Can Spartans [TOPIC LOCKED]

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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Edit 7: Alright, considering that most people simply wish to insult me, and consider the topic so ridiculous that they don’t stop to actually think about it [barring a couple of people], I’m just going to edit the title so that it says [LOCKED]. There are just far too many non-constructive posts here by people I frequently see when discussing Sprint, and others, so hopefully I can make a different thread, approaching this backwards-sprinting topic from a different angle. This one is beyond redemption at this point, and hopefully it’s because I didn’t clearly show my reasoning in the OP, rather than it being a general problem with this community. It’s a pity that I don’t know of any actual way that an OP can lock their own thread when it gets out of hand, without becoming a Monitor, or asking one to do so.

So, I was wondering. What prevents a Spartan from sprinting away whilst looking behind them? For that matter, what prevents a Spartan from firing their weapon when they’re sprinting/clambering/using thruster pack, etc, when their finger is always on the trigger?

I’ve already made another thread explaining my reasoning for this, as well as many other things, but I’d like to hear your opinion, without you having to wade through a wall of text first.

Edit: Look up backwards running. It’s a thing. Seriously.

Edit 2: Carbide Ceramic Ossification. Muscular Enhancement Injections. Catalytic Thyroid Implant. Occipital Capillary Reversal. Superconducting Fibrification of Neural Dendrites. Spartans are more than human.

Edit 3: I can backwards run [more of a jog, actually] without tripping up over myself. When I run with a torch [flashlight] in my hand, or climb a ladder with a torch, I have no problems keeping the light aimed in front of me. I can also aim the light behind me. Are you telling me that none of you can do this!?

Edit 4: Is there anything wrong with Spartans sprinting away, whilst turning their head to look behind them? Or not turning their head and using the camera on their weapon to see behind them? Sure, it’s dumb and you could crash into things–but is it any less dumb than turning your back on the enemy? Or walking backwards whilst firing at the enemy in classic Halo? You can’t see anything behind you then, either. Actually sprinting/running backwards might be the least plausible out of all of these, but I don’t see why it should be considered impossible for a super-soldier cyborg in power-armour with energy shields who is saving the galaxy from aliens and space zombies and giant hula hoops with BFGs, whilst there is the constant presence of a digital blue computer lady with a serious lack of dress sense in your head. Come on, are you really telling me that sprinting/running backwards is the craziest thing you’ve heard all day?

Edit 5: So, you are all focused on the title, where I give the suggestion of actually running backwards. Did any of you actually consider, y’know, that in my OP I was actually asking if a Spartan could turn around, run away whilst having their head turned to look behind them, and their weapon pointing behind them and being able to shoot at an enemy behind them? Hello?
Edit 6: In Gears of War, players can sprint. You can charge towards an enemy with a shotgun or other close-ranged weapon, and kill them. Do you know why this isn’t a problem in Gears of War? Because players can carry three weapons, plus grenades. 95% of the time in Gears of War, you have some one-shot, close ranged weapon–whether it’s a sniper or a shotgun or a chainsaw gun [default weapon]. You don’t have to run away.

In Halo 5, players can Sprint forwards, but 95% of the time, players don’t have a one-shot weapon available. They have battle rifles, or pistols, or assault rifles, or SMGs, or carbines, or DMRs. See the problem? If one person has an Energy Sword or Shotgun, or uses Spartan Charge, you have no defense. You can’t even back up and maintain your distance like in Halo 3. You all like to talk about “balance,” so sprinting backwards is one easy, feasible way of doing so.

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Sprinting backwards is difficult because you don’t see what’s behind you. Shooting while sprinting or using thrusters is factible, but while clambering your character moves the gun so you aren’t aiming in front of you.

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> Sprinting backwards is difficult because you don’t see what’s behind you. Shooting while sprinting or using thrusters is factible, but while clambering your character moves the gun so you aren’t aiming in front of you.

Let me just edit that. “Moving backwards is difficult, because you don’t see what’s behind you.”

Is there a reason why Spartans in power-armour need to point their weapon in a useless direction whilst clambering? I think they could manage aiming and climbing at the same time. They are super-soldiers, after all.

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Do you have any idea how silly your title just sounds, let alone how it would even work?

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There’s a difference between not being able to do something because you’re not a super soldier, and not being able to do something because you’re human.

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> Do you have any idea how silly your title just sounds, let alone how it would even work?

Yes, and yes. Next question?

Oh, whilst you’re thinking, look up backwards running. It’s a thing. People do it. There’s official races in the UK.

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Yeah, if I end up sprinting backwards, would I likely be falling backwards onto my -Yoink- because of how physics of attempting to sprint would cause?

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-11052460With practice, you wouldn’t. Start by practicing walking backwards. Progress to running. Progress to Sprinting. Compete in an official backwards-running race.

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> There’s a difference between not being able to do something because you’re not a super soldier, and not being able to do something because you’re human.

Spartans are more than human.

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They are still restricted by the mechanical limitations of a Human because they are based upon Humans. Knees don’t work the way that you think they do.

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> They are still restricted by the mechanical limitations of a Human because they are based upon Humans. Knees don’t work the way that you think they do.

Considering that there are official backwards-running races in the UK, and apparently China has been doing backwards-running for centuries, knees do work the way I think they do. I only just found out about this a few minutes before creating this thread.

Ye gods, people. You don’t live in a video game. You can walk backwards. You can walk sideways. You can also run backwards and sideways with practice. It’s not like we’re designed like crabs–only able to walk in one direction.

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> > Sprinting backwards is difficult because you don’t see what’s behind you. Shooting while sprinting or using thrusters is factible, but while clambering your character moves the gun so you aren’t aiming in front of you.
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During the clamber animation, the spartan uses the left hand to grab the ledge and the right hand holds the weapon aiming up.

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Yes, and…? Is there a reason why it has to point upwards? Even when an enemy is right in front of them? How about this, you try clambering, and see what happens, because I can clamber with one hand and keep something pointed in front of me. It’s difficult, but possible. For superhuman Spartans, it should be a breeze.

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I’m not meaning that they aren’t able to do it, just that the animation is already done, so they would have to change it.
And shooting a sniper rifle or a rocket launcher with one hand while clambering seems a bit suicidal due to recoil.

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But to sprint in reverse? There’s a limit as to how efficient a certain design for locomotion can be for certain movements.

Did you by chance read a lot of Footrot Flats? I’ve seen you post “ye gods” quite liberally as of late. :stuck_out_tongue:

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It’s obviously because of gameplay balance.

Sprint is an ability to get somewhere not getting away from something. Contrary to popular belief Sprint isn’t a good tool to get out of trouble (to escape) if you face someone directly because you’re long dead before you can turn around and sprint away.

And now imagine being able to shoot while sprinting… that would completely destroy the slow-paced combat of Halo as it would be a great disadvantage not to sprint all the time.

Same thing with clamber… if you could shoot while clambering this could be easily abused – constantly climbing up at the same spot to make yourself a small target.

Thruster… it’s about making a choice. Is the short distraction worth it?
Now imagine if you knew the direction of the thrust AND could shoot at the same time… that would make the thrusting person the winner most of the time.
But if you thrust and can’t shoot, your opponent still has a chance to fight back if he reacts fast enough.

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ONLY if this song plays while you do so.

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Running backwards and sprinting backwards are two entirely different things, to sprint is to push all of your muscles to their maximum capacity, thus reaching your top speed. The reason Spartans lower their weapons to sprint is the same reason we do, counterbalance. “sprinting” backwards with a rifle and MJOLNIR armor on is a recipe for disaster, with no counterbalance or visual indication of what’s behind them, they would most likely tumble over.

Backwards running on a large, flat, predetermined track is different than sprinting backwards on the battlefield. As for clamber:

The reason you can not keep the rifle forward is simple, the rifle is much longer then it appears on the HUD, it would be a liability to keep it protruding in front of you while trying to clamber or vault something. If the rifle struck the surface first, which is inevitable if pointing forward, the weight of the Spartan alone would damage it.

Mind you, all of this is just a theory, have a good day.

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Ok, that’s another thing that gets me. They have until November to change it…*and they could update it after launch, too.*Recoil? What recoil with the Rocket Launcher!? Did I miss something that important!? Really!? I thought there wasn’t any. Spartans are in power-armour, aren’t they? I’m sure they can manage. Besides, most of the time they won’t be carrying a massive rocket launcher.

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I don’t know. People running a mile backwards in seven minutes seems fast to me. Yet its been done, and official races in the UK only started a few years ago.

Footrot Flats? Never heard of it. I’ll check it out. I was looking for a random short exclamatory phrase and I just put down “Ye gods!” Looking it up, it seems to have originated in the seventeeth century, and the phrase is probably the origin of the word “egad.” I have no clue where I could have heard it. :?