Can Halo be saved?

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Can Halo be saved?

Seriously, can it? Can 343i bring people back? I don’t think its a question of can they to be honest, it’s a question of whether not they will.

(TL:DR; Readers I’m not doing that, I want you to read it all, sorry, it’s not that long anyway).

After hearing the news that 343i hired people that hated Halo to make Halo, my trust and hope in 343i is crumbling. What I don’t understand is, they say they’ll do what’s best for the community when obviously they aren’t.

I garuntee that no member of 343i will reply to this post telling us why. Not a single one will tell us why their not listening to us and why Halo is taking the ‘CoD’ direction becuase lets be completely honest 343i when we play Halo it actually reminds us of CoD…a lot.

Can I get this into your heads please. Your never, NEVER going to be able to attract people to Halo by making it feel like CoD, we have CoD for that and CoD does a better job at it because well, well…it is CoD.

Why did you have to change it? Some people said that if they didn’t add all these changes people will get bored…well considering most people bash it and the population barely ever rises above 17,000 (sometimes its 10,000) that’s been proven wrong.

Why should we play Halo 4 that has CoD elements when we can go out and play CoD which is so famous for it’s gameplay HENCE THE FACT THEY NEVER CHANGE IT! If you never made all these changes to Halo’s core gameplay you’d still have your tens, and hundreds of thousands Halo fans that loved Halo’s multiplayer.

No one can deny it now. People can bash CoD but millions of people love its multiplayer, they LOVE ITS CORE GAMEPLAY, it’s why it never changes it, yes they add things but they never add anything that ruins it’s core gameplay that’s what everyone buys it for.

Why did you have to ruin the core gameplay? Halo 4 isn’t a bad game but it’s a bad Halo game and that’s the big problem.

So 343i if you really do read these posts and you really do listen and care for the Halo community. Then why don’t you answer my question right here on this thread hmmmm? Tell everyone why, it’s not hard to answer.

But they won’t, will they, they never do and they never will. I did have hope but like many others it’s dwindled. We’ve got 343i who don’t even answer us I’d be satisfied if they promised that Halo 5 would be different and that they’ve learned from their mistakes. Will they though, you can still save Halo 343i you just need to show the community that you can.

Peace, but thanks for giving us a great campaign I honestly really enjoyed the campaign (the multiplayer let’s it down AS a Halo game).

UPDATE: What needs to happen is 343i giving us Halo’s core gameplay back (maybe in Halo 4 but DEFINITELY in Halo 5), these things they’ve added have ruined it, I’m not saying they shouldn’t add new things but they shouldn’t do it to the extent that it ruins the core gameplay and in some cases feels like another game entirely.

PS: Go to this link, it’s a topic about repopulating Halo 3 so that we can get a clear message across to 343i, so far it’s gathering quite a bit of attention (I didn’t start this I just joined it!)

HERE

UPDATE 2:

343i secretly added the red cross which lasts for 4 seconds, which a lot of us were asking for!

They are now doing a MASSIVE weapon tuning update which will balance weapons and make Halo 4 more competitive. Not only is affecting handheld weapons but it’s also affecting vehicle weapons.

Here’s a quick example: The Mantis and Warthog chain guns are receiving a 35% (it may be 25%)damage boost! Sweet!

I’m really looking forward to this update which will land on June 3rd, and I have high hopes for it (after watching the live footage of testing).

So, I’d like to thank 343i for listening to us and actually acting upon the comments and views of the Halo fanbase. It’s nice to see a developer taking into account their communities views and I know I and many others appreciate it.

I have a good feeling that Halo is now heading in the right direction, if 343i are going to make this big of a change (which we asked for) it’s a definite that other changes will follow suit.

PS: Here is the link to a site that shows the list of things removed from Halo 4 and a list of things that would be nice to have back, check it out.

HERE

Thanks.

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Of course Halo can be saved. Sure, some people may have not liked the new details that 343 implemented into Halo, so they stopped playing, but oh well. You can’t please everyone. And btw, 343 did not hire people who hate Halo. And Halo is not and will never be similar to cod…

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> Of course Halo can be saved. Sure, some people may have not liked the new details that 343 implemented into Halo, so they stopped playing, but oh well. You can’t please everyone. And btw, 343 did not hire people who hate Halo. And Halo is not and will never be similar to cod…

If you don’t agree with similar to CoD fine. But they have changed Halo’s core gameplay and that’s what’s done it. And 343i did hire people who hated Halo.

Halo 4 is a good game I won’t deny that. But we all know it lack AS a Halo game, where’s it’s core gameplay? I don’t see it and neither do tens of other thousands of Halo fans.

Like I said Halo 4’s population barely reaches above 17,000 why that may not seem bad to some people it is when you remember how popular Halo used to be, before the core gameplay started to be changed (people keep playing CoD because they love it’s core gameplay and it’s core gameplay never changes. That needs to happen with Halo).

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343I will not respond to this thread because you are asking them loaded questions.

Now if you were to ask what made them decide to change aspects about the core instead of “Y U RUIN HALO”, because honestly do you really expect a response to that line of questioning?

> Of course Halo can be saved. Sure, some people may have not liked the new details that 343 implemented into Halo, so they stopped playing, but oh well. You can’t please everyone. And btw, 343 did not hire people who hate Halo. And Halo is not and will never be similar to cod…

“You can’t please everyone” is not a valid stance to take when only less than 10% of the initial population is left. Obviously, not everyone is pleased with the game, not even half the population is.

343I hired people who hate aspects of Halo, this much is confirmed.

Halo is similar to CoD. It is not the same, but it is similar.

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> Of course Halo can be saved. Sure, some people may have not liked the new details that 343 implemented into Halo, so they stopped playing, but oh well. You can’t please everyone. And btw, 343 did not hire people who hate Halo. And Halo is not and will never be similar to cod…

Sure, they can’t please everyone, but they did a piss poor job at please ANYONE.

They can’t just implement new changes and gametypes, take out the old ones and force everyone to play their horrific version of Halo and expect everybody to just be OK with it.

For three months there was only Inifnity Slayer settings, after that it was throwdown, and that’s all we have.

You can’t turn sprint off, you can’t edit flood, custom options are terrible and playlist choices are so lackluster it isn’t funny.

You can’t just force this massive amount of change on people like that. It doesn’t work. And the fact that it has taken them 6 months (and it will be 7 before Legendary Slayer release) to even think of implementing a -Yoink- classic playlist shows that they could care less.

“Some People” amounts to roughly 90% of Halo 4’s original population, seeing as how they’ve basically disappeared (I realise there are more reasons for that, but still.)

343i did hire people who didn’t like Halo and thought halo would be better with “y input” which turned into ordinance drops and loadouts, things that there are very few playlist where we can actually get away from them.

As for Halo becoming like cod, with recent community suggestion consisting of prone and killstreaks, I’m fairly certain it could very well become CoD if 343i listens to them.

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Umm… saved from what? Sorry, but I didn’t understand, what’s the main threat for the Halo series… Maybe I’m just not smart enough.

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> Of course Halo can be saved. Sure, some people may have not liked the new details that 343 implemented into Halo, so they stopped playing, but oh well. You can’t please everyone. And btw, 343 did not hire people who hate Halo. And Halo is not and <mark>will never be similar to cod</mark>…

Already is you blind! The game can not be saved because if they try to save it they risk the game being “too traditional”

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> 343I will not respond to this thread because you are asking them loaded questions.
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> Now if you were to ask what made them decide to change aspects about the core instead of “Y U RUIN HALO”, because honestly do you really expect a response to that line of questioning?
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> > No I don’t expect them to reply, I’m not dumb, I was simply trying to prove a point is all.

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Yes. But not with general attitudes of trying to make Halo “more accessible to new players” nor attitudes attempting to make halo hyper competitive.

Yes, the game needs to have a way of training new players to be competent with weapons and basic movement… But that’s what campaign and SpOps is for.

Yes, the game needs to be fair and competitive… But we don’t have to resort to MLG type restrictions. However, things like JIP, Flinch, and custom loadouts need to be fixed or abandoned. Fixed would be prefered but if not… Lose them, they were more detriment than benifit.

JiP can easily be fixed. Just pause the game in black screen the moment a player leaves the game and stay in black screen till JiP finds a replacement. In this way, there is never a point in time where one team outnumbers the other. People will be less likely to join a game where the score is vastly different because the winning team never has the easy opportunity of picking on a smaller team.--------
Flinch is just not suitable to replace descope. I think it was said it was done because descope was “too disorienting.” Well, derp, that’s the way it should have been. The whole point of keeping an enemy out of scope is to give you more time to disengage and get to cover while returning fire. Flinch is sad. I do not feel “like a super hero” when my spartan is forced to flinch. Flinch either need to do a better job at rewarding people who return fire or be replaced with good old descope-------
Loadouts… Jeez. Reach style loadouts would be better than these custom loadouts. A set of loadouts for small maps, medium maps and BTB maps… Bam, done. No more facing people who would pick suppressor on a BTB map. Really, how is he supposed to compete with that thing? It’s nice to have a choice, but its not fair to the casual player who has no idea what they are doing.

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> Umm… saved from what? Sorry, but I didn’t understand, what’s the main threat for the Halo series… Maybe I’m just not smart enough.

The threat is that their ruining the core gameplay and it’s turned so many fans away and those fans massively outnumbered the people that still play Halo 4 online.

I don’t mind changes so long as it doesn’t effect the core gameplay, but unfortunately with Halo 4 it was. The core gameplay isn’t changed in CoD.
It’s why Bo2 population is anywhere between 500,000 and 1,000,000 (and that’s just on xbox).

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Can Halo as a whole be saved? Yes. Absolutely.
Can Halo 4 be saved? I highly doubt it.

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Apparently seagulls will make it better. I’m naming mine Scuttle.

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> Can Halo as a whole be saved? Yes. Absolutely.
> Can Halo 4 be saved? I highly doubt it.

But can it? Can 343i assure all of, show all of us. That in Halo 5 (its’ too late for Halo 4 I believe) we will get the core gameplay back?

Halo 5 is the last chance I think, Halo 4 was perhaps a way for them to test things out, I don’t know after all this is their first game. We’ll have to wait and see, I think the reveal of the Next Xbox by Microsoft on the 21st of May will be our first insight into Halo 5 if not, then we’ll be seeing it at E3.

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> Apparently seagulls will make it better. I’m naming mine Scuttle.

Hahahaha I pissed myself!

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> > Apparently seagulls will make it better. I’m naming mine Scuttle.
>
> Hahahaha I pissed myself!

You might need this.

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> Of course Halo can be saved. Sure, some people may have not liked the new details that 343 implemented into Halo, so they stopped playing, but oh well. You can’t please everyone. And btw, 343 did not hire people who hate Halo. And Halo is not and will never be similar to cod…

Actually they did here.

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> > > Apparently seagulls will make it better. I’m naming mine Scuttle.
> >
> > Hahahaha I pissed myself!
>
> You might need this.

Yep, probably.

Seriously though WTF is that guy on, I can’t stop laughing…HAHA

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> > > > Apparently seagulls will make it better. I’m naming mine Scuttle.
> > >
> > > Hahahaha I pissed myself!
> >
> > You might need this.
>
> Yep, probably.
>
> Seriously though WTF is that guy on, I can’t stop laughing…HAHA

You’re just mad you didn’t think of it first. It’s 'k. :slight_smile:

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> > Can Halo as a whole be saved? Yes. Absolutely.
> > Can Halo 4 be saved? I highly doubt it.
>
> But can it? Can 343i assure all of, show all of us. That in Halo 5 (its’ too late for Halo 4 I believe) we will get the core gameplay back?
>
> Halo 5 is the last chance I think, Halo 4 was perhaps a way for them to test things out, I don’t know after all this is their first game. We’ll have to wait and see, I think the reveal of the Next Xbox by Microsoft on the 21st of May will be our first insight into Halo 5 if not, then we’ll be seeing it at E3.

All I can say is they better have a damn beta for Halo 5.

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> > > > > Apparently seagulls will make it better. I’m naming mine Scuttle.
> > > >
> > > > Hahahaha I pissed myself!
> > >
> > > You might need this.
> >
> > Yep, probably.
> >
> > Seriously though WTF is that guy on, I can’t stop laughing…HAHA
>
> You’re just mad you didn’t think of it first. It’s 'k. :slight_smile:

Yeah I totally am, I’m so jel.