Can prometheans become self aware or are they always controlled by one sort of forerunner / ai ?
i was thinking if they could go rouge and be like their own faction
No they can’t because when they are composed their memories are wiped and replaced with a simple programming to function as a promethean.
Occasionally not all of the memories are wiped out, as seen in Spartan OP’s episode 5.
> No they can’t because when they are composed their memories are wiped and replaced with a simple programming to function as a promethean.
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> Occasionally not all of the memories are wiped out, as seen in Spartan OP’s episode 5.
Aw ok would be cool with a promethean knight as a leader like jul but more like decepticon like from transformers haha
> > No they can’t because when they are composed their memories are wiped and replaced with a simple programming to function as a promethean.
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> > Occasionally not all of the memories are wiped out, as seen in Spartan OP’s episode 5.
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> Aw ok would be cool with a promethean knight as a leader like jul but more like decepticon like from transformers haha
Lol that’d be interesting.
The closest thing to that though would be Jul finding some forerunner body armor and putting it on, considering it can shape to the wearer Jul would have some fancy Sangheili forerunner armor. It would make an interesting plot twist considering he’d nigh invulnerable.
> > > No they can’t because when they are composed their memories are wiped and replaced with a simple programming to function as a promethean.
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> > > Occasionally not all of the memories are wiped out, as seen in Spartan OP’s episode 5.
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> > Aw ok would be cool with a promethean knight as a leader like jul but more like decepticon like from transformers haha
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> Lol that’d be interesting.
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> The closest thing to that though would be Jul finding some forerunner body armor and putting it on, considering it can shape to the wearer Jul would have some fancy Sangheili forerunner armor. It would make an interesting plot twist considering he’d nigh invulnerable.
Like jul going around in a didact suit with covenant themed colors would epic
Partially perhaps, but what is certain is that they can be swayed by other Forerunners (the Librarian took control of the Knights from Didact, years later Didact took back control over the Knights). So it’s not too late for Prometheans vs. Prometheans… which is honestly a more interesting match up than Prometheans vs. Covies.
> > > No they can’t because when they are composed their memories are wiped and replaced with a simple programming to function as a promethean.
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> > > Occasionally not all of the memories are wiped out, as seen in Spartan OP’s episode 5.
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> > Aw ok would be cool with a promethean knight as a leader like jul but more like decepticon like from transformers haha
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> Lol that’d be interesting.
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> The closest thing to that though would be Jul finding some forerunner body armor and putting it on, considering it can shape to the wearer Jul would have some fancy Sangheili forerunner armor. It would make an interesting plot twist considering he’d nigh invulnerable.
Apex Armor!!!
> No they can’t because when they are composed their memories are wiped and replaced with a simple programming to function as a promethean.
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> Occasionally not all of the memories are wiped out, as seen in Spartan OP’s episode 5.
I’m pretty sure you made all of that up. As I understood it, the whole point is that they RETAIN their memories.
They, apparently, don’t have free will, though.
Well, it’s been 100,000 years, and they didn’t seem very self aware when Chief encountered them.
It would be a cool idea though. They’d probably still wind up fighting the Flood anyway haha
> > No they can’t because when they are composed their memories are wiped and replaced with a simple programming to function as a promethean.
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> > Occasionally not all of the memories are wiped out, as seen in Spartan OP’s episode 5.
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> I’m pretty sure you made all of that up. As I understood it, the whole point is that they RETAIN their memories.
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> They, apparently, don’t have free will, though.
If they retained their memories, and even with free will gone. Their actions would be done with holding back.
Its not made up, Halsey and A.I. Roland agreed that when the “promethean soul” was composed, it had memories. But no will, nor any defining personality. Also the “promethean soul” had a AI Matrix almost identical to human made AIs.
Human made AI’s may retain some but very little memories of their host but they know it is not theirs nor is it real to them. Of course they aren’t running prometheans or kill things but same logic. Hence composing an individual to just meet the requirement for a promethean warrior it probably fine tuned to just extract the essence and nothing more. Why would the Didact want hundreds of 100% intact humans running his war machines?
So no i was not making that up.
I was referring to your statement <mark>“when they are composed their memories are wiped”</mark>
That isn’t true, because the “Promethean soul” held the memories of the person. I’m not saying they have free will, I’m saying that if they have memories, they may be aware of their own existence, thus, being self aware.
Where did it say that, and where did it say that <mark>“Occasionally not all of the memories are wiped out”</mark>? I was under the impression that the whole point was to retain their memories, and in that way the Didact rationalized that his punishment didn’t violate the mantle.
More specifically that the composers were created to allow living things to become digital and go back, but didn’t work out and the Didact utilized them to create Prometheans, who wouldn’t have free will.
Self awareness, though, is different than free will.
> I was referring to your statement <mark>“when they are composed their memories are wiped”</mark>
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> That isn’t true, because the “Promethean soul” held the memories of the person. I’m not saying they have free will, I’m saying that if they have memories, they may be aware of their own existence, thus, being self aware.
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> Where did it say that, and where did it say that <mark>“Occasionally not all of the memories are wiped out”</mark>? I was under the impression that the whole point was to retain their memories, and in that way the Didact rationalized that his punishment didn’t violate the mantle.
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> More specifically that the composers were created to allow living things to become digital and go back, but didn’t work out and the Didact utilized them to create Prometheans, who wouldn’t have free will.
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> Self awareness, though, is different than free will.
The Didact used the mantle as his EXCUSE to preserve the himself and his own species at the “sacrifice” (revenge) of the humans.
The didact hated the humans to his very core and resented the fact that the Librarian his wife viewed them with love and as the inheritors. He didn’t kill off the humans completely in the forerunner-human war only because his wife didn’t allow it basically.
The Didact lost his entire family at the hands of the war, so when an opportunity came about to exact revenge on the humans AND fight the flood, he took it and composed them violently.
The composer has different modes at composing, it can kill the victim (Halo 4) or just extract the essence (Chakas) although it is extremely painful to do so.
Well are they an AI intelligence or VI intelligence?
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I’m not sure how any of that is a rebuttal, you said the same thing as me in more detail and in different words. I said he rationalized it because of X, you said X was his excuse. That’s the same thing. I said he rationalized it, not that it was justified.
But the composer didn’t kill anyone in Halo 4, it presumably extracted their essences" just like it did to Chakas, except it turned them into Prometheans, because they were made into Prometheans. Chakas lost his body, as well (although IIRC, his body was already damaged.)
> <mark>I’m not sure how any of that is a rebuttal, you said the same thing as me in more detail and in different words.</mark> I said he rationalized it because of X, you said X was his excuse. That’s the same thing. I said he rationalized it, not that it was justified.
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> But the composer didn’t kill anyone in Halo 4, it presumably extracted their essences" just like it did to Chakas, except it turned them into Prometheans, because they were made into Prometheans. Chakas lost his body, as well (although IIRC, his body was already damaged.)
I corrected what you said, you said he did it as the right thing. He did for selfish reasons
I like to think of the promethean body as some sort of prison where the digital conscience of the acquired human lives in eternity, forced to view the work of its body. In the return of the forerunners vidoc, the creative director also mentioned that prometheans brought their wisdom and knowledge to the battlefield, so perhaps the human “soul” is used as a source of memory, while a completely different AI controls the body.
> > <mark>I’m not sure how any of that is a rebuttal, you said the same thing as me in more detail and in different words.</mark> I said he rationalized it because of X, you said X was his excuse. That’s the same thing. I said he rationalized it, not that it was justified.
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> > But the composer didn’t kill anyone in Halo 4, it presumably extracted their essences" just like it did to Chakas, except it turned them into Prometheans, because they were made into Prometheans. Chakas lost his body, as well (although IIRC, his body was already damaged.)
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> I corrected what you said, you said he did it as the right thing. He did for selfish reasons
I never said he did the right thing. I said he rationalized it by X. Anybody can rationalize things to themselves for bad, or selfish, reasons. There’s a huge difference, you’re projecting what you want me to think onto my posts. My exact words were “in that way the Didact rationalized that his punishment didn’t violate the mantle.” If you don’t understand that isn’t the same thing as me saying it was the right thing to do, I don’t know what to tell you. But, please read more carefully.
And way to answer anything actually on topic, BTW. Where did you get the idea that those in Halo 4 died, yet what happened to Chakas was any different? I’m like 99% sure you just made that up, and that it’s never been said anywhere in Halo Lore. Please correct me if I’m wrong, by showing WHERE you read that. Because I call BS.
If the mind was completely wiped, then wouldn’t the Prometheans be pretty much dumb AIs? The mind would still be there, just overwritten partially to accept commands.