If 343 can get their act together and create a much better Halo game, is there any chance in any sernario that Halo can reclaim the throne as the best shooter from COD? If Halo XB1 was successful enough it would have to compete with the likes of Titanfall (which looks awesome by the way) and Battlefield (which has had a long track record of keeping the player population high).
IMO Halo XB1 will have to be near perfect to return the franchise to its former glory since most of the community is either angry or has left for another game or is at least intending to do so.
Discuss.
If Halo can go back to its roots and be an arena shooter, I think it just might be able to.
> If Halo can go back to its roots and be an arena shooter, I think it just might be able to.
Arena shooters are dying for a reason.
> > If Halo can go back to its roots and be an arena shooter, I think it just might be able to.
>
> Arena shooters are dying for a reason.
And that reason is?
If you are just going to say that arena shooters are dying for a reason without saying what that reason is, you aren’t going to get you point across.
I think that once DICE have sorted out some stuff from the Beta, then battlefield will claim the throne off COD.
Cod had the perfect formula for current gen console, but they show no signs of progressing. Since BF has been a PC dominated game, it has been miles ahead of COD for a long time but it will only get the recognition it deserves now due to next-gen consoles.
Will halo 5 be better than COD very likely, will it be better than BF4? probably not. But that’s not a bad thing.
> > > If Halo can go back to its roots and be an arena shooter, I think it just might be able to.
> >
> > Arena shooters are dying for a reason.
>
> And that reason is?
>
> If you are just going to say that arena shooters are dying for a reason without saying what that reason is, you aren’t going to get you point across.
Arena shooters are dying because they simply cannot or do not offer the addictive easy gameplay and replay ability that a modern FPS does.
- Low competitiveness and progression system
Players can jump into a modern class based shooter with little to no experience and still be able to leave with something to show for it. You die fast and you kill fast. While it certainly helps, you don’t have to be good at the game to progress through it. You don’t even need a good team to do well as an individual either.
2.Unlocks/Customisation
The system of unlocks in a modern FPS has an undeniably greater depth than what Halo 4 offers or could really offer. There are multitudes of unlock pathways for every individual weapon. Mastering every weapon credits to replay ability and the satisfaction of unlocking a new attachment credits to the addictiveness.
Customisation seems to be the king in shooters these days.
I would argue that the difference with Halo is that you need to be good at the game to really get anywhere. Going back to the original trilogy, you are punished for all of your mistakes and rewarded only when you succeed. Whenever you die it is largely your own fault.
Halo has tried to compensate with the exp systems in Reach and 4, but it really did nothing but a disservice to the game.
It’s not hard to see why many players opt for the path of least resistance for a game more rewarding and addictive.
> I think that once DICE have sorted out some stuff from the Beta, then battlefield will claim the throne off COD.
>
> Cod had the perfect formula for current gen console, <mark>but they show no signs of progressing.</mark> Since BF has been a PC dominated game, it has been miles ahead of COD for a long time but it will only get the recognition it deserves now due to next-gen consoles.
>
> Will halo 5 be better than COD very likely, will it be better than BF4? probably not. But that’s not a bad thing.
The game doesn’t really need to progress beyond the formula, even for next gen.
As for BF4 the game felt exactly like BF3, which wont change with next-gen it will just look better.
To be honest there is no such gameplay that a next-gen console offers that older ones cannot. There’s only so much you can do in the realm of a video game with respect to modern shooters.
> > I think that once DICE have sorted out some stuff from the Beta, then battlefield will claim the throne off COD.
> >
> > Cod had the perfect formula for current gen console, <mark>but they show no signs of progressing.</mark> Since BF has been a PC dominated game, it has been miles ahead of COD for a long time but it will only get the recognition it deserves now due to next-gen consoles.
> >
> > Will halo 5 be better than COD very likely, will it be better than BF4? probably not. But that’s not a bad thing.
>
> The game doesn’t really need to progress beyond the formula, even for next gen.
>
> As for BF4 the game felt exactly like BF3, which wont change with next-gen it will just look better.
>
> To be honest there is no such gameplay that a next-gen console offers that older ones cannot. There’s only so much you can do in the realm of a video game with respect to modern shooters.
Well BF3 was the real Beta for Bf4. It may not feel different, but like you said about COD, it doesn’t need to change. It does however show signs of progression, a hell of a lot more than Cod: Bigger maps, Bigger player count (console), more weapons/customisation (but we don’t need to know about that for halo purposes), interactive features / levolution (buttons destructible environment etc.), huge gameplay map changes (i guess that comes under levolution), proper water simulator, and improved graphics on par with COD’s.
DICE said that they want the experience to be consistent across platforms so obviously the graphics have had the biggest toll, but that’s not all next-gen is good for, better graphics.
I’m not saying that BF is the best game ever, i’m just saying that its a lot better than COD. If Cod fanboys are going to realise this, then it will be with this game.
battlefield is too hard to play for the CoD crowd. the distances they have to run after each death are too great. they would rather fight in a fish bowl.
i cannot see CoD lasting much longer anyway, maybe even next gen will bring in the death of the shooters and the next “thing” takes over. could even be MMO’s for all we know.
One thing that needs to be understood is that COD comes out on pretty much anything that can play a game.
Halo is Exclusive to the XB so if you are talking in terms of sales Halo shouldn’t beat COD and if it does it is clear that Halo is literally the xbox or COD has gone down the drain.
But in terms of gameplay Halo has always been superior from True Skill to Fast Kill.
That is clear on many levels and Halo turning for a more fast paced game isn’t helping from separating the game from COD.
Can Halo be at the top again where it belongs? Yes it can
Will it?? Most likely not
Halo Xbox one/5 will most likely be a very good game and a good Halo hopefully. But there are so many kids and casual gamers now that want an easy game, and halo is not the most difficult game but it takes way more skill then COD for sure.
And from a casuals point of view, where say you play xbox twice or 3 times a week at max, and when you do it is just for an hour or 2. You would want those hours to be as fun as possible and COD is so damn easy it delivers to those casual/slack gamers.
The halo games are so much better then COD, both multiplayer and story obviously, but even thouh Halo is better, it still won’t sell as good as COD unfortunately.
For halo to be at the top again the next 2 games have to be near perfect, Halo 5/XB1 being amazing and bringing back the population it lost, and then the next game being even better. Good luck 343i i hope you can make Halo king again
Short answer: I doubt it. And I’m okay with that. MY game of choice doesn’t have to be the world’s most popular. Sure, I want Halo to be top dog again. But I care not what the masses think, so long as I enjoy it.
COD has a lot going for it, especially momentum and novelty. This will change, as it did for Halo 3. Soon, methinks Battlefield will take the crown and own it for a few years…
The FPS landscape is far more competitive these days than it was for CE, Halo 2 or Halo 3. Right now, it seems like “realistic” modern shooters are in, and armored sci-fi shooters less so. There’s an ebb and flow to these things.
After COD’s recent reign and Halo 4’s failed attempt to copy it, 343 is acutely aware of what is needed to make Halo a contender again. They’ll give it as good a shot as you can realistically expect.
I think everyone is forgetting, Titanfall and Destiny.
> > If Halo can go back to its roots and be an arena shooter, I think it just might be able to.
>
> Arena shooters are dying for a reason.
Then explain why Halo 3 did so well compared to Reach and Halo 4, which all took components of CoD to replace the arena aspect? Halo 3 was on the top of the charts until MW2 came out, and even then, at over 2 years old, it was still number 2 and was actually real competition. Why don’t we at least give arena style gameplay another chance? 343i, why don’t you make this game appeal to the classic Halo fans? If that doesn’t work, then you can say “We told you so!”
> > > If Halo can go back to its roots and be an arena shooter, I think it just might be able to.
> >
> > Arena shooters are dying for a reason.
>
> Then explain why Halo 3 did so well compared to Reach and Halo 4, which all took components of CoD to replace the arena aspect? Halo 3 was on the top of the charts until MW2 came out, and even then, at over 2 years old, it was still number 2 and was actually real competition. Why don’t we at least give arena style gameplay another chance? 343i, why don’t you make this game appeal to the classic Halo fans? If that doesn’t work, then you can say “We told you so!”
Halo 3 didnt have all that much competition compared to today where if a game isnt an FPS its as rare as a shiny pokemon. Also the audience of the older games is generally quite busy since theyve grown up and dont have the time and younger and newer viewers like stuff that is familiar to them. We hate on COD for not progressing yet condemn it happening for halo??
I doubt it.
We all know Halo is the better game.
Better Campaign and story.
Better competitive multiplayer.
Better casual gameplay.
Sandbox of unique weapons and vehicles.
Forge.
You know.
But even still, Halo can’t be king again.
Why?
People like more reward for less work.
In Halo, one must put in many hours to simply aim straight and hit targets.
While in CoD, one can jump in and immediately get a decent number of kills.
Also, Halo has lost it’s major support.
Most experienced Halo players have a strong dislike for both Halo 4 and 343i.
In addition, things like Machinima and MLG that once depended on Halo alone, have now expanded and now have Halo sitting on the bench.
MLG dropped Halo, and I haven’t seen a Halo Machinima in months.
That’s not to say the future Halo games can’t be highly popular and successful.
However, I highly doubt Halo will ever be as huge and popular as it once was.
As for what’ll be the next big thing?
I’d say Battlefield.
But I think Destiny could make everyone fall in love with MMO-esque shooters.
Modern gamers hate challenging, competitive, “twy-hawd” games. Modern gamers are also easily swayed by pretty graphics and gimmicks.
Why is the arena shooter dead? Why is the sci-fi shooter dead, even? Easily explained.
A modern warfare shooter is based around realism. People move very slowly and in limited directions. It’s incredibly easy to hit a slow or stationary target. Guns are usually, though not always, hitscan. Yeah, hitting a slow moving target with a hitscan weapon sure does take tons of skill </sarcasm>.
A sci-i shooter often breaks the bounds of reality. A player can run very fast in all directions, they can propel themself hundreds of feet in the air, and these games often feature projectile energy weapons that are also significantly harder to aim with.
As long as Halo continues to be Halo, it will never dethrone Call of Duty. But I am okay with that fact.
> At the time of CoD4 the arena shooter was a bit old and that’s why arena started to die
Age is irrelevant. The MMO is a very old concept and is still going strong. Racing/sports games are also old and are still sold frequently.
> > If Halo can go back to its roots and be an arena shooter, I think it just might be able to.
>
> Arena shooters are dying for a reason.
At the time of CoD4 the arena shooter was a bit old and that’s why arena started to die. Now it is the other way, the class/loadout shooters are getting old and a good arena shooter might be able to feel new and retake the crown as most popular.
> > > If Halo can go back to its roots and be an arena shooter, I think it just might be able to.
> >
> > Arena shooters are dying for a reason.
>
> Then explain why Halo 3 did so well compared to Reach and Halo 4, which all took components of CoD to replace the arena aspect? Halo 3 was on the top of the charts until MW2 came out, and even then, at over 2 years old, it was still number 2 and was actually real competition. Why don’t we at least give arena style gameplay another chance? 343i, why don’t you make this game appeal to the classic Halo fans? If that doesn’t work, then you can say “We told you so!”
Right now we can say “I told you so” to them. If they make Halo 5 like Halo 4 the series will be dead. They have to do something “drastic” in order to save the series, and that might just be making the game a true arena shooter. Not this hybrid thing that is Halo 4.
> > > If Halo can go back to its roots and be an arena shooter, I think it just might be able to.
> >
> > Arena shooters are dying for a reason.
>
> At the time of CoD4 the arena shooter was a bit old and that’s why arena started to die. Now it is the other way, the class/loadout shooters are getting old and a good arena shooter might be able to feel new and retake the crown as most popular.
Halo can achieve both areana and class based gameplay to cater to a large audience this allowing it to survive. It can do this by having a split down the middle between areana/classic and modern/class based in the playlists thus sorting not only the divide in the community, but allowing a variety of gameplay to be played when people get bored change over to the other type of gameplay.