 had loadouts??? What??

Halo Reach had loadouts ??? What ??

Anyone that’s been here for a signifcant amount of time will confirm I’m not 343’s biggest fan at this time, I do think they could do better by Halo, and my personal opinion is the reveal was a joke and not to my liking at all.

However. You cannot blame them for loadouts, Bungie started that and sprint and armour abilities and jetpacks with Reach. Bungie are the ones to blame imo. Sure, 343i continued with some things but they also fixed a few things.

In my opinion, the player base is now split, we have the classic v modern fans, and Bungie is the only one to blame for that. Bungie changed Halo forever with Reach, 343i are in the awkward position of trying to find a common ground in a very divided fan base.

The Game is gonna be Great you just have to give it some time