Come on 343, playlists like Multi-Team or BTB should be DLC required by this point
No playlist should be DLC required unless its a DLC playlist
> No playlist should be DLC required unless its a DLC playlist
I get from your comment that you didn’t purcahse any DLC and feel like you should have priviledge over those who did when getting the playlist selection?
> > No playlist should be DLC required unless its a DLC playlist
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> I get from your comment that you didn’t purcahse any DLC and feel like you should have priviledge over those who did when getting the playlist selection?
If the maps I got from Anniversary don’t count then no I didn’t purchase any DLC
I agree. It has already been a year and a half since launch, but we only have ONE playlist. If they could implement Team Slayer, BTB, and Objective DLC playlists, I’m sure that would be enough for now. Some of the achievements in Reach are almost impossible now, unless you have a full party, because the DLC maps NEVER come up in regular playlists. It’s unfair to the people who spent money on the maps. (Don’t get me wrong… I do appreciate that 343 added a DLC playlist, I’d just like a bit more support for them.)
> I agree. It has already been a year and a half since launch, but we only have ONE playlist. If they could implement Team Slayer, BTB, and Objective DLC playlists, I’m sure that would be enough for now. Some of the achievements in Reach are almost impossible now, unless you have a full party, because the DLC maps NEVER come up in regular playlists. It’s unfair to the people who spent money on the maps. (Don’t get me wrong… I do appreciate that 343 added a DLC playlist, I’d just like a bit more support for them.)
The lack of players playing the DLC playlist shows the clear intrest for DLC maps, very low, or the amount of players who actually own them.
DLC required playlists are a bad idea, I constantly re-use this example, in the March MM Update, 343i accidentally made Big Team Battle DLC required, the population before the update was 3-4k players, this instantly dropped down to 1.8k players, that is a lot of players being cut off from their favourite playlist and if it just continues to happen, that is a lot of unhappy customers being blocked off from their favourite playlist, telling them to move somewhere else isn’t a solution, nor is buying it, some people can’t buy it whether it is due to child account limitations or lack on money.
I don’t care if the population drops, I spent 30$ on maps and I damn well expect to play them. If they truly enjoy playing their playlist that much they will purchase the dlc.
> > I agree. It has already been a year and a half since launch, but we only have ONE playlist. If they could implement Team Slayer, BTB, and Objective DLC playlists, I’m sure that would be enough for now. Some of the achievements in Reach are almost impossible now, unless you have a full party, because the DLC maps NEVER come up in regular playlists. It’s unfair to the people who spent money on the maps. (Don’t get me wrong… I do appreciate that 343 added a DLC playlist, I’d just like a bit more support for them.)
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> The lack of players playing the DLC playlist shows the clear intrest for DLC maps, very low, or the amount of players who actually own them.
Or the people who actually own them have no interest in playing vanilla reach…that’s the case with everyone I know.
If you don’t think some playlists like Invasion or Super Slayer shouldn’t require at least one Map Pack, then something is wrong.
At least at the simplest to give Invasion the map Break-Point.
You need to give people the incentive to get these maps.
And one playlist with everything smashed together is not a good one.
People don’t have them now because there’s no support for them, and I wouldn’t have gotten the maps if I knew that beforehand.
Halo 3 had dedicated DLC playlists too, but eventually they made a bigger push for support by making playlists like BTB require them.
The double XP playlists did as well.
Maybe 343 just needs to pull a similar move and introduce a playlist that gives off double credit rewards and make that require at least the first two map packs.
Either way, probably going to end up just deleting them off my hard drive to clear up some space for the Battlefield 3 update coming soon now. Got less than a gig and these maps are sadly taking up space.
> The lack of players playing the DLC playlist shows the clear intrest for DLC maps, very low, or the amount of players who actually own them.
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> DLC required playlists are a bad idea, I constantly re-use this example, in the March MM Update, 343i accidentally made Big Team Battle DLC required, the population before the update was 3-4k players, this instantly dropped down to 1.8k players, that is a lot of players being cut off from their favourite playlist and if it just continues to happen, that is a lot of unhappy customers being blocked off from their favourite playlist, telling them to move somewhere else isn’t a solution, nor is buying it, some people can’t buy it whether it is due to child account limitations or lack on money.
Are you kidding me? The Squad DLC playlist with its Highlands AR starts isn’t a good example of a proper DLC-only playlist. You don’t even need to have the Anniversary maps to play in it.
Players being “cut off from their favorite playlist” should strongly consider on purchasing the DLC then, if they consider that to be such a nuisance. DLC purchasers have already had the Noble Map Pack playlist removed, the Defiant Map Pack playlist removed, the Premium Slayer playlist removed, the Premium Battle playlist removed, and the Anniversary Squad playlist removed! 343 has even threatened on removing the Squad DLC playlist all together!
TALK ABOUT PLAYERS BEING CUT OFF FROM THEIR FAVOURITE PLAYLISTS!. Those are plenty of “unhappy customers” that were already blocked off from their only source of DLC content, and seeing how Reach’s Default maps are extremely inferior to the DLC maps, I strongly consider those playlists were too the favorites of many.
Those who bought DLC DESERVE to have priority over those who didn’t spend the money to enhance their experience. Playlists like Multi-Team or Action Sack should begin to be DLC-required. It’s been a long time already.
343, you’ve really screwed plenty of DLC purchasers. What’s the point in buying any DLC if there are no playlists to play the maps in?
> > > I agree. It has already been a year and a half since launch, but we only have ONE playlist. If they could implement Team Slayer, BTB, and Objective DLC playlists, I’m sure that would be enough for now. Some of the achievements in Reach are almost impossible now, unless you have a full party, because the DLC maps NEVER come up in regular playlists. It’s unfair to the people who spent money on the maps. (Don’t get me wrong… I do appreciate that 343 added a DLC playlist, I’d just like a bit more support for them.)
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> > The lack of players playing the DLC playlist shows the clear intrest for DLC maps, very low, or the amount of players who actually own them.
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> Or the people who actually own them have no interest in playing vanilla reach…that’s the case with everyone I know.
Or they have no interest in waiting 30 minutes to find a match, population is very low when I am usually online.
Or they have no interest in playing 6v6 on maps designed for 4v4 and 8v8.
> > The lack of players playing the DLC playlist shows the clear intrest for DLC maps, very low, or the amount of players who actually own them.
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> > DLC required playlists are a bad idea, I constantly re-use this example, in the March MM Update, 343i accidentally made Big Team Battle DLC required, the population before the update was 3-4k players, this instantly dropped down to 1.8k players, that is a lot of players being cut off from their favourite playlist and if it just continues to happen, that is a lot of unhappy customers being blocked off from their favourite playlist, telling them to move somewhere else isn’t a solution, nor is buying it, some people can’t buy it whether it is due to child account limitations or lack on money.
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> Are you kidding me? The Squad DLC playlist with its Highlands AR starts isn’t a good example of a proper DLC-only playlist. You don’t even need to have the Anniversary maps to play in it.
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> <mark>If they kept the Anniversary map pack requirement, the playlist would have been long dead already, and considering Anniversary does have another three playlist for multiplayer, it wasn’t needed, as for AR starts on Highlands, you guys asked for a DLC playlist, you got it, if you don’t like AR starts on Highlands, don’t vote for it or quit if it comes up, then submit your feedback on the forums</mark>.
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> Players being “cut off from their favorite playlist” should strongly consider on purchasing the DLC then, if they consider that to be such a nuisance. DLC purchasers have already had the Noble Map Pack playlist removed, the Defiant Map Pack playlist removed, the Premium Slayer playlist removed, the Premium Battle playlist removed, and the Anniversary Squad playlist removed! 343 has even threatened on removing the Squad DLC playlist all together!
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> <mark>All these playlists were removed due to their poor popularity, there is no point in trying to use the TU & Vanilla argument as used below, the Vanilla playlists had horrible populations, and it still does now, adding TU will hardly bring a huge influx of players to the Squad DLC playlist</mark>.
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> TALK ABOUT PLAYERS BEING CUT OFF FROM THEIR FAVOURITE PLAYLISTS!. Those are plenty of “unhappy customers” that were already blocked off from their only source of DLC content, and seeing how Reach’s Default maps are extremely inferior to the DLC maps, I strongly consider those playlists were too the favorites of many.
> <mark>If they were the favourites of many, then the numbers certainly didn’t show it, hence the playlists removal(s) in the end, Squad DLC is only sticking around now for people to get achievements, I won’t be surprised if it was removed in the near future.</mark>
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> Those who bought DLC DESERVE to have priority over those who didn’t spend the money to enhance their experience. Playlists like Multi-Team or Action Sack should begin to be DLC-required. It’s been a long time already.
> <mark>This is what I don’t get, you guys think you are suddenly better than everyone who doesn’t own the DLC, you were not promised any thing special, heck you were not promised a DLC playlist when you purchased it, you were promised the ability to play the maps in Customs & Forge, consider the DLC playlist a spot of luck & care than a luxury.</mark>
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> 343, you’ve really screwed plenty of DLC purchasers. What’s the point in buying any DLC if there are no playlists to play the maps in?
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> <mark>If people bucked their ideas up and put money towards the DLC, it would show up a lot more common in the default playlists, the algorithm works great, when I search with a full party, DLC comes up so often, Reach’s DLC sold poor, hence the lack of support it got from 343i & Bungie.</mark>
I dished out the $60 for the full game experience, I don’t see why I should have to pay an “upkeep” charge in the form of DLC to keep playing it. If 343 wants to make the playlists DLC only, they should make the DLC eventually free, like it was done in Halo 2.
I bought all the map packs. I’m extremely disappointed that I rarely ever get to play DLC maps in matchmaking. I remember Tempest came up in BTB few weeks ago twice in a row and it was such a pleasant surprise because what are the odds of all 16 players having the DLC maps?
This is the third Halo game with DLC maps and they STILL haven’t even added a “Players with DLC” search restriction or at least attempt to match players with DLC maps together.
It’s such a waste of money: $20 for 5 maps I rarely ever get to play on. Anniversary maps aren’t that big of a problem because they have their own playlists.
If 343 doesn’t fix this huge issue in Halo 4, I’m not going to buy any more map packs.
> If people bucked their ideas up and put money towards the DLC, it would show up a lot more common in the default playlists, the algorithm works great, when I search with a full party, DLC comes up so often, Reach’s DLC sold poor, hence the lack of support it got from 343i & Bungie.
Lol this is just perfect.
“the algorithm works great, when I search with a full party”… NO KIDDING. So what’s the solution for DLC owners, actively hunt for a full-party to schmooze with before they can actually play the maps they payed for (outside of the laughable 6v6 setting)? No thanks.
OP, whenever I’m searching alone or with like 1 other guy and DLC does pop up, it’s anniversary DLC 8 times out of 10. Maybe that’s just my experience, but making that required in a handful of playlists (arena, objective, BTB, super slayer if it stays) seems like a good, relatively risk-free way to start with this.
> > If people bucked their ideas up and put money towards the DLC, it would show up a lot more common in the default playlists, the algorithm works great, when I search with a full party, DLC comes up so often, Reach’s DLC sold poor, hence the lack of support it got from 343i & Bungie.
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> Lol this is just perfect.
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> “the algorithm works great, when I search with a full party”… NO KIDDING. So what’s the solution for DLC owners, actively hunt for a full-party to schmooze with before they can actually play the maps they payed for (outside of the laughable 6v6 setting)? No thanks.
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> OP, whenever I’m searching alone or with like 1 other guy and DLC does pop up, it’s anniversary DLC 8 times out of 10. Maybe that’s just my experience, but making that required in a handful of playlists (arena, objective, BTB, super slayer if it stays) seems like a good, relatively risk-free way to start with this.
Apologies for having a comma and not a full stop.
I intended to say, the algorithm works great. When I search with a full party, DLC comes up so often.
My point still stands, Reach’s DLC sold poor, no matter how much you tweak the algorithm, it all depends on the players online, who own the map packs you own, who live in a relatively close area to you, with a decent connection & attempt to have a non-laggy games, it takes a lot more into account than just finding DLC players.
> > I agree. It has already been a year and a half since launch, but we only have ONE playlist. If they could implement Team Slayer, BTB, and Objective DLC playlists, I’m sure that would be enough for now. Some of the achievements in Reach are almost impossible now, unless you have a full party, because the DLC maps NEVER come up in regular playlists. It’s unfair to the people who spent money on the maps. (Don’t get me wrong… I do appreciate that 343 added a DLC playlist, I’d just like a bit more support for them.)
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> The lack of players playing the DLC playlist shows the clear intrest for DLC maps, very low, or the amount of players who actually own them.
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> DLC required playlists are a bad idea, I constantly re-use this example, in the March MM Update, 343i accidentally made Big Team Battle DLC required, the population before the update was 3-4k players, this instantly dropped down to 1.8k players, that is a lot of players being cut off from their favourite playlist and if it just continues to happen, that is a lot of unhappy customers being blocked off from their favourite playlist, telling them to move somewhere else isn’t a solution, nor is buying it, some people can’t buy it whether it is due to child account limitations or lack on money.
The low population in the Squad DLC playlist is due to its stupid settings. 6v6 is too small for Highlands and too big for Prisoner, and AR starts on Breakpoint is unbelievably bad. Not to mention there’s no TU settings.
If the DLC sales are poor, you dont just shrug your shoulders and say, oh well, they didnt sell.
Why didnt they sell? Theres no incentive to buy them, geee, I can play 6 v 6 AR starts over 4 maps over and over again. In any game, purely DLC never have strong numbers because its the same 2, or 4 maps over and over. People want to mix old and new. Lets say my favorite playlist, MLG became DLC required, I might say, “hey, I might buy those maps so I can play in that playlist”. You just earned $10.
We arent saying change them all. There are 20 slots for Reach playlists (dont count anniv). Make 3 DLC required, thats only 15%. Suddenly, you have a reason to buy DLC.
Not only does that mean that the DLC users have more playlists to see the new maps, but with the increased purchase of DLC, you eventually see them in non required playlists. Knowing that I see these maps I paid for means I know my purchase was worthwhile, and I will buy again. This is why Defiant sold so poorly, noble DLC was in 1 or 2 playlists.
Now, if you complain and say “But I paid $60 to play MP, I shouldnt pay more”. Well, there certainly wasnt 17 playlists when the game came out, you didnt complain when more got added. Let DLC users have AT THE MOST 3! You get 17, I get 3 for paying money. Everyone wins.
It worked a treat in Halo 3. DLC was popular, and playlists were better as more maps were used in rotation.