Can we all agree that the SAW needs to go?

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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from MP(though not from forge so you can use it in custom games)

With all the debating going on i figured it would be nice to have one topic we could agree on. I enjoy it, it’s a fun weapon, but it’s ridiculously overpowered as it stands in MP.

I know having extremely powerful weapons is nothing new such as the sniper and rocket launcher, but those weapons take skill and precision to use, so the sniper for instance isn’t just a BR that does more damage. The SAW on the other hand, is basically a god-tiered assault riffle with no drawbacks, it’s not harder to aim, it’s not more limited with ammo, it’s completely OP in it’s current state.

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That is the idea an over powering weapon that does not explode and doesn’t need to be shoot from far away.

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The SAW won’t need to go if there’s no personal ordinance. Though I do think it shouldn’t be a weapon that spawns in bases in Dominion either.

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It’s a powerful tool in the hands of a skilled operator, but otherwise it’s fine. I believe it solely depends on who uses it. Every time I get the SAW in personal ordnance, I get like one kill but that’s it. Of course there are times where I wreck house with it, but those moments are few and far between. I’m sure there are others who can agree.

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The only negative side in using it is reloading. Which is good.
They could maybe put less ammo in it.

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> That is the idea an over powering weapon that does not explode and doesn’t need to be shoot from far away.

That’s the point, it’s a crappy idea. Having a power weapon that dominates at all ranges with very little skill requirement. I can guarantee you will never see this gun in competitive settings, not even as a pickup.

What downside does it even have?
-Giant ammo pool.
-Very good accuracy if fired properly.
-High damage per second.

Doesn’t need to be removed from the game entirely, but definitely shouldn’t be prominent in matchmaking.

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The SAW’s damage is fine, but its DPS is too much. The RoF needs to be lowered.

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I think it should only be a weapon pickup on certain maps but even then it might still be very overpowered. I do like your idea however. I think they should bring back many weapons from previous games but reserve some of them for specific maps or gametypes.

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The idea of a weapon like the SAW isn’t in and of itself a bad idea. Mechanics-wise, it can fit in the sandbox. The issue is balancing it. The SAW doesn’t need to be removed, just rebalanced.

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It can’t go! When I get a hold of it I feel like a skilled player!

Na, just joking. It should be rebalanced and reintroduced. Maybe with a nice box shaped magazine. :slight_smile:

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> > That is the idea an over powering weapon that does not explode and doesn’t need to be shoot from far away.
>
> That’s the point, it’s a crappy idea. Having a power weapon that dominates at all ranges with very little skill requirement. I can guarantee you will never see this gun in competitive settings, not even as a pickup.
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> What downside does it even have?
> -Giant ammo pool.
> -Very good accuracy if fired properly.
> -High damage per second.
>
> Doesn’t need to be removed from the game entirely, but definitely shouldn’t be prominent in matchmaking.

This.

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> That’s the point, it’s a crappy idea. Having a power weapon that dominates at all ranges with very little skill requirement. I can guarantee <mark>you will never see this gun in competitive settings</mark>, not even as a pickup.

Personally, I’ve never understood how the Rocket Launcher made it into competitive 4v4 settings. So, who knows.

I think weapons with the power and skill/effect ratio like the SAW or Rockets belong in playlists with bigger player counts, and in case of the latter where vehicles are involved as well.
Otherwise I think it is just gamebreaking.

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why is it, that the question is allways “Should something go completely?”?

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For once, I’d like all the weapons to act pretty much the same in the next iteration of Halo, rather than change again. Yeah, the SAW is pretty powerful, but I was under the impression this was a sci-fi universe that could have powerful weapons so…what I’m saying is, for the sake of consistency of the story and the timeline 343’s trying to establish with technology, leave the gun be. Now, if they would give us back all the other weapons from other Halo’s, I’d be all for that.

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Disagree, the SAW is one of my favorite (of very few) things about Halo 4. I do think both initial and max ammo capacities should be halved for the sake of skillfulness and to keep people from dominating perpetually with it, because as it stands, similar to classic high-tier power weapons such as rockets, the average player simply has to wait for a SAW user to run out of ammo in order for the fight to become balanced again, as challenging is typically an unwise decision.

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The SAW was fine before they buffed it last year with the weapon tune update.

It was already a powerful weapon, but after the buff, it’s simply a killing machine. It’s ridiculous. I still cannot see why they buffed it.

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I disagree. I think it should stay. However, I do agree it is a bit OP. I think they just have to change its mechanics a bit.

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[/li]- Map Pick Up

  • Slightly reduced accuracy
  • non-paper vehicles

This should generally bring it more into line.

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I like the saw but it is a little op. I’d like to see it be an on map pickup only (along with all power weapons) with less ammo and long respawn time.

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I think the spectacular problem with the SAW isn’t its large ammo capacity, nor its high damage…

It’s the fact that the weapon is effective in almost all ranges that really contributes to its magnificent imbalance.

With that being said, tone down its accuracy so that it’s only effective at close range and give it shot acceleration to make burst firing more difficult and thus adding a skill-gap for using the weapon beyond close range.