Can AAs ever be redeemed?

Can anything that 343 will do to AAs make you like them?

I personally think the idea of AAs has been ruined to me.

I liked the concept to begin with?

There was a title update, which fixed Active Camo, Sprint, and Armor Lock.

No. Just admit that they were a -Yoink- idea and be done with them.

> There was a title update, which fixed Active Camo, Sprint, and Armor Lock.

They didn’t fix them, they just made them slightly less limited. They still have no place in serious play.

No, kill it with fire.

> > There was a title update, which fixed Active Camo, Sprint, and Armor Lock.
>
> They didn’t fix them, they just made them slightly less limited. They still have no place in serious play.

At the same time MLG is using them heavily, they are probably the most “serious” players around.

AA’s are a fantastic addition to the game. They give the player a wider range of tools to use. And they are fun. Remember that? Fun?

If the ultra competitive players don’t want to use them, they can simply turn them off, but the idea that AA’s need to be “redeemed” is just silly to me.

Also, as far as I’m aware, the TU did not make any changes to sprint. They made Armor Lock a little less powerful, and Active Cammo got nerfed as well, but I don’t think they have made any changes to sprint.

> No, kill it with fire.

> > > There was a title update, which fixed Active Camo, Sprint, and Armor Lock.
> >
> > They didn’t fix them, they just made them slightly less limited. They still have no place in serious play.
>
> At the same time MLG is using them heavily, they are probably the most “serious” players around.

Not really heavily,
They only have sprint at start, Everything else is pickups, Like it should have been.

> > > > There was a title update, which fixed Active Camo, Sprint, and Armor Lock.
> > >
> > > They didn’t fix them, they just made them slightly less limited. They still have no place in serious play.
> >
> > At the same time MLG is using them heavily, they are probably the most “serious” players around.
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> Not really heavily,
> They only have sprint at start, Everything else is pickups, Like it should have been.

It seems like MLG doesn’t even like AAs all that much:

> "With the addition of AA’s to Halo Reach, MLG has struggled to incorporate them into their settings simply due to how they operate and how they affect the game. Eventually, Sprint became the sole loadout AA, with the others on the maps as pickups… all was as good as it can be with Reach. However, with the advent of the no-bloom TU and its implications going forward, we must re-examine the use of Sprint and its affect on the game.
> There is nothing inherently wrong with sprint; it’s an incredibly necessary and beneficial feature for some games. However, due to the slower killing speeds and movement speeds of Halo games, as well as the multiple respawns per player, Sprint can actually become a hindrance to the flow and pacing of the game.
> It’s not enough to simply say, “Players can escape from bad decisions when they otherwise shouldn’t,” because as soon as we added sprint to the game, it no longer became a bad decision. However, while that’s not a good reason to remove sprint, it’s in no way a defense of sprint either.
> Before I get into sprint itself, I’d like to briefly touch on why maps are designed in certain ways. The relative ranges of the weapons in the sandbox and player movement options dictate the proper spacing of elements in a map. The distance between doorways, the amount of open space you have, the cover-to-cover distance, is all designed around how a player moves and how the weapons interact. Halo gameplay, as it has always done, functions best on medium to small maps with a good combination of open space and covered areas. Successful players learn the maps and how other players move about them to accurately predict and anticipate their movements. This lends a sense of pacing and order, which is instrumental in facilitating and rewarding well-conceived strategy and actions.
> The ability of players to accurately anticipate where other players are going to be on the map based on their knowledge and experience is of paramount importance for a balanced Halo game. Sprint drastically affects this skill, making it far less predictable and far less reliable when planning your actions.
> This can be illustrated on a small scale with a 1 on 1 encounter. When one player disengages and retreats to cover, there is a switch that goes off in the attacking player’s mind which begins a process of elimination and prediction. Good players will usually be able to predict where the enemy is retreating to and select the most effective route to cut off their retreat and finish the kill. On the other side of the spectrum, the retreating player can anticipate (based on how experienced they think their pursuer is) where the attacker is going to move and create a counter attack or a different retreat pattern. And thus a game of chess is played with each engagement that doesn’t immediately end; each player using their map knowledge and anticipation to outwit the other. All of this happens very quickly; within the span of a few seconds. The very integrity of individual battles rests on the fact that players can only move in certain ways to certain locations within a specific time frame.
> When sprint is added to the equation, this process becomes obfuscated and muddled. Many would argue that this simply raises the level of knowledge and prediction required to close out an encounter, but that’s simply not the case. The issue is that the geometry of the maps, out of necessity, must be designed primarily around standard movement. What this means is that the delicate balance between cover-to-cover distance, escape routes and angles of attack is completely obliterated in almost every situation when Sprint is in play. Even if an attacking player accurately predicts where the escaping player is retreating to, sprint makes it so that the attacker will never have a chance to act on that advantage.
> Under normal movement conditions, the escaping player will need to react based on the possible angles of the attacking player and where they are located on the map. Sometimes, the best play will be to mount a surprise counterattack, fake one direction and go the other, sit and wait, or sometimes the best solution will be to just run to the nearest cover and escape. Additionally, the attacking player can force the retreating player to engage by cutting off their escape routes. All of these different options are playing out in each players mind, forcing them to make a decision and act on it. With sprint, the most viable and intelligent solution to every engagement where you are at a disadvantage is to run. There’s little the attacking player can do about it. The mind battle between the two players for positioning is completely thrown out the window.
> This issue also presents itself in the more complicated realm of a 2v2 or 4v4 team game. Even if two or more players are not directly engaged, they each are predicting where the other players are and where they could be within a certain time-frame. This allows players with greater map knowledge and quicker wits to gain a significant advantage. However, like in the 1v1 example, Sprint runs roughshod over any intelligent predications or quick-thinking reactions.
> While it’s true that Sprint does not completely eliminate this essential mental aspect, it does make it less reliable and rewarding without providing any tangible benefit to the game in return. What used to be a battle of mind, map knowledge, and execution simply becomes a battle to finish off an opponent desperately sprinting out of reach. "

I could see them disappearing entirely and them just upping the movement speed a bit more.

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No.

Burn them with fire, piss on them, then burn them again. Take whatever ashes are left then throw them in the garbage, then throw that garbage can into a vat of acid.

That’s how strongly I feel about AAs.

> > > There was a title update, which fixed Active Camo, Sprint, and Armor Lock.
> >
> > They didn’t fix them, they just made them slightly less limited. They still have no place in serious play.
>
> At the same time MLG is using them heavily, they are probably the most “serious” players around.

Actually, a lot of MLG hates AAs, including Sprint. Have you seen the forums?

They only use AAs if they are pick-ups on the maps. Not spawning with them. (except Sprint, but this is hotly debated)

After reading BigShow’s quoted words, I must ask, why do players ask for a new game that requires a learning curve, yet don’t want to have to learn new things in a new game?

I read; Sprint removes what once was concrete knowledge of map/game movement flow and introduces an element of unknowing because it removes from head-game play by introducing the ability to create moments of unknowing.

Now what I wrote may be may be confusing to some (most), let me rephrase my paraphrasing.

Sprint alone makes head-games too hard in MLG: Halo.

If AAs are too complicated/casual for MLG play, that is ok because they have the options to manipulate the settings to their liking.

I have no problem with Sprint but other AA such jetpacks and AA are the equivalent of giving power weapons to players on spawn. This on is sure that part of map control is working for that advantage but Reach the exception. Could just make them pick ups so not every player is flying in the sky or locking up on you.

Hologram has it’s uses but can be gimmicky at times. Drop Shield obvious pick up (just like Halo 3) and you can destroy it (which balances it a bit). Glad TU nerfed Camo and AL along with sword block. At least something is being done.

Redeemed? For being so awesome?

Nope. They can’t be redeemed for being so awesome.

Yes, AA’s could be “redeemed” by adding them as power-ups on the map. Make everyone start with sprint, place active camo, jetpack, evade, and even armor lock accordingly throughout the maps. This isn’t a new idea, it is shown to add some more strategy to MLG.

Everyone suggesting that AAs be burned and forgotten about are being completley ridiculous.

AAs and their predecessor, Equipment, added actual tangible benefits to Halo in letting players control when and where they could use the Power Up and in more variety of Power Ups.

The only problem with AAs is that they swung too far in extreme in Reach.

For 343 to redeem AAs they need to be map pickups and have a limited number of uses before being drained and needing to be picked up again.

I like them alot. It adds more variety to the game where I can out play my opponent with and be outplayed.

I think halo 4 should have them but make some changes.